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Old 11-04-2015, 11:13 AM   #441
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"But the WWE is brilliant! He's a heel, so he's supposed to lose all his feuds!" - CyNick
He has lost major feuds with Cena and Reigns. He lost a match against Undertaker. It's not like he's losing a program to Fandango.

Classic Internet.

How did Foley ultimately fare against Taker and Austin as a heel? How about against Rock and Hunter as a face? Spoiler alert in 5...4...3...2...1.... not well. Here's the kicker, Foley still got over. Odd isn't it.
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:14 AM   #442
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Also, I think after months and months of building them up as an unstoppable force their first loss was to The Usos and Christian on an episode of Smackdown. So they brought that to a hilariously retarded end, too. But that's a whole other topic.
The Shield could probably be headliners by now if that didn't happen.

God damn incompetent WWE!
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:20 AM   #443
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I think it's more logical booking than good. Good booking would be taking said pipe bomb and building to a match long term.Like Paige taking out the other divas she verbally eviscerated first, then taking out Charlotte. Putting her into the title picture straight away is the easiest yet least interesting option lost pipe bomb.
First, her pipe bomb was lame.

Second, why kill the whole division? At this point the priority should be to establish Charlotte as a dominant champion. Paige isn't even the biggest money match you can book. It's likely Charlotte v Banks down the line (maybe at Mania). Then if Bayley gets over, she can come in as the person who beat Banks in NXT and will do the same in WWE.

But you also need the other girls to fill the gaps between those major programs. If Paige just cuts through everyone, well then you're saying Paige and Charlotte are clearly #1 and #2 and the other girls are cannon fodder. When Charlotte v Paige is done, what do you have left to go to?

If WWE had a roster of 15-20 Divas, you could have Paige kill some jobber girls, but they dint really have that luxury.
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:24 AM   #444
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I posted this in the wrong place. Whoops.

Anyway, the RAW rating continues to drop, so they'll probably revert back to being terrible next week.
Good news is they continue to be top 3 most viewed things on cable on Monday night.
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:26 AM   #445
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My only problem with Paige is she cut that promo and then a week later recants on it and wants to be back with PCB. Its dumb, when she cut that promo she should have become a loner diva just pissing everyone off. Honestly I'd rather see Paige in a feud with Becky for a while before going after Charlotte. Have Charlotte work a good feud with Banks before BAD turns on her during the title match and have her in a program with them, then do Paige/Charlotte.
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:38 AM   #446
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First, her pipe bomb was lame.

Second, why kill the whole division? At this point the priority should be to establish Charlotte as a dominant champion. Paige isn't even the biggest money match you can book. It's likely Charlotte v Banks down the line (maybe at Mania). Then if Bayley gets over, she can come in as the person who beat Banks in NXT and will do the same in WWE.

But you also need the other girls to fill the gaps between those major programs. If Paige just cuts through everyone, well then you're saying Paige and Charlotte are clearly #1 and #2 and the other girls are cannon fodder. When Charlotte v Paige is done, what do you have left to go to?

If WWE had a roster of 15-20 Divas, you could have Paige kill some jobber girls, but they dint really have that luxury.
You have Natalya, Naomi, Tamina, Alicia Fox and Brie Bella as the lower end divas. Obviously, Nikki, Charlotte,Sasha, Paige and maybe Becky, are the main eventers.

You're not running down the division if you're jobbing out that first list seeing as none of them have been booked to bee presented as championship material.

Alicia and Brie could be fed to Charlotte to continue her Bella feud through the end of the year, Paige could feud with Natalya and then Becky for contendership while Sasha feuds with her teammates to break away. That easily fills storylines for the remainder of the year while building towards a Paige Charlotte clash at the Rumble with everyone on the roster actively involved.

What they're doing now is hot shotting a feud. Nothing wrong with it but it's short sighted and kills what should be hyped as a huge match, two NXT women's and wwe divas champions squaring off. Instead it's just rushed into. Doesn't have to be that way.
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Old 11-04-2015, 01:09 PM   #447
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You have Natalya, Naomi, Tamina, Alicia Fox and Brie Bella as the lower end divas. Obviously, Nikki, Charlotte,Sasha, Paige and maybe Becky, are the main eventers.

You're not running down the division if you're jobbing out that first list seeing as none of them have been booked to bee presented as championship material.

Alicia and Brie could be fed to Charlotte to continue her Bella feud through the end of the year, Paige could feud with Natalya and then Becky for contendership while Sasha feuds with her teammates to break away. That easily fills storylines for the remainder of the year while building towards a Paige Charlotte clash at the Rumble with everyone on the roster actively involved.

What they're doing now is hot shotting a feud. Nothing wrong with it but it's short sighted and kills what should be hyped as a huge match, two NXT women's and wwe divas champions squaring off. Instead it's just rushed into. Doesn't have to be that way.
Its tough to explain why the lower tier Divas are getting title shots against Charlotte in that scenario. Plus why wait on Paige vs Charlotte? It's hot now. As I explained there are other girls who will make for good programs for Charlotte down the line.
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Don't really get your point here.

Shield came in as heels. Dominated. Fans turned them babyface. They broke up. Have created three main event talents out of it.

Only on the Internet could you find people who fault that booking and long term planning.
I believe he was referring to them attacking Santino and Ryder.
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:15 PM   #449
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Its tough to explain why the lower tier Divas are getting title shots against Charlotte in that scenario. Plus why wait on Paige vs Charlotte? It's hot now. As I explained there are other girls who will make for good programs for Charlotte down the line.
How is it tough to explain Charlotte wresting girls from the team she's been feuding with since her debut? It's actually an way segue to extend the feud with Nikki being out.

Paige didn't officially turn till last week. Before that, there was some mini feud going on with Natalya that could've been booked for HITC. Becky and Natalya should've been first on Paige's hit list with Charlotte still dealing with team Bella in the interim.

Instead, they meandered with Paige's heel turn post pipe bomb and still had her teaming with Becky and Charlotte after running them down, only to suddenly have her turn again and attack them last week.

Again, not complaining here as I think the feud is going to benefit both girls. Just feel like they glossed over some details that could've implemented a slow burn build with some hype instead of Paige turns, wins a title shot the next week, and there's two weeks to build heat between two girls who's allegiance was muddled going into the night of the official turn.

It's just an uninteresting path to a telegraphed match.
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:19 PM   #450
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Alicia could be fed to Charlotte to continue her Bella feud through the end of the year.
I'm gonna just pretend you didn't say that.
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:26 PM   #451
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I believe he was referring to them attacking Santino and Ryder.
Yeah exactly.
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:32 PM   #452
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How is it tough to explain Charlotte wresting girls from the team she's been feuding with since her debut? It's actually an way segue to extend the feud with Nikki being out.

Paige didn't officially turn till last week. Before that, there was some mini feud going on with Natalya that could've been booked for HITC. Becky and Natalya should've been first on Paige's hit list with Charlotte still dealing with team Bella in the interim.

Instead, they meandered with Paige's heel turn post pipe bomb and still had her teaming with Becky and Charlotte after running them down, only to suddenly have her turn again and attack them last week.

Again, not complaining here as I think the feud is going to benefit both girls. Just feel like they glossed over some details that could've implemented a slow burn build with some hype instead of Paige turns, wins a title shot the next week, and there's two weeks to build heat between two girls who's allegiance was muddled going into the night of the official turn.

It's just an uninteresting path to a telegraphed match.
Agree to disagree, I thought it was ideal booking.

I wasn't a huge fan of Paige pretending to make up with them. Well rather I didn't like that Becky and Charlotte trusted her and ultimately look dumb. But that's a minor detail. Point is they got to a match with decent heat between two girls who can have a good match. I'm looking forward to seeing the match at SS.

One thing to keep in mind, the girls are rarely going to get multiple matches on a PPV. It's like the tag division, you don't see many PPV tag team programs outside the title. So in a way anything on PPV really needs to focus on the title. The TV feuds are different because they have more time to fill.
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Ppv time is just as long if not longer than tv tapings. They have enough time to feature several women's matches. They just choose not to. It's more lack of interest or perceived interest than anything else.

The title should be the primary focus but not the sole focus. They have enough depth and time to feature more than one angle running simultaneously.
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It's tough. I've talked about this before. Most months you have 7 matches on a Network Special. Assuming a Divas match and a tag match, that's 5 matches left. Hard to imagine a scenario where Paige vs Natty is worth pushing off say the US or IC title program.

Not to say it can't be done. If they had the right matches, I would be fine with multiple Divas matches on a show. I just don't think someone like Natty who is not exactly a mainstay on RAW justifies that spot. Could i see a day where Paige vs Bayley and Charlotte vs Banks matches are on the same show, sure could.
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I can agree with that.
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Why would you push off the IC or US spots on the card? They're are 5 titles, you wouldn't be pushing anyone off a card. That gives you 5 title matches and 2 non title matches. Why not just split those 2 matches into one for men one for women. Plus there is always the preeshow. Plenty of room on PPV cards for 2 divas matches but the current presentation of the Divas really doesn't warrant 2 PPV matches at this time.
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I can still pretty vividly recall the days when it wasn't uncommon to see most PPV's feature 8 matches on the main card, plus a match on Heat, and sometimes as many as 12 matches on a WM card...like x8 for example. Anybody go to that one? Legit curious.
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Pretty sure there's an unverified rumor Shishen was there. But I think that rumor's been debunked several times.
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The Shield could probably be headliners by now if that didn't happen.

God damn incompetent WWE!
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Don't really get your point here.
That's because you have a reading comprehension problem. Go back and try again maybe.
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Yeah exactly.
"Yeah exactly"!?!?!?!?!

Your response to that was seriously "Yeah exactly"!?!?!?!?!

Seriously???

Just... I.... I don't even...

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Old 11-05-2015, 08:00 PM   #466
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Pretty sure there's an unverified rumor Shishen was there. But I think that rumor's been debunked several times.
Hmmmm...if only he had a VHS of it that he recorded to upload as proof, or a pic.
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