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Old 04-07-2013, 03:50 PM   #321
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Exactly. They're being cheap with service time. It didn't stop Boston from calling up Jackie Bradley, didn't stop the Marlins from calling up Jose Fernandez. Those teams saw they had a need and said fuck the service time.
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Exactly. They're being cheap with service time. It didn't stop Boston from calling up Jackie Bradley, didn't stop the Marlins from calling up Jose Fernandez. Those teams saw they had a need and said fuck the service time.
Yeah. Those guys have the ability to say "fuck it" and start the clocks. That just isn't Tampa's bag. They know they probably have limited time with a top flight guy so they need to get the most out of him.

I know they got a great deal on Longoria, but have they been able to keep anyone else they wanted to? They trade Price this year too, right?
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Two out of three against the Yankees and then the Blue Jays. Great start of the season for the new look Red Sox. Home opener at Fenway tomorrow against the Os.
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Yeah. Those guys have the ability to say "fuck it" and start the clocks. That just isn't Tampa's bag. They know they probably have limited time with a top flight guy so they need to get the most out of him.

I know they got a great deal on Longoria, but have they been able to keep anyone else they wanted to? They trade Price this year too, right?
It didn't stop them from signing Matt Moore to an extension after he pitched 19 innings. They have the money, they just like letting people think they're broke and small ball.
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So much for the worries about the Red Sox having HR problems. Hit 6 of them today with Middlebrooks having 3 of them.

Dickey not having the knuckleball being effective is a really bad sign for Toronto. When Wakefield used to struggle early in a season, it would carry on for almost the whole season.
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I take the Price comment back, hes still arb eligible......I think.

Moore's deal was still pretty team friendly though, right? 5 years and $14 mil thru 2016 with team options of $7, $9, $10 for '17-'19. Thats not out of this world.

Trying to figure out if they've ever had a guy "get away" through free agency.
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So why don't they call up Myers and then lock him up early?
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So why don't they call up Myers and then lock him up early?
Dunno. Maybe they want to see him play a bit. Moore was always in their system (right?) so they saw him plenty. Probably saw enough of Moore to want to lock him up.
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Exactly. They're being cheap with service time. It didn't stop Boston from calling up Jackie Bradley, didn't stop the Marlins from calling up Jose Fernandez. Those teams saw they had a need and said fuck the service time.
The Sawx have so much money that its not an issue and the Marlins will have 3 fire sales before Fernandez is ready for a new contract. TB is not like either of those teams.
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Tampa's bats just can't compete with anybody in that division. They need to suck it up and call up Wil Myers. Cleveland is beating the shit out of them.
Tampa probably over-values their pitching strength leading them to assume any hitting problems are just temporary or they'd be bailed out by their pitchers eventually.

Somewhat a victim of their own success considering outside of Longoria, the majority of their success the past few years was because of pitching. Even when they lost some quality pitching, they were able to replace it pretty easily.
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The Yankees beat the Tigers, with Verlander on the hill, AND it's a shutout?!

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Well that was a nice treat. Went to the Tigers/Yankees game yesterday to see Verlander/Sabathia and all-around baseball goodness. I got a little sauced and I don't remember about 2/3 of the game but I did get to see Miriano Rivera pitch so that's something I can cross off my sports bucket list at least. Also, how the hell do you lose to that Yankees lineup. Yeesh.
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Waiting to call up top prospects is hardly "cheap". If you wait just 3 weeks into the regular season to make the call up, you get an entire extra year of service time for them. The Rays waited to call up Longoria just as they are with Myers - wouldn't shock me at all if Myers gets a long term contract not long after his debut.

The Red Sox can afford to get away with calling up Bradley immediately because they know that if he sets the world on fire, they'll still be in a position to re-sign him to his first official big money deal.

The Marlins only called up Fernandez because they had an insane amount of injuries, and even then they're getting panned. If they didn't have so many injuries, he'd be starting in Double A right now. Instead they're burning a whole extra year of service time in a season where they're not likely to contend.
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Most Mets fans are understanding about Zack Wheeler and Travis d'Arnaud starting in Triple A. First off, there are valid baseball reasons for it (Wheeler's got some command issues he still needs to work out and d'Arnaud barely has any Triple A experience) but moreover it's just not worth sacrificing a whole year of service for an extra 3 weeks in the big leagues. Not when the team is realistically not in the same stratosphere as the top 2 teams in their own division.

It's been a non-issue anyway since the Mets' catching corps has been great so far, as has the starting pitching outside of Laffey's start yesterday. Wheeler and d'Arnaud will both be at Citi Field at some point this season. Be cool if they both debuted in the same game, actually.
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Re: Jackie Bradley. I agree with Bill Simmons' summary of the situation:
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Here's the point: The Red Sox took heat for starting Bradley on Opening Day over sending him down for two weeks, then bringing up him in mid-April so they could delay his free agency for a year. And if they were Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh, I get it — small-market teams should always protect themselves against potential stars fleeing for big bucks as long as they can. But the Red Sox have gobs of money to spend every season, as well as a much bigger immediate dilemma: Their fan base had turned on the owners and couldn't have been less excited about this year's team. That left the Red Sox with two choices.

Choice A: Send Bradley down for two weeks, look like cheapskates, weaken this year's team for the first two weeks, derail his momentum after a sparkling spring training.

Choice B: Reward Bradley by bringing him up right away, get the fans excited, hope he helps the team get off to a monster start, then ride the ensuing momentum to a "NOBODY BELIEVED IN US!" season that hinges on pitching, defense, chemistry and that 10-3 start (I'm being super-duper-duper optimistic) that never would have happened if they acted like big cheapskate wusses who didn't bring up Bradley right away.

For me, that's a no-brainer: The upside (Bradley killing it and the team taking off) far exceeded the downside (losing a year of free-agency control). Let's say that decision cost them $10 million in premature Bradley free-agent money down the road … for God's sake, this is the same team that gave Shane Victorino THIRTY-NINE MILLION over three years. Do you think they care? The Red Sox just wanted to be relevant locally again for anything other than beer and chicken, salary dump trades and newspaper smear campaigns. The mere chance that the 2013 Bradley Experience could rival 1975 Lynn or 1997 Nomar made that risk worth it. So they have to sign him for $130 million in 2019 instead of 2020 … why should Red Sox fans give a flying hot damn? Last time I checked, I wasn't rooting for Tampa Bay.
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8 or 9 years in a row they've won the home opener I think.
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Not worried about Dickey yet, but sure would like to see him string a bunch of wins together.
He could start by stop throwing his fucking fastball.
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If Marty Foster would've blown a call like that against the White Sox, Hawk Harrelson would've gone apeshit.

He probably would've physically attacked him.

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