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Old 12-29-2013, 05:01 PM   #161
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Essentially, a proper "check" is a knee to the shin. I don't see how this stoppage is any different than a knee so a shooting opponent and breaking his orbital. Same deal IMO.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:21 PM   #162
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I'd say it's closer to knocking a rushing opponent out with a jab that was intended to "keep them at distance". One of those moves that is intended mostly as defence, but of course it can sometimes do damage.

Landing it isn't luck, because he intended for the contact to take place. The fact that it broke his leg was just one of the less likely possible outcomes, so some might call it luck.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:26 PM   #163
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But that is the misconception. Checks arent meant just keep leg kicks at bay, they are meant to damage the shin of the opponent. It was perfect technique with a devastating outcome. No different than catching someone with a punch and KOing them
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:30 PM   #164
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Have you ever seen Muay Thai kick boxers kicking bamboo?

The are strengthening their shin bones so they won't break as easily
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I would suggest the #1 objective of checking the kick was to avoid taking damage, which is why I called it "defensive".

Most people are understating the intent behind the technique, and overstating the "luck" of it, so I agree with you there.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:24 PM   #168
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In fighting, offensive/defensive isn't that cut and dry

The guard is both offensive and defensive

A double wrist lock (not Kimura, WAR Barnett) can be used offensively to make someone tap or defensively to sweep position
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Never heard of this knee to check kicks thing, I've done it a few times myself by accident and it has fucking sucked, seems a quick route to arthritis and shattered kneecaps.
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Reading up on it today, it seems uber painful to build up calcium to be able to do it properly. Seems brutal.
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I would suggest the #1 objective of checking the kick was to avoid taking damage, which is why I called it "defensive".

Most people are understating the intent behind the technique, and overstating the "luck" of it, so I agree with you there.
The reason you check a kick is to stop that person from kicking you. That person stops kicking you because kicking your kneie or shin hurts the kicker as much as it hurts the kickee.

The first time you have a kick checked, you rethink a lot of things, including gettnig in the ring in the first place. It hurts a lot. in some cases, it breaks your leg.

In every case, you stop kicking. It's amazing ot see a wrestler get so good so quick at checking. Carrot topping(as that form of a check is called) is a more advanced, brutal type of check. actually, it hurts less than the traditional high check.
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Reading up on it today, it seems uber painful to build up calcium to be able to do it properly. Seems brutal.

Muay Thai isn't a pleasant sport. Respect the people that do it for your entertainment.
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I'm a south paw, so my right leg is often a very healthy target for people. I used to take a lot of inside leg kicks because of that. I started using that carrot top instead of the 'traditional knee to elbow' check...motherfuckers stopped attacking my leg.
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The reason you check a kick is to stop that person from kicking you. That person stops kicking you because kicking your kneie or shin hurts the kicker as much as it hurts the kickee.

The first time you have a kick checked, you rethink a lot of things, including gettnig in the ring in the first place. It hurts a lot. in some cases, it breaks your leg.

In every case, you stop kicking. It's amazing ot see a wrestler get so good so quick at checking. Carrot topping(as that form of a check is called) is a more advanced, brutal type of check. actually, it hurts less than the traditional high check.
This is the OFFENSIVE part of checking kicks.

The DEFENSIVE part is the lifting of yr leg so it's not planted as it takes the blow. It allows your leg to "roll" with the strike
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I think #2 describes "Carrot Topping" well, yes?
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Jabba's agreeing with you Krispy. There's a slight nuance in his type than yours, but essentially it is the same.
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I just compared it to the distance-keeping jab because, while it is definitely an offensive move, I believe the defensive aspect of it is more prominent. The offensive potency of the defensive moves is what makes them a deterrent.

Nobody wants a sore shin, or a punch in the face, and you're doing it in an attempt to stop them attacking in a certain way.

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The reason you check a kick is to stop that person from kicking you.
Yes, this is why I'd put it on the defensive side of the scale.
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Even though I try not to put too much stock in bloodyelbow, this is some good insight on the "dirtiness" of the technique.

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I noticed in Browne's after bout promo that he is calling out the whole Heavyweight division, declaring that he is part of the new breed of HWs rising up the ranks.

I can't wait for him to get his shot at the belt.
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He is a legit threat to Cain IMO

The Werdum fight will be for the next title shot (when Velaquez comes back from his shoulder surgery) and I kinda see him running through Werdum.
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He is a legit threat to Cain IMO

The Werdum fight will be for the next title shot (when Velaquez comes back from his shoulder surgery) and I kinda see him running through Werdum.
I think he'd destroy Werdum and every other HW except for JDS, although I see him winning that too. A healthy Cain shreds him though.
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I dunno his takedown defense is amazing and his striking is better than Cain.

Don't get me wrong, Cain is the best HW in the world but I wouldnt be 100% with him against Browne, specially with the JDS ko.
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I think he'd destroy Werdum and every other HW except for JDS, although I see him winning that too. A healthy Cain shreds him though.
A healthy Cain Shreds anyone. Ever. In the history of humanity.
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Nah. Jesus Christ of Nazareth by way of Bethlehem would wreck his shit.
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Are you kidding me, Velasquez has the stamina of a menninite! Jesus last outing was pathetic, and his weight cut looks like it's killing him.

Still, I wouldn't want him to get that Crucifix on Cain, he'd be fucked.
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Ugh yeah. Would be a terrible way for him to bow out, hope he mounts some kind of comeback.
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I dunno man. He didn't seem into it after the first Weidman fight. Say he comes back in a year, he will be close to 40, with a year of rust and months of PT. He is rich and famous beyond his wildest dreams and his fans are still UBER loyal to him. I'm not saying he won't come back but I'm pretty sure his best days are behind him.

He is a warrior who went out on his sword so I respect him either way.
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I'd say it's closer to knocking a rushing opponent out with a jab that was intended to "keep them at distance". One of those moves that is intended mostly as defence, but of course it can sometimes do damage.

Landing it isn't luck, because he intended for the contact to take place. The fact that it broke his leg was just one of the less likely possible outcomes, so some might call it luck.
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Honestly, Weidman knows how to make Silva uncomfortable, put the pressure on and beat him to the punch. It was evident from the first round of the first fight. Silva has very good takedown d for a guy who's not a wrestler... in the first roudn of this fight he really did well in beginning fending off Weidman, he only ended up on the ground because he got drilled. The problem is, he has to worry about defending the take down and constant pressure and can't find his striking rhythm. Chris throws him off his game and has his number, it couldn't be anymore clear.

Dana was even saying, Silva actually cracked his shin on the first check, and then threw another leg kick and broke his leg. Those checks were designed to hurt, and this fight, much like the first, was no fluke.
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I dunno man. He didn't seem into it after the first Weidman fight. Say he comes back in a year, he will be close to 40, with a year of rust and months of PT. He is rich and famous beyond his wildest dreams and his fans are still UBER loyal to him. I'm not saying he won't come back but I'm pretty sure his best days are behind him.

He is a warrior who went out on his sword so I respect him either way.
I know but it just seems a sad way for the GOAT to go out, and it would overshadow the rest of his career a little as It would be the first thing you think of.
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I know but it just seems a sad way for the GOAT to go out, and it would overshadow the rest of his career a little as It would be the first thing you think of.
I have thought this before like Chuck getting KO'ed, or Royce getting choked by Hughes, but this is never the case. Now when I think of Chuck, I think of him as a dominant champ and the face of the UFC from 2005-2008. Gracie, I think of UFC 1, 2, and even 3 (his fight with Kimo).

I def see what you are saying though.
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I know but it just seems a sad way for the GOAT to go out, and it would overshadow the rest of his career a little as It would be the first thing you think of.
I felt like that too, but no one knocks Muhammad Ali for those last two losses to Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick.

Plus anyone who tries to knock the career of someone who has dominated combat sports for as long as Anderson did because he finally lost to someone 10 years younger has a personal grudge or is a moron.
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