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Old 03-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #121
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also the pedigree is a simple chest bump unless your name is Van Dam and in no way qualifies. The Tombstone is also REALLY safe. like completely safe it is as long as you're taller than the guy taking it. neither should enter the conversation of head drops.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:50 AM   #122
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Actually do it is still pushing it. There's a reason those moves don't end up putting people in the hospital and it's beyond my knowledge to explain how.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:53 AM   #123
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Because the human body isn't as breakable as.wwe makes it seem.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:57 AM   #124
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Because the human body isn't as breakable as.wwe makes it seem.
The whole point of learning how to wrestle is so you don't actually test how breakable the body is. You are already beating yourself up as it is.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:27 AM   #125
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Actually do it is still pushing it. There's a reason those moves don't end up putting people in the hospital and it's beyond my knowledge to explain how.
no idea what you mean by that first sentance.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:37 AM   #126
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I've never said head dropss are neccessary for good wrestling. You don't need Cowbell to make good music. But some people love fucking cowbellheaddrops.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:33 AM   #127
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no idea what you mean by that first sentance.
Sorry. I'm talking about the level of risk doing any move presents. Any move that has the risk of a full impact to an unprotected skull should not become so common place that it is literally done dozens of times on a single show much less in a single match.

As for moves that make it appear that a person is being dropped or smashed onto their neck and head, there are techniques that do in fact lessen impact and lessen the risk for injury. Taz was known for doing moves that, had it been someone with less skill or control, would have lead to injury, paralysis or death.

And Clox, the human body (especially the head and neck) is relatively fragile. This complaint of yours about the WWE is patently ridiculous. Your knowledge of human physiology is frightening and if I was a wrestler I'd want my partner/opponent to have some respect for my safety rather than a cavalier attitude like, "the human body can take tons of punishment, you'll be okay."

Simple piledrivers, powerbombs, german suplexes, botched moonsaults, shooting star presses, clotheslines etc. etc. etc. have lead to injuries far beyond what people would expect. If I, an untrained non-wrestler, were to attempt an actual tombstone piledriver (something I won't even do with my kids on a bed as for some strange reason throwing my kids on their heads and necks seems a bit draconian.) I would most likely break someone's neck.

Wrestling matches should factor in this risk in a way that will pay off better for everyone. When moves with the potential to do bodily harm are placed into a match the announcers should push those moves, wrestlers should sell the hell out of them and they should be rare enough that fans will actually care when they see them.

And what fans are rallying for more head-drop moves? I'm 100% certain that taking out any and all moves involving the simulation of wrestlers being driven or dropped head-first onto the mat or floor would result in 0% revenue loss. The only gain from the inclusion of these unimaginative moves that no longer impress or amaze is injury, paralysis and death. I watched all those videos and you know what? Don't give a fuck. Didn't bat an eye at the carnage. You know what makes me cringe?

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Old 03-19-2012, 01:40 PM   #128
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Complaint? They show people falling from a punch that literally glanced their forehead. I'm nit complaining. Its inherent.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:47 PM   #129
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People throw pretend punches, people sell them. It's their job.

In real life:

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People get knocked out, knocked down and sell mere punches.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:58 PM   #130
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OK whatever. I'm still not complaining. I'm just saying. I could show you an mma dude getting dropped on his head and no selling it. I've taken some crazy bumps and gotten up right away duringntraining. I've literally no sold shit that hurts. Or ran around and gotten adrenaline from it. So in that circumstance kings road would be more realistic.

Each style has aspects of realism and are great.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:09 PM   #131
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These incidents with trained athletes in top physical condition are not the norm at all, by the way.

You're confusing situations as well. An MMA fighter being dropped on his head is real. His opponent is trying to knock him out. You no-selling stuff because it "hurts" is par for the course. Pain versus injury...things can hurt and yes, pain gives you an adrenaline rush that you can use to Hulk up, but me dropping you on your head is going to probably put you down for a good while. You talking about a trained fighter "no selling" is missing the point by a fucking mile.

And no, not all styles have aspects of realism. Comedy matches usually have none and are often shit.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:24 PM   #132
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OK they still have some aspect of realism otherwise they would be a bunch of nonsequitors.

Surrealist wrestling.

Are you arguing just to argue? I see yr point that we don't have to have headdrops.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:38 PM   #133
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:10 PM   #134
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I'll stop arguing when you stop saying things that are easily shown to be false.

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Old 03-19-2012, 03:17 PM   #135
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...hard to chime in at this point. i will say strong style is way more believable than other styles (including kings road. the counters at some point kill it...anyway...) but the idea in the states is to get the smallest things over. keeps you from having to go to extreams to draw crowd. job security.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:29 PM   #136
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Our argument was more semantics I think. I understand where you were coming from, just disagree on the details.
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:45 PM   #137
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OK whatever. I'm still not complaining. I'm just saying. I could show you an mma dude getting dropped on his head and no selling it. I've taken some crazy bumps and gotten up right away duringntraining. I've literally no sold shit that hurts. Or ran around and gotten adrenaline from it. So in that circumstance kings road would be more realistic.

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Old 02-16-2017, 06:56 PM   #139
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:14 PM   #140
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:45 PM   #142
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:46 PM   #143
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:01 PM   #144
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bullshit. I've taken a million backdrops, flapjacks, germans, piledrivers etc, more than a couple Northern Lights etc and I've been dropped on my head once ever, be it training or in a match and that was a complete clusterfuck involving a new guy making a mistake under instruction and mistiming. And fucking please "a little advanced" and "wanna try different moves", you sound like fucking kids with some indy tapes and access to a wrestling ring. You are a joke and an embarrassment.
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