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Old 12-21-2016, 01:11 PM   #161
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ugh why does anyone want Cena & Reigns anywhere near world titles at this point? That's basically alienating your audience. This is turning into Nitro/WCW PPV endings at this rate with trash being thrown in the ring.
Because those are the top two guys in the territory.
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:30 PM   #162
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Cena is their biggest name and he's been reinvigorated since the move to the midcard and the US title run. He belongs and deserves a big role in possibly his last big time mania main event.
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:02 PM   #163
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Cena is their biggest name and he's been reinvigorated since the move to the midcard and the US title run. He belongs and deserves a big role in possibly his last big time mania main event.
Won't be his last time. Even if more things in Hollywood work out the way he hopes, he'll be still headlining Manias to come.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:23 PM   #164
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Ooooooooo. Nobody considered a Ladder Match for the Cruisers. Could be interesting. Nothing on there for Styles or Reigns though.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:26 PM   #165
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Cena hasn't been the World Champion for over two years now. He's gaining more and more ground in Hollywood. I think he'd be a good choice for your main event, especially given the absence of other stars.
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Old 12-21-2016, 07:41 PM   #166
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Charlotte Flair vs. Bayley Martinez is apparently the rumored RAW Women's Title match. I don't know how they pad it out until then. Sasha Banks is apparently scheduled to have a big match at the show too. I think this card is going to be too long, and as a result the benefits of getting time to shine will be diluted and distributed too far.

* Charlotte vs. Nikki Bella

* Sasha, Bayley & Becky vs. Nattie, Alexa & Carmella on the Kickoff or something. Nia Jax attacks the babyfaces after winning to "make a statement."
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Let's try this again. Card is probably still going to be too long but whatever. I'm listing the SmackDown matches first but aside from the main event this isn't reflective of match order.

WWE Championship
John Cena vs. The Undertaker (C)


I'm sticking with my guns on this one, because I'm certain it's the match they want to do - and I just can't see them not having a moment like Cena passing Flair not being at Mania. So that just leaves figuring out how to get to this match. I'm thinking Styles will refuse to give Cena a title match because he's already beaten him, which leads to a surprise Taker return and AJ having to face him instead. Taker wins the belt at the Rumble in Texas. Do they want Cena to win the Rumble or is that overkill? Let's say Cena comes up just short but then earns #1 contendership in the Elimination Chamber instead.

LOLTNA Match
AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe


This is another one I'm sticking with from my last card but admittedly it's out of hope that they don't do AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon or haphazardly toss AJ into the IC Title match. Joe debuts in the Rumble and ends up being part of the SmackDown brand. Maybe these two have a run-in backstage and AJ ends up screwing Joe out of his Elimination Chamber qualifying match? At least it plants the seeds for something. You could easily put the winner of this match against Cena in the title match at the next SmackDown PPV.

7-Man Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match
Apollo Crews vs. Baron Corbin vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane vs. Sami Zayn vs. vs. The Miz (C)


My initial plans for this was to have all former IC Champions plus Sami (who I can still see being acquired in a trade after Braun Strowman kills him on an episode of Raw), but with Luke Harper now a tag champion and Zack Ryder injured I'm putting in Crews and Corbin to fill out the field. Still not at all convinced that Daniel Bryan is wrestling, but I could totally see him booking this match to try to screw with Miz.

SmackDown Women's Championship
Nikki Bella vs. Becky Lynch (C)


I still think this is their planned SmackDown women's match despite neither being the champion right now. If Raw can hot potato their Women's belt, so can SmackDown. Becky takes the strap off of Alexa soon enough and Nikki ends up getting her "WrestleMania moment".

SmackDown Tag Team Championship
The New Day vs. The Wyatt Family (C)


I thought they'd rush through Orton leaving the Wyatt Family, but in his recent interview he gushed about how much he's enjoying it. So I'm going to be optimistic and say they roll with it for a while. I would've gone with American Alpha/Wyatt Family but now it seems they're going to need to go to that program already. Maybe The New Day do something to piss off Stephanie again, hence they get traded? This could hypothetically even be a six-man tag.

Universal Championship
Braun Strowman vs. Roman Reigns (C)


If Cena isn't winning the Rumble, then that means I'm predicting Braun Strowman will. I could actually see WWE doing it as a shock. Cena and Braun as the final two, everybody expects Cena to overcome the odds. Picks Braun up for an AA over the top but Braun slides off and just chucks Cena out. I think it would actually take the crowd off guard because everybody is used to Cena conquering the monster. I imagine Braun would take his first clean pin here but who knows.

The Beast vs. The Berg: Part 3
Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg


We already know this one is happening.

Battle of the Pedigree
Seth Rollins vs. Triple H


Ditto.

United States Championship
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho (C)


A few weeks ago they talked up the US Title being the one title Jericho hasn't held yet. I could see him getting another shot and winning it during this Reigns/Owens feud, although that's mostly to avoid Reigns having both belts as he'd probably never defend the US Title otherwise. I do hope Jericho sticks around long enough to have a proper end to the Owens storyline.

Raw Women's Championship Triple Threat Match
Bayley vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte (C)


Much like I have Ziggler getting another IC Title opportunity, I don't think they'll pass up the chance to get Sasha added to this match even after it was meant to be over between her and Charlotte. Plus, making a triple threat means Bayley can get her first title win in a big spot while Charlotte also keeps her one-on-one PPV streak alive, which seems to be a critical issue for WWE.

Raw Tag Team Championships
American Alpha vs. Sheamus & Cesaro (C)


Well, I had The New Day getting traded - so somebody has to go to Raw in return. And really, once they do Alpha/Wyatts, what else is there for them to do on the blue brand? This would be a fun match, and hopefully The Revival could join the party after Mania and we'd get some killer matches between these three teams.

6-Man Tag Team Match
Shaquille O'Neal, Enzo Amore, and Big Cass vs. Big Show, Luke Gallows, and Karl Anderson


In my last card I had New Day in for Enzo and Cass, but since they're on SmackDown now I needed to change this up. This could very well end up being a one on one match but I think they could add other people so Show would have someone to promo with when Shaq's not there. It could also set up Cass going over Show during the build or the next night on Raw when Show formally retires. He strikes me as someone who would want to put over a young guy on the way out.

Cruiserweight Championship
Kalisto vs. Neville (C)


That Kalisto for Zayn trade makes too much sense to not happen, dammit! But yeah, if you're doing it you may as well get Kalisto right in the title picture. This would almost certainly be one of the pre-show matches but they could get the crowd going.

4th Annual Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Aiden English, Curt Hawkins, Fandango, Heath Slater, Jack Swagger, James Ellsworth, Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Konnor, Mojo Rawley, Rhyno, Simon Gotch, Tyler Breeze, Viktor, Bo Dallas, Curtis Axel, Darren Young, Epico, Finn Balor, Goldust, Jinder Mahal, Mark Henry, Primo, R-Truth, Rusev, Sin Cara, Titus O'Neil

You can give 3 more spots to cruiserweights or whoever to make it an even 30 if you want. Hell if you add the entire cruiserweight division it would break the previous record for largest battle royal ever. But anyway, the name that stands out like a sore thumb is Finn Balor. I'd have him be one of the surprise guys that gets his own entrance like DDP and Shaq last year. I wouldn't announce him in advance because otherwise it'd just stand out that they found nothing for him to do. He gets the win in a good return moment and then can try to get the Universal Title match at the next show.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:09 AM   #168
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Not a bad card at all. Replace Samoa Joe with Shane McMahon and I think you have something pretty realistic.

I actually like the trade of American Alpha and The New Day. I'm not totally sold on The Wyatt Family vs. The New Day as a feud/tag team program, but I like Alpha on RAW.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:11 AM   #169
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Let's say Shawn Michaels is willing to come back for a bit of a run to give 2017 a good rub at the start. Would it be too insane to have HBK return, win the 2017 Royal Rumble and challenge AJ Styles for the Real World Championship at Mania? Styles could be a really jerk heel and Michaels can be the legend looking for one last drink from the fountain of youth. If you absolutely have to do Taker vs. Cena, you can have Taker cost Cena the Royal Rumble as a "I choose you as my opponent" deal.
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I actually like the trade of American Alpha and The New Day. I'm not totally sold on The Wyatt Family vs. The New Day as a feud/tag team program, but I like Alpha on RAW.
There's actually some semblance of a building block there as they feuded before the split and had a pretty fun match at Battleground. And that was the Strowan/Rowan version of the Family.

The only problem with this scenario is SmackDown would still only be left with one face tag team unless they decide to hold off on splitting Slater and Rhyno. Daniel Bryan being the one to sign DIY to the main roster would make a lot of sense and they'll probably drop the belts to Sanity that weekend, but I don't know how long they'll be needed in NXT beyond that.
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Let's say Shawn Michaels is willing to come back for a bit of a run to give 2017 a good rub at the start. Would it be too insane to have HBK return, win the 2017 Royal Rumble and challenge AJ Styles for the Real World Championship at Mania? Styles could be a really jerk heel and Michaels can be the legend looking for one last drink from the fountain of youth. If you absolutely have to do Taker vs. Cena, you can have Taker cost Cena the Royal Rumble as a "I choose you as my opponent" deal.
I would cum buckets for HBK/Styles.
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If they give Styles Taker because he refuses Cena, can we please have him pleading "I pick Cena! I pick Cena!" into the microphone or after Taker comes out and grabs his throat before eating a chokeslam?
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There's actually some semblance of a building block there as they feuded before the split and had a pretty fun match at Battleground. And that was the Strowan/Rowan version of the Family.

The only problem with this scenario is SmackDown would still only be left with one face tag team unless they decide to hold off on splitting Slater and Rhyno. Daniel Bryan being the one to sign DIY to the main roster would make a lot of sense and they'll probably drop the belts to Sanity that weekend, but I don't know how long they'll be needed in NXT beyond that.
Yeah, it led to that awful compound segment. That's a large part of why I would be hesitant to put them in a program against each other. Right now I still like Big E winning the Andre Battle Royal and Kofi and Woods riding on his coattails.

They could always turn The Fashion Police babyface. They are funny enough to get over. Breeze is sympathetic and could take a beating fairly well. They could also move The Shining Stars over and have them turn face. There are options there. I'm kind of sick of Enzo & Cass on RAW, so they could jump over too.

That being said, I think people overstate the need for depth in tag team divisions in WWE. You realistically only need to be building up three teams at a time with some entertaining side attractions in the division to keep them heated. On SmackDown, if you've got The Wyatt Family and Alpha as your main teams (for example), you don't really need too much else as long as you've got a few teams to feed to each side and more coming through the pipeline.
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I continue to be strangely intrigued by the idea of The Ascension having a short-term feud with the Wyatts. Wouldn't even have to formally turn them or anything. They made Konnor actually look credible in the tag team battle royal last week. The promos would be weird as fuck.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:23 AM   #175
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It's not the worst idea in the world. Not that they have been completely burnt to the ground, Vince can re-build them as he sees fit. Viktor is a good worker and Konnor finds ways to get himself strangely over. I find them pretty boring as a team, but I hate most things these days.
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They're so far removed from their disappointing main roster debut that you can almost forget about it and just randomly make them credible again.
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Just remember that we only get 8-9 matches usually. Going over 10 is probably unrealistic. Folks keep clamouring for a Joe call up and spot on the card but I don't see them giving him a spot over someone already called up. I also don't really think Shaq/Show is a lock just because Show said it was like a year ago.

Undertaker/Cena
Roman/Stroman
Lesnar/Goldberg
Styles/Shane
Rollins/Triple H
Jericho/Owens
Orton/Wyatt
Andre The Giant Battle Royal
IC Title Ladder Match (8 man?)
Sasha/Charlotte/Bailey (maybe???)
Lynch/Bella (maybe???)

That is 11 matches and I don't even think they will go that high, for the main card. I am not sold that Owens and Jericho will get a one on one. I also didn't even include a tag title match which isn't going to happen, so ... I dunno. Maybe they will do 12/13 matches I just don't see it.
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Here are my picks

WWE Championship match
Universal title Championship match
Raw Tag Championship match
SDL Tag Championship match
US Title Championship match
IC Title Championship match
Raw Womens Championship match
SDL Womens Championship match
Cruiserweight Championship match
UK Title Championship match
Pre-Show Andre the Giant Battle Royal.
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Everyone gets in a title match. Participation titles for the losers. Prestige-a-plenty.
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Just remember that we only get 8-9 matches usually. Going over 10 is probably unrealistic.
But the show is also now four hours long with a two hour preshow...so 15-17 matches is actually pretty plausible.
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This is what I think we're getting:


WrestleMania 33:



Title VS Career
Undertaker (c) vs. John Cena


Universal Title
Roman Reigns (c) vs. Braun Strowman


Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg


Seth Rollins vs. HHH


Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho


Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt


RAW Woman's Title:
Charlotte (c) vs. Bayley vs. Sasha Banks


Cruiserweight Title Ladder Match w/ multiple wrestlers
Rich Swann, TJ Perkins, Daivari, Jack Gallagher, Neville, The Brian Kendrick, Noam Dar, etc.


Big Show/The Club vs. Shaq/The New Day


Shane McMahon vs. Baron Corbin


AJ Styles vs. Finn Balor


Dean Ambrose vs. The Miz


The Rock appears


Hall of Fame inductees make an appearance


Pre-Show:


Andre The Giant Battle Royal
Dolph Ziggler, Samoa Joe, Luke Harper, Big Cass, Enzo, James Ellsworth, Sami Zayn, Rusev, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Rhyno, KANE, Goldust, etc.


SmackDownLIVE Woman's Title
Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Becky Lynch vs. Nikki Bella


RAW Tag Titles
Sheamus/Cesaro vs. The Revival


Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal
Nia Jax, Natalya, Carmella, Lana, Naomi, Mickie James, Dana Brooke, etc.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:00 PM   #182
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Nah, because an hour will be taken up with music, celebrity entrances and those cheerleaders.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:04 PM   #183
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Just remember that we only get 8-9 matches usually. Going over 10 is probably unrealistic. Folks keep clamouring for a Joe call up and spot on the card but I don't see them giving him a spot over someone already called up. I also don't really think Shaq/Show is a lock just because Show said it was like a year ago.

Undertaker/Cena
Roman/Stroman
Lesnar/Goldberg
Styles/Shane
Rollins/Triple H
Jericho/Owens
Orton/Wyatt
Andre The Giant Battle Royal
IC Title Ladder Match (8 man?)
Sasha/Charlotte/Bailey (maybe???)
Lynch/Bella (maybe???)

That is 11 matches and I don't even think they will go that high, for the main card. I am not sold that Owens and Jericho will get a one on one. I also didn't even include a tag title match which isn't going to happen, so ... I dunno. Maybe they will do 12/13 matches I just don't see it.
This year's Mania had 12 matches and now with more titles and a bigger roster (baring a Papa Shango Curse rampage), WWE could easily go it over by 2-3 matches.

All depends on how they handle the pre-show and how many of the big matches hog the 4 hour event.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:59 PM   #184
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I'm just going to say it. If Braun vs reigns and Cena vs taker are for the titles of their respective shows then this will by far be the worst Wm of all time. Making taker champion ever again destroys the credibility of said title and whoever he beats for it.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:10 PM   #185
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Let's say Shawn Michaels is willing to come back for a bit of a run to give 2017 a good rub at the start. Would it be too insane to have HBK return, win the 2017 Royal Rumble and challenge AJ Styles for the Real World Championship at Mania? Styles could be a really jerk heel and Michaels can be the legend looking for one last drink from the fountain of youth. If you absolutely have to do Taker vs. Cena, you can have Taker cost Cena the Royal Rumble as a "I choose you as my opponent" deal.
I'd like to see Styles vs HBK at the Rumble. Styles could play up how no one left on Smack down can beat him and then HBK challenges him at the Rumble. I still think the money is in Styles vs Cena at Mania. Styles refuses to give Cena a shot because he's already.beat up John Cena enough. Cena then wins the Rumble and challenges Styles at Mania to the Flair. Don't care one bit about Taker vs Cena. Would be some rushed story they would try to squeeze in after the Rumble that I have no interest in.
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:13 PM   #186
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I don't mind a taker cena match. Just not for the title.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:42 PM   #187
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:46 PM   #188
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:32 AM   #191
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I'd like to see Styles vs HBK at the Rumble. Styles could play up how no one left on Smack down can beat him and then HBK challenges him at the Rumble. I still think the money is in Styles vs Cena at Mania. Styles refuses to give Cena a shot because he's already.beat up John Cena enough. Cena then wins the Rumble and challenges Styles at Mania to the Flair. Don't care one bit about Taker vs Cena. Would be some rushed story they would try to squeeze in after the Rumble that I have no interest in.
I'd take the match wherever I could get it, but if they have HBK for the Rumble, I don't see why they couldn't get him for Mania too. I think we're building towards Styles vs. Ziggler vs. Corbin for the belt at the Rumble.
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If they're gonna do Style v HBK, why not do it at Mania? Give Styles the big match he deserves.
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:39 AM   #193
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Yeah, that's it. Have HBK win the Rumble and build to this awesome showdown.
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I dunno. I still like the idea of Taker putting Cena over for the title.

HBK and Styles doesn't need the title.
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Cena and Taker don't need the title. It's a moot point. Styles currently has the belt, so is it worth putting Taker over him at this point in each man's career? Probably not. Styles could use a win over Taker more than Cena could, frankly.
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Styles could use a win over Taker more than Cena could, frankly.
You'll have to settle for a victory over Kane on the SmackDown! leading to the 'taker match.
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I was very hopeful when Brock ended the streak. He was the right person at that time. But what they did with it was atrocious. They could've accomplished the same thing having Taker win and Brock manhandle him after the match during his yearly posedown. Cena-Taker would be insane if the streak were still alive.
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I just feel like Styles/HBK would be a great match for the Rumble to build Styles up more for Mania. Styles would be real cocky coming off a win over HBK and then be real pissed when Cena wins the Rumble and gets his title shot. HBK could stick around for Mania as well. Ziegler could finally turn heel and have HBK/Ziggler at Mania.
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I hear what you're saying, but the downside is that you're not going to top Styles/HBK. You should probably build to your biggest and best.
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