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Old 08-27-2015, 09:49 PM   #41
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Love Cena. "Greatest of all time" is a bit of a stretch though. He's great but he's not really on top of any category you could use to measure "the greatest".
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:01 PM   #42
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One big part of the rock's resume is he had great mania matches against hogan, austin and cena. For longevity purposes thats something few can say
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:23 PM   #43
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He is so one dimensional. Shawn Michaels is the greatest of all time.
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:07 AM   #44
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Cena's matches are so much better than Hogan's that it's ridiculous.
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Yeah, and it's not even close.
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If you are trying to make the claim of who is the goat by quality of matches you wouldnt have cena or hogan in your top 2 though.
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Cena's just the most complete overall package, I feel.
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There is a name missing from this conversation. A man who has been a main eventer for 16 years and has countless classics to his credits. He has been both a top babyface and a top heel. I, of course, am talking about Triple H.
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You don't think Rock has a legitimate argument? For all intents and purposes, he really didn't leave at all, even part-time for Hollywood until pretty much the end of the Attitude Era, and in that time he went from being the first-ever third generation superstar, but at first besides that fact, a nobody called Flex Kavana during his develiomental days with the company in the summer of 1996, to being "The Blue Chipper" Rocky Maivia, with goofy hair and attire in his Survivor Series '96 WWF debut. Still, he persevered and won his debut match as sole survivor for his team. He went on to many IC and WWF/WWE Championships and was molded into one of, if not the best talkers of all-time in the company's history. Rock definitely has a dog in the fight, too.

I think The Rock is definitely up there as I said. Him, Cena, Austin, Hogan, and Bruno are all in the Top 5 in my opinion. Rock was the #1 guy in the company in 2000, and ultimately faced off with all three of Hogan, Austin, and Cena at Wrestlemania. The Rock was absolute gold as both a heel and a face, and as you said, was easily one of the best on the mic. On top of all this, The Rock made it big in Hollywood.


Having said all that, I personally believe that Austin and Hogan have a little more claim to greatness. Both Hogan and Austin took wrestling to new heights.


From a personal standpoint, I was far more entertained by Austin matches in comparison to Rocky matches. Austin was significantly better than The Rock in terms of in ring ability, and his matches always interested me far more.


To this day, Austin/Bret and Austin/Hart Foundation is my favorite feud of all-time, and so perhaps I have a little bias when it comes to "the greatest of all-time." Austin/Bret was what got me back into wrestling after I had stopped watching in 1993. Austin, Bret, Owen, and HBK are my favorite wrestlers of all-time.
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It's really impossible to measure one single 'Greatest of All Time', because there's many different criteria to gauge them on.

In my opinion, the three greatest of all time, without a doubt, are Hogan, Austin and Cena.

Hogan made wrestling what it is, although, I'm sure Austin was bigger and more recognized in his prime than Hogan was (it's debatable I guess). Shawn Michaels is often regarded as a candidate for GOAT, but he was on top during a down-period. So that logic is a bit odd to measure a guy by when people use it on Cena.

Is Cena as recognized worldwide today as Hogan? Probably not. Than Austin? Maybe so. Austin in his prime was more known to non-fans than Cena, but how many non-fans really know who Stone Cold Steve Austin is today?

Did Hogan grant 500 wishes to ill children?

Did Hogan ever really do anything if there wasn't anything in it for himself? Over the last few years Hogan seems to keep in the spotlight for the wrong reasons. Sex tapes, racist rants etc.

Cena is no doubt a better in-ring worker than Hogan, from a technical standpoint, what about Austin? Austin's had some classic matches with The Rock and Triple H. Cena with Punk, Bryan, Kevin Owens and countless more. Hogan with Andre, Piper etc.

The criteria is endless.

If there was ever an official ranking or whatever and Cena scored #1, it wouldn't bother me at all. Guy has more than earned it. And for the record, I wanna see him break Flair's record. Love and respect for Flair for everything he's done, but Cena is so much better than Flair in every way. In my opinion.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:21 AM   #51
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Love Cena. "Greatest of all time" is a bit of a stretch though. He's great but he's not really on top of any category you could use to measure "the greatest".
Why not?

Has had some incredible matches. Great talker. Absolute star for the company in terms of workload, charity work, granting 500 wishes etc. In loads of movies (albeit, shitty ones). Sells shit-loads of merchandise and has been getting some of the best reactions of every crowd over the last decade.
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Austin/Bret was the best shit ever, yes.

Also, who is this Hulk Hogan guy people keep mentioning? There are no records of anyone like that on the WWE site.
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Also, I think Cena is pretty recognizable to non-fans. He's like the one wrestler non-fans know.
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I think John Cena is the perfect representation of the modern-day WWE "brand". How much weight does something like that hold over the course of their history? I think a pretty significant amount. I can see the argument of Hogan "putting them on the map", but I think equally important is Cena's role in maintaining the popularity of a product that for all intents and purposes SHOULD NOT be as popular as it is in the 21st century with so many other entertainment mediums.
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He's like the one wrestler non-fans know.
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Nah, UFC may be popular, but the average-joe on the street probably has no idea who Brock Lesnar is.
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Also, WWE as we know it is just over 50 years old. That means John Cena has been the top guy for a fifth of the companies life span. That's gotta count for something.
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Nah, UFC may be popular, but the average-joe on the street probably has no idea who Brock Lesnar is.
They know him more than Cena.
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Also, who is this Hulk Hogan guy people keep mentioning? There are no records of anyone like that on the WWE site.
Not funny. Not because what he did was racist and offensive, although it clearly was, but because that same basic shit has been passed off as a joke since like the second he was released.

No offense, guy, but I'm brgging you...PLEASE stick to your own brand of humor instead of beaten to death internet jokes. It's not your style and I personally enjoy your humor most when it's organic.
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So I was thinking about Cena and Make A Wish earlier. 500 wishes is an astronomical number. But it's even more impressive when you consider how relatively short his career has been to be able to do so many.

Let's say for argument's sake that from the moment he debuted in WWE, kids have been wishing to meet him at a consistent rate. That would mean he's granted one wish every 10.276 days.

But obviously kids weren't lining up for orange shorts Prototype Cena, so instead let's take it from his first WrestleMania, the first time it looked like they were really planning on doing something special with him. That makes it one wish every 8.37 days.

Okay, so maybe US Champion Cena wasn't getting a lot of wishes. What about his first world title run? 7.598

If we push it to the latest possible time that kids would have begun wishing for him, let's call it the night he was drafted to Raw, the moment he became The Guy. 7.47

Basically, the guy has granted one dying kid his or her biggest wish about ONCE PER WEEK FOR 10-13 YEARS. That's fucking incredible.
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Cena being basically the nicest guy ever makes him impossible to totally hate as stale as his character can be.
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It's an amazing amount of dedication. Which further illustrates that, as the epitome of a company man, Cena fits the bill. He's also not involved in ridiculous personal scandals.

Hogan had the steroid issue, his ill timed comments after his son's drunken accident, a messy divorce, sex tape and racist scandals.

Austin had a number of domestic violence issues and also falling outs with Vince over doing business.

Other than the Rock, Cena has been about as great an ambassador to the company as you can get. Incredibly clean image that the company can bank on.
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And yes, very difficult to hate Cena. I will say that he's been more than tolerable after moving into the mid card. Sure, I'd have liked to see Owens and Wyatt get a good rub from working with him, but his promos and ring work for the past year has been phenomenal.
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:37 PM   #67
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Cena being basically the nicest guy ever makes him impossible to totally hate as stale as his character can be.
I know, but when others quit I push on and keep hating.
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Old 08-28-2015, 06:11 PM   #68
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Austin/Bret was the best shit ever, yes.

Also, who is this Hulk Hogan guy people keep mentioning? There are no records of anyone like that on the WWE site.

Hogan will be back in the WWE Hall one day, lol. No way the WWE will hold that off.


Yeah Austin/Bret was tremendous, and was what got me back as a fan after a 4 year absence. That's probably one reason why I'll always personally rank Austin ahead of guys like Rock/Cena (personal bias).


My favorite wrestlers of all-time:


1) Steve Austin
2) Shawn Michaels
2T) Bret Hart
4) Owen Hart
4T) Kurt Angle
4T) Brock Lesnar


This might surprise a few people, but Mick Foley is probably close to my #7 spot. He's definitely in my Top 10. Daniel Bryan is up there as well.


Although I liked guys like Eddie Guerrero, Jericho, Punk, Benoit, etc., I didn't love them as much as most of the IWC did. They were just 'ok' for me.
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:17 PM   #69
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No savage? Thats not very macho of you heyman
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Of course cena is the goat he's outsold anyone else in merchandise he's the biggest draw consistently and he's one of the best wrestlers he's versatile he does everything
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:37 PM   #71
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