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Inator, I'm not disagreeing that the fans didn't enjoy Ryback. I'm saying his phrase was more over than he was ultimately. The reactions to him coming out were stronger because of the strong heel he was going against. And fan, I'm not disagreeing that the crowd wasn't behind him to an extent. I just wouldn't refer to his CHARACTER as massively over as much as his catchphrase was. I think the crowd supported him as much as they did because he was new, and up until that point built to be a force. I don't recall "Feed Me More" being chanted at PPV's during other main event guys matches. That's "massively" over, and imo, ONLY that would be a testament to the catchphrase as much as the character. |
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04-19-2014, 01:16 PM | #42 |
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I know, but that seems completely illogical to me. It seems to me that both him and his phrase were equally over, no lie. I guess it’s just something we’ll have to agree to disagree about since I don’t prefer a long, drawn-out argument/fight.
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04-19-2014, 01:49 PM | #43 | |
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If Ryback were 205 pounds the way he got over wouldn't be questioned. |
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04-19-2014, 04:03 PM | #44 |
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lol now 300 pound monsters are the victims of an industry that doesn't give big men a chance? The dude had a shot to get over, it worked for a short period of time and then he floundered. It's the same thing that happened to Zack Ryder, but I don't see you defending him by saying "he's only not over because of the booking". Everyone blames Ryder for his own fall, same should be true for Ryback.
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04-19-2014, 04:05 PM | #45 |
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I could get behind this idea actually. It'd be pretty hilarious to see those two buffoons jumping rope or playing jacks in backstage segments and just generally getting into mischief.
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04-19-2014, 04:06 PM | #46 |
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they dropped the ball with ryback because he was really over for a time, but he kind of sucks so i'm not bothered by it.
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04-19-2014, 04:12 PM | #47 |
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Jumping ropes and playing jacks...yep, that would be pretty neat...if this were the 1970s.
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04-19-2014, 04:13 PM | #48 |
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Oh wait, I know! Let's have a whole episode of RAW dedicated to the 2 of them solving a Rubik’s Cube!
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04-19-2014, 04:14 PM | #49 |
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The unstoppable monster gimmick is going to get over for a period of time, and Ryback took advantage of the Cena injury situation. The problem is that you can only be an unstoppable monster for so long until its stale. He has yet to show he can truly get over without just squashing everyone.
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04-19-2014, 04:49 PM | #50 |
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Would you rather they play PS4, chug mountain dew and shout YOLO and Hashtag all the time? We're talking about a business built on parodies. Them just acting like well adjusted, adult male best friends wouldn't be funny nor interesting. Having them act like moronic man children would be hilarious.
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04-19-2014, 05:17 PM | #51 | |
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04-19-2014, 06:09 PM | #52 |
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Those "900 pound blobs" as you put them don't decide who gets a push or who gets over. It's not their fault your beloved Ryback has become a joke. In fact you sound just like those "900 pound blobs" right now. You're complaining because your favorites aren't getting pushes despite the fact that they don't deserve them.
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04-19-2014, 06:49 PM | #53 |
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How does he not deserve a push? He was rushed into a feud and then put intoo no win positions? Thaanfully RybAxel will be tag champs in a month.
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04-19-2014, 09:49 PM | #54 |
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He doesn't deserve a push because he already got one. It didn't work because fans aren't the same easily impressed masses they were in the 80's and 90's. It takes more than huge muscles to get you over now. Ryback is mediocre on the mic and below average in the ring. In the Hogan era his physic alone would have made him a main eventer, but today that doesn't fly. Why do you think guys like Punk and Bryan are among the most popular? It's because the wrestling world has changed. Even the average fan is somewhat of a "smark" now.
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04-19-2014, 10:54 PM | #55 |
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Please cite one time where Ryback came out before his heel turn and after he was put in the main event scene when the crowd did not go nuts.
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04-19-2014, 11:29 PM | #56 | |
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He's going to need feuds and some sort of character depth. I've been out of touch with NXT for quite awhile, and I'm already more excited for Adam Rose sight unseen than I am behind Rusev from what I've seen in the ring. Everyone loves throwing around "vanilla midget" because it's fun to suck off Kevin Nash, but we need to understand that big guys can be pretty damn vanilla too, and a lot of them that have graced Vince's rings have been. And Alexander Rusev is positioned to be one of those as well. And once again, when his gimmick fails, it will somehow be *his* fault because the fans don't care about his look as much as the company thinks the fans do. |
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04-20-2014, 12:03 AM | #57 | |
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04-20-2014, 12:20 AM | #59 |
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Ryback was booked horribly from about WrestleMania onwards. Fucking horribly.
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04-20-2014, 12:21 AM | #60 | |
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It didn't work because he got over and they immediately butchered the way he was being booked. Seriously, even a lot of the Ryback haters here have acknowledged that. It's unbelievable that people still try to reason that a guy who was getting huge reactions and then once he started getting those reactions didn't win a major match for a year failed for any reason other than booking. He got over on being a badass the crowd could get behind to take care of the heel and then they made him into a loser. Ridiculous. |
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04-20-2014, 12:21 AM | #61 |
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I get what they were going for, but it was the wrong thing to do with him. Depth and nuance were not draws to the Ryback character at the time, and it just didn't come off right. Now that they're building him from the ground up again, he could actually become a really interesting character with a chip on his shoulder.
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04-20-2014, 12:21 AM | #62 |
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Ryback and Curtis Axel should go to the mall together and make little girls cry for fun.
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04-20-2014, 12:22 AM | #63 |
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the joy i experienced watching ryback get needlessly jobbed out was equivalent to the joy #1-wwf-fan would have experienced watching daniel bryan get completely buried at WM.
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04-20-2014, 12:23 AM | #64 |
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And then get ice-creams and laugh together.
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04-20-2014, 12:23 AM | #65 |
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Then Ryback should get Curtis Axel to hold his laptop while he Tweets something.
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04-20-2014, 12:23 AM | #66 |
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They need matching attire, too, because that's what The Best Buddies do.
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04-20-2014, 12:26 AM | #68 |
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As for Rusev, I've decided that the way I want to see them go is to have Rusev vs. Ziggler at Extreme Rules. Lana uses his business connections to get the match made and get Rusev an opportunity to beat the only man who has ever beat him in singles competition. But instead of going the predictable route and having Rusev beat Ziggler with The Accolade, have Ziggler sneak out a victory over Rusev.
Rusev is going to need to be able to survive without a winning streak, and losing to a former two-time World Heavyweight Champion that people absolutely love is no dishonor and actually gives him something to do, instead of just moving on and squashing the next guy until they find a guy to put him against that they don't want him to squash. The loss pisses off Rusev and Lana, who make it their personal mission to destroy Ziggler. They attack him during a match on the RAW after Extreme Rules and Rusev gives the fans a reason to actually dislike him, other than him being serious business who doesn't speak English. The two then have an actual feud. |
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04-20-2014, 09:30 AM | #72 |
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Ryback's ring skills aren't that bad, which is one of the reasons I like him. He was breaking out some innovative moves every week when he debuted and was having those 2-on-1 squash matches.
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04-20-2014, 09:37 AM | #73 | |
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I get your contention that Indy McKickpads becoming an internet sensation doing 80 flips and planchas per 60 minute Iron Man matches shouldn't be signed by Vince and become world champion a month later, which is how the early adopters of "the next hot new thing" tend to see him, but there are more "real life superheroes" than goddamn Superman... and Spider-Man should never be as popular as he is because he's just some skinny kid. You have to see how stupid it sounds that you're basically saying Daniel Bryan shouldn't be as over as he is unless he grows at least 4 to 6 inches, or that someone who matches what he is step for step is automatically a bigger draw if they're taller. You hate Punk and Bryan because of what they supposedly represent. Noted. However, that same hatred sould be applied to Cesaro as well. He was an indy darling, he works hard, is entertaining, has a damn good workrate... oh, wait, he happened to have genetics that let him grow a few more inches, so he gets a pass. And he should be outdrawing and out merchandising the World Heavyweight Champion right now because he is an excellent big man, right? Just being big and/or muscular isn't enough. Especially anymore. Punk and Bryan got to their heights in spite of it. Really, so did Shawn Michaels. And Ric Flair. And Chris Jericho. And Edge... and why we don't wax poetic about Nathan Jones, or Matt Morgan, or John Heidenreich. People around here bitch about Sheamus all the time, and he absolutely passes the "walk down the street/know he's a superstar" test. He can put on good matches and is pretty entertaining in and out of the ring. His height and build doesn't make him more over than Punk, who, if he walked out to the ring tomorrow on RAW would blow the roof off before he even sterted his promo. But again, none of these people have anything to do with how utterly generic, bland, and nondescript Rusev is right now. In a wold full of big men, it takes something more than being yet another big man to stand out. As much as he's being labeled Kozlov 2.0, he is just as much Tensai, without the unacknowledged past. Neither of these comparisons are good. |
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Rusev is boring. You can't bore people in the world of the smartphone.
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04-20-2014, 11:13 AM | #75 | |
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No wonder why ratings are shit. Vanilla midgets populating the roster, there's no mystique to it anymore. Nash was right. Send these guys back to the mid card. |
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04-20-2014, 11:35 AM | #77 |
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so ryback is massively over with the crowd and should get a legit push because he is huge, but daniel bryan is massively over with the crowd and shouldn't get a push because he isn't huge? what does it matter if they are massively over? while i concede that i don't like ryback at all, they should have continued to push him as a monster because it was working. the crowd was eating it up. shouldn't the same concept apply to any wrestler regardless of physical stature? there is a place for wrestlers big and small if the booking handles it properly. that is the major issue here.
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04-20-2014, 11:52 AM | #78 |
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and, on the thread's topic, the same applies to rusev. he could be over. he has the look and the wrestling ability and a competent valet. but they are booking him to be an absolutely boring generic monster. that's not going to work. he needs more than that to connect with a crowd for any extended period of time.
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04-20-2014, 01:17 PM | #80 |
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always take precedent is silly.
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