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Old 01-21-2009, 08:08 AM   #81
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LOL at the fireman outfit and how random that scene before seemed. I think the whole audience gasped.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:44 PM   #82
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Went to see it tonight. It was very engaging I agree, and absolutely fantastic for a low budget film. But I'm the same as Mackem, think I expected too much from it from all the hype I heard.
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I can see how non-wrestling fans could think this is an amazing movie because they think they are a part of a big expose, they're now in on the secret of the wrestling star afterlife... but to us who follow the scene, it is nothing we didn't already know. And, to be honest, other than bein a work of fiction with great performances, it doesn't offer anything new that Beyond The Mat hasn't given us.

To outsiders, the movie is a surprise, a revelation and a gritty, sobering eye-opener. To wrestling fans, it is just a well-made depiction of what we've already seen and heard.

Watched it with a non-wrestling fan and he really enjoyed it though. So did I, for that matter, but he was more shocked than me.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:03 PM   #84
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I gotta ask...

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Do you guys think The Ram died on impact?

I've already expressed my take on how the film ended, but a friend of mine took it that he died right there and then.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:13 PM   #85
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Highlight, as I haven't bothered to work out the Spoiler thingy yet.

According to an interview with either Aronofsky or the scriptwriter (I forget which) they claimed that the Ram does indeed die on impact, that was the implication in the build-up.

I mean, they left it open to interpretation so you can draw your own conclusions. Or maybe it was a cynical move to leave the door open for The Wrestler 2, but I highly doubt it.

As we never see it, we do not know, therefore whatever you believe is the ending of the movie to you. If you want to believe he died then and there, then that's the ending of the movie for you. If you wanna believe he kept going the way he was going, then believe that as well.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:25 PM   #86
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It was clear that he
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who would think otherwise is beyond me.
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:20 PM   #87
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I think it was clear that he
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Survived and learned an important life lesson. He then reformed his ways, and patched things up with his daughter. He then went on to try to marry Pam, but she was concerned about her son. In one fell swoop he wins over the son and Pam by writing a best-selling autobiography that changes the face of the world. He marries Pam, and with the money from the book he manages to move the four of them to a comfortable suburban home where they all lived happily-ever-after.
who would think otherwise is beyond me.
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:27 PM   #88
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Yeah he def died. I am so glad it ended that way. Like none of the unrealistic cliché stuff really worked out and he died doing what he loved.
Fuck I loved this movie even more the more I think about it.
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:38 PM   #89
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I didn't take it as 'he died'. I took at as he's never gonna be able to step away, no matter who or what it costs him and he knows that now
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It was clear that he
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survived, won the match and signed a lucrative 5 year deal with TNA
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:59 PM   #91
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You guys seriously need to bone up on your cinema. I bet a lot of movies are "open for inturpritation" that shouldn't be for you.
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:59 PM   #92
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good thing the writer "cleared it up" and proved I'm right though otheriwse I would actually had to argue this nonsense with you guys.
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Old 01-21-2009, 09:38 PM   #93
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Well, you know...

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If he had died on screen I think it may have tarnished the film a little. Even the implication that he dies following the move spoils it a little. Broken down wrestlers don't die in the main event of their big rematch on their highly promoted comeback show. Broken down wrestlers die in hotel rooms high on crack. I think a 'death in the ring' ending would have been a little too sensationalistic, a little too detached from the brilliant reality depicted to that point, and despite hardly being a fairytale ending would still have reeked of a "big Hollywood finale".

As it is open to interpretation, I'd like to think that the Ram indeed dies, as a consequence of his lifestyle and his actions, but not right then and there in the ring, but down the road, in some cheap motel. Heart attack, bish bash bosh, quite write-up by Ryan Clark next to the link *** Click HERE to see THE RAM'S HOT WIDOW, NIPPLE FULLY EXPOSED!!! She's a STRIPPER???! You won't believe your eyes!!! *** and the legacy of Randy 'The Ram' Robinson is quickly applied with an asterix and added to Marc Mero's infamous "List". The end.
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It's not him dying or living that matters. Its the fact that he was willing to die and took that leap elbows first.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:27 PM   #97
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Don't know whether to put this in this thread, or one of the other various The Wrestler threads, but apparently Mickey Rourke and Marisa Tomei got Academy Award nominations for Best Leading Actor and Best Supporting Actress. Pretty cool honor, even if neither has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the award. With all the ass-kissing over Benjamin Button, I don't see how he's going to beat Brad Pitt.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:29 AM   #101
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I can see how non-wrestling fans could think this is an amazing movie because they think they are a part of a big expose, they're now in on the secret of the wrestling star afterlife... but to us who follow the scene, it is nothing we didn't already know. And, to be honest, other than bein a work of fiction with great performances, it doesn't offer anything new that Beyond The Mat hasn't given us.

To outsiders, the movie is a surprise, a revelation and a gritty, sobering eye-opener. To wrestling fans, it is just a well-made depiction of what we've already seen and heard.

Watched it with a non-wrestling fan and he really enjoyed it though. So did I, for that matter, but he was more shocked than me.

I dont think it was trying to be anything like Beyond the Mat. It barely even had any wrestling in it that I would classify it trying to show behind the scenens of how wrestling works.
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I didn't say it was like Beyond The Mat. I'm saying Beyond The Mat and its kind have already exposed to us, the wrestling fans, most of the things that surprise/enthrall the non-wrestling fans with this movie.

And, come on, the whole Ram-daughter relationship is eerily reminiscent of Jake Roberts.

Also, I seem to be the only person who found the whole daughter storyline to be underdeveloped and grating. Evan Rachel Wood wasn't as great as a lot of people have been saying, in my view.
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I didn't say it was like Beyond The Mat. I'm saying Beyond The Mat and its kind have already exposed to us, the wrestling fans, most of the things that surprise/enthrall the non-wrestling fans with this movie.

And, come on, the whole Ram-daughter relationship is eerily reminiscent of Jake Roberts.

Also, I seem to be the only person who found the whole daughter storyline to be underdeveloped and grating. Evan Rachel Wood wasn't as great as a lot of people have been saying, in my view.
I agree with you on the daughter aspect. Completely underdeveloped and rushed.
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I didn't say it was like Beyond The Mat. I'm saying Beyond The Mat and its kind have already exposed to us, the wrestling fans, most of the things that surprise/enthrall the non-wrestling fans with this movie.

And, come on, the whole Ram-daughter relationship is eerily reminiscent of Jake Roberts.

Also, I seem to be the only person who found the whole daughter storyline to be underdeveloped and grating. Evan Rachel Wood wasn't as great as a lot of people have been saying, in my view.
I don't think most people are seeing it as a surprising expose of the world of wrestling. They are seeing it as a story, because they have heard it is a good story and that it has a brilliant performance by Mickey Rourke.

I haven't seen it yet, I hope to soon.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:17 AM   #108
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The one thing I had to explain to my girlfriend was the blading aspect.

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Yeah a girl from work saw it and she was asking me about that and some of the hardcore match stuff, but otherwise the wrestling wasn't really the point, it was a film she heard might be good.
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Slightly confused as to how

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Snorting coke and nailing a hottie all night doesn't kill you, yet a splash off the top does?
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Snorting coke and nailing a hottie all night doesn't kill you, yet a splash off the top does?
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When he saw the doc he specifically said that it was the physical exertion of wrestling that he needed to stay away from. He'd probably done so much booze & coke over the years it barely had any effect on him.

And hey, he's an old man. How do you know the sex lasted longer than the match?
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I don't think most people are seeing it as a surprising expose of the world of wrestling. They are seeing it as a story, because they have heard it is a good story and that it has a brilliant performance by Mickey Rourke.

I haven't seen it yet, I hope to soon.
I don't mean an expose of the inner workings of the business, I meant more an expose of what becomes of these big stars when they are thrown on the scrapheap.
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I don't mean an expose of the inner workings of the business, I meant more an expose of what becomes of these big stars when they are thrown on the scrapheap.
Yeah you're not quite getting the point...
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I didn't take it as 'he died'. I took at as he's never gonna be able to step away, no matter who or what it costs him and he knows that now
Same. I took it as he's never going to learn his lesson and that he would continue on destroying himself until the day he dies.
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Yeah you're not quite getting the point...
Which is?
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Marisa Tomei looked like she smelled real bad through the whole movie.
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Which is?
The important part of the movie is not the wrestling. It's about his character.

The key part about the portrayal of the wrestling was that it made the movie authentic as opposed to cheesey.... but it was not supposed to be a groundbreaking movie about wrestling or even what happens to its broken down stars from the past.

The point of the story was the Ram, you're supposed to feel sorry for him because he's a good guy whose life fell apart.
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:29 PM   #119
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Without even seeing it, I would guess it is about a man sacrificing his body and his family life for adulation of strangers and how fuckle/fleeting this can be i.e. is a washed-up sports star film.
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The point of the story was the Ram, you're supposed to feel sorry for him because he's a good guy whose life fell apart.
He's not necessarily a 'good' guy. If you think about it he's actually pretty much a deadbeat.
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