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Old 06-06-2009, 03:47 PM   #41
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Also, I think destiny had decreed that the incident will go off without a hitch, and the hydrogen bomb would not go off.
I feel as though that's why the bomb didn't go off at impact. It was course correction preventing Jack from changing their destiny.
I think Juliet living, and smashing the bomb was an anomaly. I feel as though that "wasn't supposed to happen", and it will change things starting next season.

Of course, logic would say that if the "what happened happened" rules are true, she was originally intended to live and hit that bomb.
I just got the gut feeling from the moment that something exceptional was happening, and she was doing something in which the human spirit and free will was changing destiny. There's no way of knowing that until next year though...
Call it a hunch.
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:12 AM   #42
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That would mean that everything has always happened then, including their path in 2004.

That means every detail is pre-destined and they have no control over their actions? What's the point in even trying?
You have to remember that it's all relative. In 2004 it's the present for them and they're affecting future events that haven't actually happened yet. So they have free will in the present. But by being transported back to 1977, it's still their present, technically. Those events are pretty much predetermined because the outcomes have always been and will always be due to their presence. They acted the way they did in 1977 partly because they were aware that they were from the future and they were shaping future events, but their was no real way to change them. In trying to save young Ben, they ended up making him an Other. That and every other action in 1977 is immutable. They are seeing the events in a present mind, but the events are actually in the past relative to where they came from. I don't think anything had to be course corrected at all.
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:38 PM   #43
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Not really in line with the rest of the thread but I figured I'd post this here since I haven't seen anybody else post it anywhere yet and it's been knocking around for a few days



Looks like 'Charlie' might be coming back
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beat me to that. I was just about to post that video. And i'm not respecting your spoiler stuff. If people come in here, they should already know. Its funny cause Dempsey says " you're dead! " and Dominic says " Actually i'm lost ! ".

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I think everything is gunna start over and they're gunna rewrite the history.
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ABC is saying that he's joining another series, but i'm skeptical. I think he's coming back. I really really hope he comes back and him and Claire have a better more happy ending. I have to believe that when Sun found Charlies ring in Aarons crib, in the finale, that it meant something. It was so random if not.
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Here's my crazy theory. I havent even posted this on Lostpedia yet.

In one of the episodes this season, Sun asked about the Losties in the picture. Richard says " I watched them all die ".

I think Richard did with them, what he did with Ben. I think this whole time, the Losties are actually Others. They just dont know it. I think Cindy, the flight attendant, was an Other, before the crash.
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That theory will change i'm sure. But right now, thats what i'm working with.

And Richard is my favorite charachter. If they made a spinoff with Richard, i'd watch.
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beat me to that. I was just about to post that video. And i'm not respecting your spoiler stuff. If people come in here, they should already know. Its funny cause Dempsey says " you're dead! " and Dominic says " Actually i'm lost ! ".

HMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

I think everything is gunna start over and they're gunna rewrite the history.
I think he said "Actually I was". Not sure though.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:46 PM   #49
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ABC is saying that he's joining another series, but i'm skeptical. I think he's coming back. I really really hope he comes back and him and Claire have a better more happy ending. I have to believe that when Sun found Charlies ring in Aarons crib, in the finale, that it meant something. It was so random if not.
Wasn't too random, other than it marked a realization that he had gone off in preperation to die.
He didn't tell Claire he was planning on dying. He didn't make a fuss, but him leaving the ring was so her and Erin would have something to remember him by.
Sun finding this was pretty much nothing more than an on-screen realization by the beach camp that he was off to sacrifice himself.
I don't think it was anything having to do with a future storyline, rather than it was directed at the audience. That type of device is used in movies/tv all of the time.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:15 PM   #50
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Oh man.. if they made a spin-off with Richard, following his life, I would definitely watch it. He is probably one of the most interesting characters on the show to me, because there is so much that we don't know about him. He is always so calm and confident about everything that's going on, and he's just a nice guy in general.
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Part of what makes him interesting is how mysterious he is. It's the Boba Fett effect.
If you were to fully flesh out his story in it's own television show, the appeal would start to diminish.
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I dunno.. I don't see his character being much different, and the way he acts is definitely a large amount of the appeal. Even when it's out of his hands, he always seems in control of a situation. I think seeing how his life has been would be incredibly interesting.

Then again, we might see a lot of that next season, so a spin-off might not even be needed.
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Old 06-12-2009, 03:05 PM   #53
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That's possible. I think Ben started off very mysterious. He's still awesome, but they've definitely shed a ton of light on him since his first few episodes in season 2.
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Saw a promo for Season 6 yesterday

Season 5 came out on dvd today so things are kinda gearing up for season 6.

I saw the news tidbit about William Atherton being cast in an unspecified role.
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Saw a promo for Season 6 yesterday

Season 5 came out on dvd today so things are kinda gearing up for season 6.

I saw the news tidbit about William Atherton being cast in an unspecified role.
Yea I just picked up the $75 collector Dharma Edition. It was worth it cuz that show is just amazing.
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William Atherton will be playing a teacher with ties to the whole LOST story I have read. Really hope he is called Walter Peck
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I saw those promos from comic con on youtube. Kinda give a good idea of what direction things are going after the "explosion"
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Yeah lots of interesting stuff from the Q&A sessions to read regarding season 6.

One of which I'm looking forward to, a concentrated story focus on what the story, Island and mythology is all about, flashbacks and flash forwards being sidelined for proper 'lets get down to it' wtf is going on shit.
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So do you think we'll see a lot of old familiar faces this season or do you think they'll say fuck it and keep most of them off the show?
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I think they released a poster and lots of people like Charlie, Boone, Ana Lucia, Michael and others were on it.

I dunno. I don't really want to be spoiled, but I think most of the characters who've died or whatever will be back in some form. Whether thats flashbacks or something supernatural I dunno
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A fair few people are coming back apparently; Charlie, Shannon, Boone so I have read/heard.

Its hard to decide how or in what capacity this will happen.

The first episode is apparantly in two parts entitled 'LA X' I & II, this suggests a few things that could/could not be happening. One obvious conclusion is that the bomb theory does work, and the plane does indeed land in LA, and with people like Shannon and Boone being brought back, its very possible we will see what happens when the plane lands. However, this would mean they ALL should/would land, but I doubt they will have things like Jin & Sun being reunited right at the start.

Then there's things to think about like, 'will they remember everything' if they don't and they all do land at LA, this is kinda shit because it means they have to once again get back and get to grips with what's going on, and get back to the Island once again (I refuse to believe this show's last season and story will be resolved off-Island).

It also means though 'dead' characters will be able to return, and things like Desmond will still be back on the Island already. But I doubt they will go down that route either as it will be very unlikely every single character who was part of the previous series of events will be available to film.


I really don't know what way they are going to go, but I think if anything, various past characters will return but not in a big way. I really don't know.

Alls I know is that after 6 years of loving and getting into the character of John Locke, and to have his character's beliefs squashed, finding out his destiny is nothing but being part of a game between two supernatural entities (Jacob and his enemy; Un-Locke, Flocke, the Man in Black)
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I don't feel like Locke has been squashed or cheapened at all. He was used by Jacob's enemy but that's not him. It's just a little hiatus for the real John Locke. He just used his body. He presumably did the same thing with Jack's dad for a while.

I think the real Locke will be back and stronger than ever. Last we saw of him they dumped his real body on the beach right? So we just found out that wasn't really him. The real deal will be back.
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Yeah that's another thing, he didn't actually use Locke's body, and yet Christian's body wasn't in the coffin Jack put him in, nor was his body found.

This whole business of dead people turning up is a big deal since we don't know who or what is using them as representation; when Ben told Un-Locke that Alex/Smoke monster told him he had to do EXACTLY what Un-Locke said, he was genuinely surprised, that's why I don't think the smoke monster is on the 'bad side', as he was surprised. I think the smoke monster is a kind of in-betweener tool/entity for both Jacob and Un-Locke to use or have part of their plan.

Theres a lot to get through; 'Christian' has been showing Locke what to do, for a reason, yet Jacob's cabin; someone else has been using it, and he hasn't been there in a long time. Christian could very well be represented for Un-Locke's plan to become a success. Yet Clair was obviously kept close to him, did he do that because it his daughter? or because Un-Locke didn't want her to raise Aarron? the exact opposite of what they medium told her needed to happen? making it an evil plan?

Then you have representations of Eko's brother, Libby, Ana Lucia, Charlie - its hard to gauge who or what each 'representative's' motives are.

If the bomb theory worked, then Locke will be alive, in his only body, since they never would've crashed. Unless they only take the people in 1977 back to 'present' LA 2004. Which is a way to get around it etc, and have them retain the memories of what they have been to.

Oh yeah, I also believe he has yet to be shown his true destiny, and win out in the end somehow as the real John Locke, but still, hell of a revelation.
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I don't feel like Locke has been squashed or cheapened at all. He was used by Jacob's enemy but that's not him. It's just a little hiatus for the real John Locke. He just used his body. He presumably did the same thing with Jack's dad for a while.
Obviously he is part of a big plan, not a plan exclusive to Un-Locke, as Jacob himself resurrected him.

It's just part of Jacob's enemy finding his loophole, only became a success because of the path Locke took while on the island - every time he spoke to Island, everything he did, it was for two end results - so Jacob's enemy could find his loophole, take over Locke's body, have someone of free will Kill Jacob, but also so Jacob's 'team' ('They're coming') could detonate the bomb and have his enemies presence known (Locke's body).
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If the bomb theory worked, it will have reset things for the people in 1977. That will be fine since their story doesn't have loose ends.

But the group of people in modern times on the island (un-Locke, Richard, Ben, Jacob, etc.) seemed to still have unfinished business. Things were just heating up with them at the statue. The last we heard "they're coming". I still think there's ground to cover with them in that time period. So maybe that timeline will continue to be covered, while a new "reset" timeline is explored for the 1977 crew.
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Yeah see, I get and understand that, but I don't think I like it.

I mean what will happen with Jin & Sun? Not that I care, but like will Jin just land, be on his own, just go on without knowing or having his wife? What about Juliet? She detonated the bomb, but by that logic, she will be back on the Island??! I dunno.

And just how will Locke come back?

So many questions. So much time to wait.
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I don't think their 1977 "reset" will work. It will change things for a while but I think they'll end up back on the Island and reunited with everyone. How and why that will happen, I don't know.
I just think it will be like the oceanic six. They can run but they can't hide. Something will warp them back to the reality of the island as we've always known it, with Locke, Sun, Richard, Ben and all that stuff going on with Jacob and the statue.

Of course I don't know that. It's just my theory.
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I still think that the 2 skeletons they found in that cave in season 1 will end up being Rose and Bernard.
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Yea that makes the most sense. Who knows though, it could end up being Jack and Kate
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Or Jack and Sawyer? Maybe Kate played them both and handcuffed them together? Fuck I don't want to wait another month for this. It's bad enough Heroes and FlashForward are both gone until March.
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It's a male and female skeleton though. Locke called them The Island's own Adam and Eve
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Yeah that's a old theory, with the stones in their hands etc.

It would back up an old theory of mine - that it wasn't Desmond's fault that actually bought them to the Island when he let the counter run to 0 in the hatch. It was the smoke monster, which many think represents 'course correction'. As in they WERE MEANT to crash. Also, if you listen to the sounds of wreckage falling on the Season 2 episode where the Tailie's story is told, the monster sound is clearly being heard. ALSO, I can't find it, but someone has filtered the frames of footage when Jack covers Claire from an explosion on the beach on the first episode, and it looks like the plane just explodes, but a black cloud is clearly visible swooping down on the plane as it explodes.

Maybe they do indeed simply crash again, and find their remains from the fallout of the bomb; but then the new episode is entitled LA X!?!
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I know. I don't think the show would make it's 2 leading males gay, let alone kill them both off. Besides, we have to get the satisfaction of Sawyer finally meeting Clementine and having the happy ending we know he's going to.
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Maybe they will start the season with a What If story?
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Very happy about the prospects of Clare and Charlie coming back. Kinda bummed out that Ana Lucia might come too.
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Yeah that's a old theory, with the stones in their hands etc.

It would back up an old theory of mine - that it wasn't Desmond's fault that actually bought them to the Island when he let the counter run to 0 in the hatch. It was the smoke monster, which many think represents 'course correction'. As in they WERE MEANT to crash. Also, if you listen to the sounds of wreckage falling on the Season 2 episode where the Tailie's story is told, the monster sound is clearly being heard. ALSO, I can't find it, but someone has filtered the frames of footage when Jack covers Claire from an explosion on the beach on the first episode, and it looks like the plane just explodes, but a black cloud is clearly visible swooping down on the plane as it explodes.

Maybe they do indeed simply crash again, and find their remains from the fallout of the bomb; but then the new episode is entitled LA X!?!
Hmmm. I've never thought of the smoke monster that way but that's interesting.

I don't know if they'll simply crash again but I think it's safe to say that whatever happens, they're all going to end up reunited and on the island. Whatever they do with things before that is just going to be leading up to that
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Claire just kinda disappeared in season 5 and I was like WTFH? I just hope to see Mr. Eko and Charlie. Don't too much care for anyone else who died. As long as we don't see Niki and Paolo again.
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Also, how cute that they're bringing it back on Groundhog's Day. Dunno if that's foreshadowing or what
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Maybe the tide eroded the sand and somehow Nikki & Paulo's skeletons ended up in the caves lol

Claire going AWOL, def going to have something to do with Christian and Aarron not being raised by her. I don't really care for her though.
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