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View Poll Results: Who is the better jobber? | |||
El Dandy | 8 | 44.44% | |
"Playboy" Buddy Rose | 10 | 55.56% | |
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02-19-2017, 11:30 PM | #1 |
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Better Jobber #3
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Claim to shame Arguably the jobberiest member of the jobberiest NWO spin-off. Jobber in action! vs. "Playboy" Buddy Rose Claim to shame Under the "Executioner" gimmick, was the first man to lose a WrestleMania match. Jobber in action! |
02-19-2017, 11:32 PM | #2 |
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I'm sure there will be some controversy with the Buddy Rose pick since he had a relatively successful career in the 70's/80's. But I remember him for his 90's jobbing days and he fits into the "over 25 matches with under a 25% win percentage" guideline. So he's in.
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02-19-2017, 11:34 PM | #3 |
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For your consideration...
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02-19-2017, 11:41 PM | #4 |
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Buddy Rose isnt a job guy in my book. But he def could shine a guy up with the best of him so if youre asking who id rather have on my card getting guys over it would be Rose
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02-19-2017, 11:48 PM | #5 |
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Yeah, I gotta stretch the definition a little as to not run out of memorable jobbers. You could make the argument that Bill Irwin shouldn't be labeled a jobber either. That's why I made a definitive guideline. Rose had a memorable jobber run though.
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02-19-2017, 11:52 PM | #6 |
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Yeah to keep this running youll need a liberal definition i cant deny that.
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02-19-2017, 11:55 PM | #7 |
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Buddy Rose was the fucking greatest. Loved him in Portland and early 80's WWF. Rose was the man. Fucking that El Dandy bitch
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02-19-2017, 11:57 PM | #8 |
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I'd go as far to say Buddy Rose had Backlund's best title defences
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02-20-2017, 12:07 AM | #9 |
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How was he being presented when he was challenging for the title? I feel like even then, while he was a good heel and a personality, he was never really a serious contender. Was he actually winning a lot back then and being built up or was he closer to jobber to the stars level?
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02-20-2017, 12:15 AM | #10 |
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02-20-2017, 12:16 AM | #11 | |
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02-20-2017, 12:17 AM | #12 |
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Blow away diet> Who are you to doubt
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02-20-2017, 01:39 AM | #13 |
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I choose the "slim, trim 217 lbs" guy
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02-20-2017, 01:59 AM | #14 |
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Blow Away Rose only.
The legit Playboy Buddy Rose would probably beat the fuck outta you if you called him a jobber if he was still alive. |
02-20-2017, 12:12 PM | #15 | |
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02-20-2017, 12:24 PM | #16 |
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Also, Buddy Rose came into the WWF with a video package. The WWF NEVER did stuff like that until 1984.
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02-20-2017, 01:19 PM | #17 |
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Well either way, I couldn't leave "slim, trim 217 lbs." era Buddy Rose out. I guess for situations like this, I could designate specific time periods for certain guys. They're gonna be judged the same way regardless though, so fuck it.
The jobber competition is much more complicated than better wrestler. I did not forsee this. |
02-20-2017, 01:25 PM | #18 |
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It really is.
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02-20-2017, 01:30 PM | #19 |
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Would it not need to be more than 25 matches with less than 25% win percentage?
I am sure the likes of Sheamus/MVP and anyone with a losing streak gimmick for a few months falls into that category. Probably guys like Jericho too. Maybe something like a full calender year with less than 25% or something like that? That's enough to get the likes of Ascension/Vaudevillains and even Ryder/Slater who are talented job guys, while excluding big fish who clearly aren't jobbers |
02-20-2017, 01:38 PM | #20 |
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That's the guideline over their entire career, not over just a short span. Sheamus (62.76%) and MVP (46.14%) wouldn't fall into that category nor would someone who just had a 2 month losing streak angle over an otherwise successful career.
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02-20-2017, 01:43 PM | #21 |
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Ah ok, misunderstood what you had said. That is probably as close as you are going to get to qualification then
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02-20-2017, 01:46 PM | #22 |
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I may start using cagematch.net for win percentages though as I think they have a more extensive match listing (though that could be misleading since they count a lot of indy promotions that probably shouldn't factor in.) Buddy Rose is at 10.52% on ProfightDB but JUST misses the cutoff on cagematch.net at 26.1%.
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02-20-2017, 01:58 PM | #23 |
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Cagematch and Wrestlingdata miss a TON of House Show results while compiling their figures.
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02-20-2017, 02:07 PM | #24 |
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I'm not really that concerned with some missing house show results. They only serve to inflate the numbers needlessly.
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02-20-2017, 02:18 PM | #25 |
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But like I said, there's pure jobbers and there's guys who won house show matches but were t.v jobbers
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02-20-2017, 02:25 PM | #26 |
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Their house show wins would just serve to inflate their winning percentage needlessly though. I want those guys eligible.
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02-20-2017, 03:32 PM | #27 |
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The key is establishing a ceiling.
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02-20-2017, 03:32 PM | #28 |
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an anti glass ceiling if you will.
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02-20-2017, 03:47 PM | #29 |
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The iron floor
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02-20-2017, 03:51 PM | #30 |
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accurate
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02-20-2017, 03:56 PM | #31 |
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James Ellsworth has an win streak when it comes to house shows (undefeated maybe).
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02-20-2017, 04:26 PM | #32 |
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He's also won more often than not on TV. He's really not even a jobber.
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02-20-2017, 06:22 PM | #33 |
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All this Buddy Rose praise makes El Dandy seem like the clear choice here.
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02-20-2017, 06:56 PM | #34 | |
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02-20-2017, 07:01 PM | #35 |
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ABT makes an excellent point.
Though if we are able to just ignore the rest and judge solely on their jobber stints, I think Rose still takes it. Rose actually had a gimmick as a jobber. Impressive. If Barry O had gotten on the mic before every match to tell the crowd that Terry Garvin tried to blow him, he'd still be in this thing. It's all about being memorable. |
02-20-2017, 07:04 PM | #36 |
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02-20-2017, 07:06 PM | #37 |
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02-20-2017, 07:20 PM | #38 |
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I never said anything about anyone being shitty.
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02-21-2017, 01:51 AM | #39 |
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Jerry Flynn was my guy in WCW. I remember when he beat Booker T with a spin kick on Nitro. Lost my shit. Pretty sure I remember him beating Saturn too.
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02-21-2017, 03:03 AM | #40 |
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Horowitz beating Skip is one of my most enduring early WWE memories tbh. It really is all about being memorable.
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