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Old 04-14-2010, 01:29 AM   #721
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Anyone think Michael was the smoke monster?
no, the smoke monster cannot take other forms at this point
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:32 AM   #722
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And we all now know that the Wispers are not the others

hey are the dead that cannot move on
I though it was a cool revelation, but I thought Michael's delivery of it really fell flat. Whether or not this was the original plan for the whispers I have no idea, but when you read the transcripts of the whispers, it certainly fits.
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Old 04-14-2010, 05:29 AM   #723
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When Michael was telling Hurley to say sorry to Libby if he ever saw her I was at least hoping for her "...but I had to do it, THEY TOOK MY SON!!!"
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:11 AM   #724
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:54 AM   #725
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no, the smoke monster cannot take other forms at this point
what do you mean? Because I too thought he was the smoke monster until I realized he wasn't as the episode progressed. But what do you mean he cannot take other forms now?
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He cannot change from his current John Locke form. We do not know why. But Ilana said this to Ben as they were on their way to bury the real Locke. Whoever though it was Michael needs to pay more attention
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I just wrote out a fucking whole post of replies and thoughts on this episode but something went fucking wrong so I'll have to do it later!!! FUCK
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Old 04-14-2010, 02:49 PM   #730
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Quick question:

Jacob told Richard what the Island really was. Did Richard share this information with Jack, Sun, Ilana, etc. to get them to cooperate with him in stopping MIB? Or were they just trusting him?

I don't feel like going back just to find that out. I was just curious if Jack and co. know what fake Locke's deal is
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Old 04-14-2010, 02:57 PM   #731
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I'm guessing that Richard, Linus and Miles will probably end up with Whidmore and co.

It's interesting how the "war" or conflict has sort of shifted to MIB vs Whidmore, and not MIB vs Jacob.
I'm curious to see where Jacob will fit into all of this again, since him and MIB are still directly opposed and in conflict.
Hurley and Jack also seem to still trust Jacob, despite going to see MIB.

Richard is obviously on Jacob's side as of now, and fears MIB more than anyone. I'm curious to see how Whidmore feels about Jacob.
Is he waging this war for Jacob, The Island, or is he just concerned for the greater good?
Or is he really in it for power?

Interesting. It's very hard to tell what a lot of motives are here, and what each side of the conflict stands for. It's a total mystery at this point. We really just know there is a conflict brewing, rather than what it really is.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:40 PM   #732
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Its almost like there are 3 factions

Widmore

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Jacobs candidates.

While Widmore is seemingly a JAcob follower, he seems to sort of be on his own.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:42 PM   #733
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I don't trust Whidmore's group as being good. Especially now that all of the shows heroes are in MIB's camp.
I'm still not sure if MIB will turn out to be the good one, and Jacob the bad one. I did for a while, but I don't think so now.
MIB continues to be not only creepy, but flat out bad. Maybe the Oceanic crew will use him or align with him, but I don't know.

Really just want to see the rest of the episodes. Waiting a week sucks.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:47 PM   #734
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I'm thinking maybe Jack will re-emerge as the leader, and get himself and all of the other Oceanic crew off the island and say fuck you to MIB, Jacob and Whidmore and let them figure it out on the Island.

Or not. FUCK. I don't know. Something has to give with the whole conflict and the keeping of the Island/candidates too.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:51 PM   #735
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I can definitely see my thought from some time last year coming true.. in that in the end, MiB will still be on the island still in Lockes body and he will walk up to Jack (now in Jacobs role) sitting on the beach, mirroring the Jacob/MiB scene from The Incident.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:51 PM   #736
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I also love how calm and cool Desmond has been throughout all this. After 3 years of being told how special he is, they are really coming through on this so far.
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I can definitely see my thought from some time last year coming true.. in that in the end, MiB will still be on the island still in Lockes body and he will walk up to Jack (now in Jacobs role) sitting on the beach, mirroring the Jacob/MiB scene from The Incident.
That'd be pretty cool. He sits down, and then....

SPOILER: show
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Old 04-14-2010, 04:03 PM   #738
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Nah, that closing screen has been so constant it'd anger me if they changed it. I love mimicking the sound every time it's about to come up
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Jesus christ they better not do it then if it angers you, shit.
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Relax there guy, not that serious. Also wouldn't make all that much sense since not only have they been found already, but they probably wouldn't be found that time either since they'd be leaving themselves. But I dunno, a lot happens in Lost over a 4 episode span
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Still wanna know what's up with that kid who keeps appearing near (and scaring) Locke.
Here is my take on him at the moment...

The kid is Jacob. Or someone MIB got killed or had something to do with being killed. Or maybe even his son...

Anyway, it's what he says which is important. 'You can't kill him, you know the rules'. I stated when the The Substitute had aired that 'him' could very well be Jacob. I don't think he was talking about sawyer, because MIB needs him.

I really do think it's possible MIB 'broke the rules' like Widmore supposedly did when Keamy killed Ben's daughter.

Ben stabbed Jacob, but he wasn't dead until MIB kicked him into the fire. He killed him. In essence, this could mean that he has already lost or has a price to pay. Or has to do something else and further for him to 'win'.

Either way, whoever the kid is, the Island allows it to communicate with MIB and all those who see it. Maybe is a sign that the good side is winning, the more who can see it because they are now 'ready' and no longer flawed, as Mikhail once put it. Although the people he said it to were candidates, he said they were not on the list.

I have still not written and replied to the latest posts on the latest episode, I have a few good points to make. Hopefully tomorrow. Can't actually believe that even though it's weekly, we are already near the end
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Also don't forget that after next weeks episode there's a one week break as well. Also one theory i've heard that I like is that the kid is an avatar of the island. Since the island is supposed to be considered a character (or something) according to abrams and lindoff.
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No offense mate, but that avatar theory can fuck right off, lol no fucking way.

Also, I understand that although there is a one week break , the finale is still on th 23rd of May, hows that work do you know?
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I think it'd be because the finale is technically two episodes? Not sure
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No offense mate, but that avatar theory can fuck right off, lol no fucking way.

Also, I understand that although there is a one week break , the finale is still on th 23rd of May, hows that work do you know?
There was supposed to be a one week break between the penultimate episode and the season finale, but they switched the break to the 27th.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:10 PM   #750
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:26 PM   #751
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The finale is on a Sunday night
Yup, which is great because we will watch one episode Tuesday and only have to wait till Sunday for the finale.

Imagine if they kept the break and we had to wait almost 2 weeks for the finale? people would go crazy
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:33 PM   #752
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Here is my take on him at the moment...

The kid is Jacob. Or someone MIB got killed or had something to do with being killed. Or maybe even his son...

Anyway, it's what he says which is important. 'You can't kill him, you know the rules'. I stated when the The Substitute had aired that 'him' could very well be Jacob. I don't think he was talking about sawyer, because MIB needs him.

I really do think it's possible MIB 'broke the rules' like Widmore supposedly did when Keamy killed Ben's daughter.

Ben stabbed Jacob, but he wasn't dead until MIB kicked him into the fire. He killed him. In essence, this could mean that he has already lost or has a price to pay. Or has to do something else and further for him to 'win'.

Either way, whoever the kid is, the Island allows it to communicate with MIB and all those who see it. Maybe is a sign that the good side is winning, the more who can see it because they are now 'ready' and no longer flawed, as Mikhail once put it. Although the people he said it to were candidates, he said they were not on the list.

I have still not written and replied to the latest posts on the latest episode, I have a few good points to make. Hopefully tomorrow. Can't actually believe that even though it's weekly, we are already near the end
Do you think it's possible that this kid is one of the wandering dead on the island who don't have "closure" like Michael stated in the last episode? (I don't know if closure is the right word, but I think you know what I mean). Because it seems like all of the dead people that speak to Hurley seem to know what is going to happen in the future, like Michael instructing Hurley not to let Richard blow up the plane, or Richard's wife saying that they need to stop the MIB. Somehow, I think there is a link between this kid and the rest of the wandering dead.
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Do you think it's possible that this kid is one of the wandering dead on the island who don't have "closure" like Michael stated in the last episode? (I don't know if closure is the right word, but I think you know what I mean). Because it seems like all of the dead people that speak to Hurley seem to know what is going to happen in the future, like Michael instructing Hurley not to let Richard blow up the plane, or Richard's wife saying that they need to stop the MIB. Somehow, I think there is a link between this kid and the rest of the wandering dead.
He has to have greater importance than just one of the stuck ghosts. Some people are speculating it is Jacob and he respawned, and is now growing again. Sort of as a clock on MiB's plan to get off the island
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That was a different kid from the one earlier on in the season wasn't it? I just figured that they were Jacob and MiB when they were kids. As to why and how they're showing up I have no clue and will leave that to the writers to explain.
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That was a different kid from the one earlier on in the season wasn't it? I just figured that they were Jacob and MiB when they were kids. As to why and how they're showing up I have no clue and will leave that to the writers to explain.
I thought the more recent kid had darker hair and could be MiB as a kid but I could do with re-watching.
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That was a different kid from the one earlier on in the season wasn't it? I just figured that they were Jacob and MiB when they were kids. As to why and how they're showing up I have no clue and will leave that to the writers to explain.
The point of this thread is to discuss what you think is happening, not just to wait for the writers to explain it.
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lol well I said I thought the kids were Jacob and MiB but just didn't really have any thoughts on why. My bad though
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