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Old 01-07-2015, 08:59 AM   #1
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Exclamation The OFFICIAL Jon Jones is ducking Dr. Drew because Nino Brown has the ki to that lame ass riddle thread.
So this is a mega cocaine Jon Jones rehab thread.

A lot of fighters are pissed because others have gotten long suspensions over weed, yet a star gets rehab for a much harder drug. UFC will feel backlash from this and I feel the should have publicly repremanded him and given him a six month suspension. Even make the Gus/Rumble fight for the interim title.

The other crazy thing that was brought up over night was that Jones coke use was brought up by Chael Sonnen after their fight. Cowboy supposedly mentioned it while playing Xbox live with someone from the UG.

Then, a friend of DC and the owner of Cage Fighter, Mike DiSabato, posted this on Twitter days before 182:



If this was such a known thing, the UFC have def been playing favorites by not punishing Jones.

He is a moron for doing this to himself and his legacy.







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he is still the best fighter in the world..... gram for gram.
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Strip him of the title, not really gonna impact him much but it sets a precedent, the fact he's sponsored by the UFC they really need to do something. Plus him having a few fights to get into contention for the title is a redemption story video package waiting to happen.
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There was actually a mistake somewhere along the line for the athletic commission or the testing facility because substances of abuse are not considered banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency when it comes to out-of-competition testing and the Nevada Athletic Commission adheres to the WADA code. So Jones wasn’t even supposed to be tested for cocaine in the first place during his Dec. 4 random screening.

White, however, saw the accident as a positive, at least for Jones and his personal struggles.
“They made a mistake. The guys who come and do the random drug testing made a mistake,” said White. “Everything happens for a reason. It’s a great thing that this happened. It’s a great thing that this guy made a mistake.
“Who would’ve known? We would never know. (Now) we get him the help that he needs.
“We’re worried about Jon Jones, the human being, the person. We’re not worried about the image of the sport or any of that right now. The guy is a human being and he needs help. I applaud him and we support him.”
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His T:E ratios are very telling of the fact his abuses PEDs and is a much bigger deal than the recreational drug use. I hope he gets stripped of the title and make Gus vs Rumble for the interim.
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Disclaimer: I do not claim any content in this article to be factual. I’ve written this article for entertainment purposes, based on my findings online, but I take no responsibility for the reliability of the information within this article.

December 4th, 2014
Having arrived back to Albequerque, New Mexico just a few days ago from Brazil, Jones takes a random out-of-competition drug test, which is performed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC).

They take not one but two tests because the first test seems ”watery”. Both tests are positive for cocaine metabolites.

But here’s where it gets serious: cocaine is not the most newsworthy detail of Jones’ drug test results, even though the UFC makes it look as such. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio (commonly referred to as “T:E ratio”) and testosterone levels are alarming.

Jones’ T:E ratio is abnormally low in the first test: 0.29:1. An average T:E ratio is 1:1 although averages differ based on, for example, ethnic background. T:E ratio tells us how much testosterone he has in his body compared to the amount of epitestosterone – it doesn’t, however, tell us anything about his actual testosterone levels.

Having such a low T:E ratio indicates either a health problem (unlikely considering Jones is such a big, dominating athlete) or cycling off from testosterone usage. When you take synthetic testosterone, your body stops producing its own testosterone. Once you stop taking synthetic testosterone, it can take from weeks to months – depending on the case – for your testosterone production to re-start, which then leads to abnormally low testosterone levels. So with that said…

Jones’ testosterone level is at 1.8 ng/ml – a more common way of putting it is 180 ng/dl while normal for an average adult is between 350 ng/dl and 1000 ng/dl. Since we’re talking about one of the top athletes in the sport, it’s highly unlikely that his testosterone levels would be lower than average, or as in this case, almost 50% below what’s considered the minimal normal amount.

Considering his age and achievements in the sport, it’s reasonable to assume that his natural levels are well over the minimal normal amount. Being that much lower is absurd.

December 18th, 2014
Jones takes another test which later comes back clean of cocaine metabolites.

Interestingly, the executive director of the NSAC, Bob Bennett, now claims Jones was never tested for recreational drugs on December 18th, claiming how a test for recreational drugs was never supposed to be a part of an out-of-competition test. In a picture of the December 18th drug test (published by Kevin Iole on Twitter), it clearly shows that Jones was tested for narcotics.

This time, Jones’ T:E ratio has sunk even lower than in the December 4th test: 0.19:1. This isn’t just abnormally low anymore like the previous test was – here we have a relatively significant change from previous results as well. It should be noted, though, that urine tests aren’t the most reliable when it comes to testosterone testing (they need blood for more accurate results).

But curiously, his testosterone and epitestosterone levels have changed quite significantly… higher, that is. Two weeks after the first test, his results now show 4.9 ng/ml or 490 ng/dl for testosterone. Not abnormally high, but 2.7 times his previous result. Weird.

His epitestosterone levels have gone from 6.1 ng/ml to 27 ng/ml which is 4.4 times more than in the previous test. (With athletes, an increase in epitestorone levels is usually a sign of attempt to hide rising testosterone levels, which would keep the T:E ratio within allowable limits).

I would love to know why the NSAC has so far failed to further study these abnormal testosterone and epitestosterone results. The NSAC’s threshold ratio is 6:1, meaning if you have a ridiculous amount of testosterone compared to epitestosterone – like in the case of Alistair Overeem (14:1) and Chael Sonnen (16.9:1) – you’ll get caught.

But they should absolutely test for abnormally low results as well and not let them fly under the radar. Either the person has a serious health problem or something else is going on, and I’d be willing to bet on the latter in the majority of the cases where top-level athletes are tested.

Even though most MMA news sites are still focused on the cocaine storyline, hopefully the NSAC is pressured to perform Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) tests on the backup samples, which should be able to detect synthetic testosterone. CIR tests cost more and are usually performed only when a positive test has been challenged; this time it would be a disgrace to the sport if these negative tests weren’t challenged.

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NSAC can test stored samples from Jon Jones to investigate troubling T/E ratios. CIR will reveal if external/illegal source of T or E used

December 23rd, 2014.
The NSAC gets the results of the first test back and, as mentioned, finds the test positive for cocaine metabolites, known as Benzoylecgonine.

Interestingly, Jon Jones, the person being tested, doesn’t find out about the results at this point. He’s only notified two days after the fight, and not by the NSAC who performed the tests, but the UFC.

Technically, Jones violates no rules since it was an out-of-competition test and recreational drugs aren’t prohibited out-of-competition. The definition for in-competition is 12 hours before the fight or after the fight – an almost useless time window, not only because the weigh-ins happen more than 24 hours before the fight – and everything not considered in-competition is considered out-of-competition.

Side Note: A prescription drug called Esterom includes Benzoylecgonine (cocaine metabolites) and is used to relieve muscle pain. Theoretically, one can be on Esterom but it wouldn’t be a medically valid explanation due to Esterom being illegal in the US and not approved by the FDA. I don’t know if there are more drugs like Esterom.

January 3rd, 2014.
Fight night. Both Jones and Cormier take urine tests before and after the fight. The results haven’t come out yet.

January 5th/6th, 2014.
The UFC notifies Jones of the failed test. Why were the UFC notified of the results before Jon Jones, especially since allegedly no rules were violated? How is it the UFC’s business what Jon Jones has used if he violates no rules, and why do they deserve to know about it before the person being tested?

Theoretically, it would make sense for both the NSAC and the UFC to cover up these results until after the fight, and preferably forever. The results only came out due to some reporter contacting NSAC and requesting access to the results, which are public records. It’s possible, if not highly probably, that the results would have stayed ”hidden” and never been announced.

The first quarter of the year is an important one for the UFC as their credit rating was downgraded at the end of 2014. They’ve just announced a huge sponsorship deal with Reebok. They want this big fight with lots of build-up, marketing dollars and hype behind it to happen. And just as importantly, with some of their biggest stars either retiring or getting injured, they don’t want the negative press for one of their brightest stars.

According to his statement, Jones checks into a drug rehab facility. No discipline from the UFC even though Jon Jones has obviously violated their Code of Conduct. If anything, Dana White is proud of him for checking into rehab.

The NSAC’s interests are likely aligned with the UFC. The more shows the UFC puts on in Nevada, the better it is for the NSAC. To my understanding, they get compensated based on how well an event performs. If they’re being too strict in any way, the UFC can easily look at other venues for their fights.

Furthermore, the UFC likely has great connections to the NSAC. One of the owners of the UFC, Lorenzo Fertitta, was a commissioner for the NSAC before getting involved in the UFC, and Marc Ratner, the current Vice President of Regulatory Affairs at the UFC, was previously the Executive Director of the NSAC.

Dana White appeared on FX1 a while ago and confirmed they (the UFC) were aware of the drug results well before the fight took place. Since Jones only found out after the fight, it seems possible the UFC and the NSAC made some plans together… but you never know.

Some reporters have stated the NSAC are unable to punish Jon Jones for a positive out-of-competition recreational drug test. Wrong. See NRS 467.157 / Revocation of License which basically allows them to discipline him for any ”sufficient” reason. Then again, how would they look disciplining him now, considering they knew about the results well before the fight took place?
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wtf, how does anyone know he was "addicted" to coke and therefore needs rehab, other than from him "checking himself in" which could have been for plenty of different reasons, one being that it is the best PR move. he tested positive for cocaine, what does that mean other than he did it 1 time at some point, tons of people do cocaine, ya it is stupid but does everybody who does it "need help"...
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It's a PR stunt to hide the fact that he uses PEDs.
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Testosterone is so wacky. I wish I understood more about it, seems like one of those things everything thinks they know about but really, who knows?

I mean, I have no idea if this is based on anything at all but the fact that Jon Jones is basically "bones" if you will while his nfl brothers are massive is curious to me. Don't even get why he would really need PEDs since he is genetically and technically ideal for mma. For older smaller guys like vitor or sonnen it makes more sense to me.
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Did you go this hard when Chael was caught doing PEDs for the 72nd time?
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Chael never claimed to be a Christian or bragged about narcing people put for weed.

Chael is not a blatant hypocrite.
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Chael also admitted fault and didn't pull a PR stunt to cover his PED usage.
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Testosterone is so wacky. I wish I understood more about it, seems like one of those things everything thinks they know about but really, who knows?

I mean, I have no idea if this is based on anything at all but the fact that Jon Jones is basically "bones" if you will while his nfl brothers are massive is curious to me. Don't even get why he would really need PEDs since he is genetically and technically ideal for mma. For older smaller guys like vitor or sonnen it makes more sense to me.
with the brothers stuff, they play defensive line, gotta be big bastards, they're that size intentionally. Arthur is a tubbster, like 300+ pounds who can eat what he wants when he wants and Chandler is built like a UFC heavyweight. Jon's walking around weight is only 30 pounds or so off of Chandler's, which given he's constantly been working to be that size through high school, college and now pro football, isn't much at all.
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also, definitely an element of Krispy wanting Jones to be punished for this because it puts Rumble a step closer to the belt
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Gus vs Rumble should be for the title
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Chael is not a blatant hypocrite.
Whats worse a hypocrite or a liar? Are they not in the same boat? He is also a repeat offender for PED usage.

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On June 10, it was announced that Sonnen had failed an initial drug test administered by the NAC on May 24 while Sonnen was in Las Vegas for UFC 173. Sonnen had traces of banned substances anastrozole and clomiphene in his system.


A day later, Sonnen announced his retirement on UFC Tonight and said that he was using the drugs as an alternative to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), which was banned in Nevada in February. Sonnen said he has low testosterone and he and his wife were having fertility issues. The drugs, he said, alleviated those and now Brittany Sonnen is pregnant.

The NAC asked Sonnen to take another test June 5 in Portland, Ore., as part of the state's ramped-up drug-testing policy, according to MMA Fighting. The commission learned earlier this week that Sonnen had failed due to the presence of HGH, EPO (typically used to boost red blood cells that carry oxygen to muscles), anastrozole (used to treat early stages of breast cancer) and human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a female fertility drug used in an effort to kick start natural testosterone production.
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Seems like he chose being a father over being in MMA.
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HGH and EPO do not help in male fertility.
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Jon Jones bragged about snitching on people for weed then got pooped for cocaine.

That is worse than PED's, IMO.
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These drugs are performance de-enhancing drugs. They are worse for him as a person but not as a fighter and the others he fights against.
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Neither look good for the UFC. Personally I think being a hypocrite drug addict is more jarring to public appearance than "banned substances" which are usually used due to low T because of past steroid use.
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On top of that, it's pretty clear after he checked himself out of rehab after one night that the cocaine was a PR stunt to cover the PED use.
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Jon Jones bragged about snitching on people for weed then got pooped for cocaine.

That is worse than PED's, IMO.
No and lol at him 'pooping' cocaine.
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Neither look good for the UFC. Personally I think being a hypocrite drug addict is more jarring to public appearance than "banned substances" which are usually used due to low T because of past steroid use.
I'm more concerned with a cheater using his fists, legs, arms to attack somebody not on PEDs. I'd call that manslaughter if the guy died or worse. That's a lot worse for the image of the league.
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On top of that, it's pretty clear after he checked himself out of rehab after one night that the cocaine was a PR stunt to cover the PED use.
Why did he get tested for cocaine anyways? Was it an accident as they say? Or did somebody else tip them off? Poetic justice.
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A) he wasn't supposed to be tested for recreational drugs
B) the test results weren't supposed to be released
C) both of these happened to cover up his PED use

A + B = C
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