05-31-2013, 09:10 PM | #41 |
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I think Orton was good back in 09-11 now he's stale and he works better as a heel. Don't know why all the vitriol for him though. It's not like he's Cena.
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05-31-2013, 09:19 PM | #42 |
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As a face he was fucking money in the Christian feud and in the Mark Henry feud. If you want a good example of how amazing Orton is in the ring just look at those Mark Henry matches. The one where he lost the title and the Hell in a Cell rematch. Probably the best matches Mark Henry has ever had. I can't even think of a close third. Instead of Henry just looking like a generic monster they actually put on matches that made it seem like Orton was a stud but just couldn't quite overcome. It was awesome storytelling. Storytelling you can't find most of the time in today's WWE where every match is basically the same.
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05-31-2013, 09:23 PM | #43 |
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05-31-2013, 09:26 PM | #44 |
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05-31-2013, 09:43 PM | #45 |
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05-31-2013, 10:05 PM | #46 |
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06-04-2013, 02:29 AM | #48 |
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I have been bored by Orton in the past, but when you hear people in the business who know their shit talk, they pretty much all drool over what Orton does. And you can't argue that he is ridiculously over. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning behind it, smart money would be to bottle whatever it is Orton has and try to make money off it.
I've heard people talk about how Orton has been "phoning it in" lately, but the guy hasn't really had too much of a program to work with. And that's probably largely in part due to him being one bad test away from being fired and becoming TNA's star attraction. Now it seems like there is more of a plan to use Orton constructively, and he's been on fire these past couple of weeks as he's been put with Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Daniel Bryan, Kane and The Shield. I don't think the company should put a World Title on him, but I do think that he could be used to get a World Champion like a Dolph Ziggler over. People are saying that Orton vs. Sheamus is probably going to happen at SummerSlam, but I kind of think that would be a bad move, because Orton is so over I can't see people cheering Sheamus over him. Ziggler vs. Orton makes pretty good sense as a World Title match, though. |
06-04-2013, 02:32 AM | #49 |
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I agree with everything Afterlife said, but I have no intention of fruitlessly arguing against the tide of, what I perceive to be, blindness.
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06-04-2013, 02:34 AM | #50 |
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I appreciate all the hard work guys, but I don't think I can listen to it. I disagree with 99% of Jabba's and Sammy's wrestling opinions so I'd probably start pulling out my own hair halfway thru. Keep it up tho
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06-04-2013, 02:35 AM | #51 |
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I feel exactly the same way about podcasts where I disagree with everything the guys say. Nature of the beast.
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06-04-2013, 02:53 AM | #52 |
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The whole Orton thing is honestly really frustrating to me, because I legitimately do not see what everyone sees in this guy. I've never seen a Randy Orton match that's had me on the edge of my seat, or heard a Randy Orton promo that's made me want to fork over money for the Pay-Per-View. And yet, everyone keeps going on and on about how great he is in the ring.
But what exactly does he do that's so great? He doesn't have a particularly good mat game, he's not agile enough to do high-flying stuff, he's not big enough to have a convincing power-move set, and most of his signatures look sloppy and weak (and I fucking hate that elevated DDT; seriously, all you have to do is put your feet down--gravity is doing half the work for you). So he's just got this bland prototypical "WWE Main Event" style that doesn't really excel in any one particular area. Granted, he's not glaringly bad at that apart from the occasional horrendously botched spot, but if all he's good at is the inoffensive formulaic lowest-common-denominator style, then I don't see why I should want to see him over someone who actually brings something unique into the ring. And as has been said before, he's awful on the mic. So what exactly am I missing here? How is this guy getting massive pops and being "naturally over" for, from what I can tell, no goddamn reason? I'm legitimately confused by it, and have been pretty much ever since he first showed up. |
06-04-2013, 03:30 AM | #53 |
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Anyone who bitches about the way Randy Orton sounds when he cuts a promo better not be a Cody Rhodes fan.
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06-04-2013, 03:49 AM | #54 |
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I love Cody Rhodes on the mic, but not that fond of Orton's promos. It's not that he's bad. He's pretty confident and when he's not talking...slowly...all...the...time there's absolutely nothing atrocious about him. He's a clear talker and could get the point across and fill the time with a mic. Rhodes is really great on the mic. Some of his stuff has been fantastic over the years, and not just as deranged Cody. His more cheeky stuff recently has been decent.
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06-04-2013, 03:33 PM | #55 | |
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So it bothers you when someone is taaalkinnng sllowwwwllyyy allll thheeee timmmme onnn theeee miiiiiiiic, huuuuuh? Yeah, hate when Orton does it. So glaaaaad Cody dooooesn't taaaalk slooooow ooonnnn theeeee miiiiiic liiiiiiike thiiiiiissssss. |
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06-04-2013, 04:56 PM | #56 |
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Cody has a glorious mustache, so that's a major point in his favor.
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06-04-2013, 05:19 PM | #57 |
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Randy Orton needs to shake things up and become a cocky heel who can talk at more than three words per minute. Grow his hair out too.
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06-04-2013, 06:58 PM | #59 |
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Yeah...what the fuck are you talking about? Cody doesn't talk slowly on the mic, and even when he was more "methodical" with the mask gimmick - he was still talking faster than Randy Orton.
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06-04-2013, 07:16 PM | #60 |
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Finally finished this. Very entertaining listen, guys. Excited to hear future installments.
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06-04-2013, 07:31 PM | #61 | |
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Yes, he talked slow as fuck when he was doing the same gimmick that everyone praises as when he was at his best. The only time he was really getting significant mic time, by the way. You might as well call him "Cody Orton". If you can seriously watch that promo and praise Cody while bitching about Orton talking slow, it's the most blatant evidence of "I want to hate Orton so I will call anything he does a 'flaw' while ignoring when others do it." It's retarded. Consistency. Either hate when everyone does it or don't give a fuck about it at all. lol P.S. Coke and Pepsi pretty much taste the exact same. So... yeah. Good analogy for what I'm saying. I'd even go a step further and say I'm comparing Coke and Coke. They're the exact same thing. They boooothhh taaaalk liiike thiiiiis yet somehow one is acceptable and the other is not. |
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06-04-2013, 07:32 PM | #62 |
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Even if you had shown me Randy Orton as World Champion in 2004, I still wouldn't believe you if you had told me that Orton would eventually come a slow, methodical, cold-blooded badass known for being someone you just don't fuck with. Orton was a cocky, arrogant, braggart, more like a Dolph Ziggler than a Stone Cold Steve Austin when he originally rose to the top. Orton had to run away from Evolution when they turned on him because there was no way anyone would buy him being able to stand toe-to-toe with them. How things change?
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06-04-2013, 07:36 PM | #63 |
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I would love to join the wrestling podcast. I have the credentials & my resume should arrive shortly.
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06-04-2013, 07:37 PM | #64 |
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Orton has been around long enough while a bunch of guys with no personality have come and failed. That's a big part of the reason why he's believable as a guy you don't fuck with now. He got over in a more impressive era and now he's on a different level than the rest of the roster.
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If you can't tell the difference in the pacing, I feel sorry for you. I don't even feel that Orton is a bad promo -- I've explained that. I just can't remember too many great ones from recently, whereas I quite enjoy Cody Rhodes' mic work. You also have to keep in mind that they are playing different characters. A promo choice for one character might work and it may not work for another. Orton's character is that he's a psychopath who knows how good he is. Rhodes was playing a psychopath, but one that was ashamed of his own face. Even if their promo...styles...were...exactly...the same -- you have to put them into the context of characters. Kane doing an evil laugh makes sense. If Curtis Axel tried to do an evil laugh next week, it'd just seem odd and out of place. You're going to interpret this as "Everybody loves Cody Rhodes, blah blah blah, Cody's the best promo ever, blah blah blah." I've seen Rhodes make some odd choices on the mic trying to find something that works, but his promo style is always changing and evolving, depending on what character he is playing. Also, he's just not as slow as Randy Orton, so there. And it's a matter of preference. If you hang onto every word Orton is saying, good for you -- but don't tell others that their preference of Cody Rhodes is wrong because you don't understand the differences. Deranged Cody was brilliant, by the way, because it was an evolved character. It came from an event and Rhodes soared with it. You could hear the hurt as his voice cracked, but the character actually had some more light-hearted moments, as in when he would try to get Booker T to put the bag on his head. It added heavyweight presence to a guy who had been doing a rehashed narcissist gimmick, and cutting perfectly fine promos in that role, too. |
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06-04-2013, 07:51 PM | #66 |
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... Did you listen to either of those promos!?!?!?
At BEST for Cody, they're on the same exact stride. lol And if you wanna try to go with "Well... it fit his character but doesn't fit Randy's", they're both justified within their methodical characters and both (At least I think with Cody's case. I can't remember much from him on the mic lately.) have cut faster-paced promos when the character saw fit. I don't mind either one for their slow delivery. But like I said, you gotta be consistent. And if you can watch those two promos and find Rhodes to be acceptable and Orton to be somehow flawed in it, I can't see how you just aren't just set in your way. |
06-04-2013, 07:59 PM | #67 |
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The more I think about it, I seriously feel like Rhodes could have gotten his delivery style during that time FROM Orton.
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06-04-2013, 08:03 PM | #68 |
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Rhodes has learned a lot from Orton. You see it in his ring style and, yes, he has cut "serious" promos. I just don't agree with you on the pacing. Rhodes is more pausing for dramatic effect and, you know, talking in sentences? Orton is pausing for dramatic effect, alright. In my opinion -- you can disagree, but don't go calling it inconsistent. As I said -- they're Coke and Pepsi.
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06-04-2013, 08:03 PM | #69 |
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Actually the way he says every word the same, he sounds more like that character Will Ferrell did where he couldn't control the pitch or volume of his voice. Just with his pacing slowed down.
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06-04-2013, 08:05 PM | #70 |
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Cody Rhodes would like: "Put that bag...over your head."
Randy Orton would be like: "Put...that bag...over...your head." And that's exaggerating the pause for Rhodes. |
06-04-2013, 08:17 PM | #71 |
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No...
Cody would be like: "Put that baaaag. Overr yourrr heead." I'm not just referring to the pauses. I'm referring to the fact that he sooouuunnds like hee's sayyying thinnngs is slooowww moootionnn. |
06-04-2013, 11:38 PM | #72 |
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So, your argument is that when a character does something, it's just as a bad as when an inconsistent mess does something good?
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06-05-2013, 12:02 AM | #73 |
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Essentially.
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06-05-2013, 12:38 AM | #74 |
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06-05-2013, 12:41 AM | #75 |
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I can't think of a time I've agreed with a #1-wwf-fan post.
Just putting that out there. |
06-05-2013, 12:42 AM | #76 |
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Clearly you should re-evaluate your views on wrestling then.
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06-05-2013, 12:42 AM | #77 |
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Wait... So does that mean Afterlife's post DID make sense to you? You should explain it then.
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06-05-2013, 12:46 AM | #78 |
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I'm sorry, but you seem to be utterly wrong about everything you've ever allowed to travel from your brain to your keyboard.
Afterlife's post makes sense, but he's being intentionally convoluted, to better illustrate the absurdity of your stance. |
06-05-2013, 12:49 AM | #79 | |
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06-05-2013, 12:50 AM | #80 |
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Feel free.
I'm not going to endlessly repeat the reasons, already given in this thread, that Orton is really bad at his job. It's a waste of time, because nobody's mind will be changed. |