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Old 04-25-2012, 09:53 AM   #1481
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Or they could just do like Oakland used to do. The Minnesota Vikings of Los Angeles?
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:13 AM   #1482
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This is ridiculous what is happening to my team..

Someone is hating HARD..
Yeah, its really HATING when they are getting busted on LEGIT charges.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:13 AM   #1483
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And fuck, you got a super bowl out of all they did, so who cares if you have to pay the piper now. Its not like that Trophy is going anywhere.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:41 PM   #1484
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Samuel, Robinson and Grimes... Not a long term solution, but definitely good enough for now.
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Alright Cowboys, lets draft Mark Barron
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Big storyline for next season is going to be Calvin Johnson vs the Madden Curse since he will be the cover star for Madden 13.



In terms of non-injuries, everyone else either had a huge decline or retired (Barry Sanders) although to be fair, all the players selected had "career"-type years as the reason for being picked so it was natural for a decline to occur the next season.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:34 PM   #1487
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Fitzgerald was on the cover with Polamalu and it didn't effect him at all. WR's might be immune.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:50 PM   #1488
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Still counts as a "cursed" year since Polo got hurt and Fitz ended up missing the Pro Bowl due to an injury. Stats-wise, Fitz had better years but because the Cards neither made it to the SB nor won it, still counts as a cursed year.

That year ended up being an exception due to having 2 players although also meant the curse had double the people to impact for that year and it did with Polo.
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Madden curse has struck as many times as it hasn't in the past 6 years.
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For the first time in a while I'm totally not looking forward to the first round of the draft. Picking so late combined with the fact that there really isn't anyone exciting past like the top 15 just leaves me feeling bleh. Just hope they don't reach on a DT or draft a RB. Or Fleener. Please, no
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:21 PM   #1491
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tired of hearing about how RG 3 is gonna lead the Redskins to glory again.

he has HUGE BUST written all over him, not to mention they have way more holes than just QB.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:23 PM   #1492
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How does he have "HUGE BUST written all over him"? I have to know
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:27 PM   #1493
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Ben Maller had this discussion a few weeks ago, theres no way that both Luck and RG3 are great NFL QBs, so one of them has to be a bust, and I think it'll be RG3. Its also more likely that they are both busts than they both have good careers...

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Of the five quarterback duos to go 1-2 since 1967, only one saw both quarterbacks go on to start 80 games over the course of their NFL careers. That pairing, Jim Plunkett and Archie Manning in 1971, had its own quirks, asterisks and “yeah, buts.” Plunkett, the Patriots’ top pick out of Stanford (like Luck), was initially deemed a bust after six mediocre years in New England. He didn’t find success until after he bounced to one team (San Francisco), then another (Oakland), where he finally won two Super Bowl rings in the latter part of his career. Manning, Peyton and Eli’s father, retired after 13 NFL seasons having never played on a team that notched a winning record or made the playoffs.
The other 1-2 duos don’t even come close to the cumulative “success” of Plunkett and Manning.
Drew Bledsoe and Rick Mirer (1993), Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf (1998), and Tim Couch and Donovan McNabb (1999) were all 50/50 scenarios. Mirer had a somewhat promising start to his career in Seattle, only to fizzle out as an NFL journeyman before retiring in 2004 with seven NFL teams listed on his resume. Both Leaf and Couch were out of the league altogether within five seasons.
I dont even think you can count Archie Manning as a good QB, he just managed to hang around long enough with a bunch of bad teams.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:29 PM   #1494
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Why can't Luck and Griffin both be great QBs?
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:30 PM   #1495
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That doesn't make any sense at all.

But I bet there's some stupid history behind it that doesn't have any logical backing.
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Like always.
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So your reason for this has nothing to do with his ability? You just had to pick between the two QBs and you somehow arrived at the conclusion that Griffin "has HUGE BUST written all over him" despite not basing your opinion on anything about him, but rather results of past drafts?

OK
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Part of my reasoning is also because the Redskins seem to fuck everything up somehow, and the whole trade the farm for the #2 pick only to have RG3 bust out seems about par for the course of the franchise over the last 15 years.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.

But I bet there's some stupid history behind it that doesn't have any logical backing.
How does the fact that the last 5 times QBs have gone 1/2 since 1970, one of the QBs was great and the other was horrible not translate to this draft?
Its not like the overall track record of top 5 picked QBs is that great either :
2011 1 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers Auburn
2010 1 Sam Bradford St. Louis Rams Oklahoma
2009 1 Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions Georgia
2009 5 Mark Sanchez New York Jets USC
2008 3 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons Boston College
2007 1 JaMarcus Russell Oakland Raiders LSU
2006 3 Vince Young Tennessee Titans Texas
2005 1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers Utah
2004 1 Eli Manning San Diego Chargers Mississippi
2004 4 Philip Rivers New York Giants North Carolina State
2003 1 Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengals USC
2002 1 David Carr Houston Texans Fresno State
2002 3 Joey Harrington Detroit Lions Oregon
2001 1 Michael Vick Atlanta Falcons Virginia Tech
1999 1 Tim Couch Cleveland Browns Kentucky
1999 2 Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagles Syracuse
1999 3 Akili Smith Cincinnati Bengals Oregon
1998 1 Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts Tennessee
1998 2 Ryan Leaf San Diego Chargers Washington State
1995 3 Steve McNair Houston Oilers Alcorn State
1995 5 Kerry Collins Carolina Panthers Penn State
1994 3 Heath Shuler Washington Redskins Tennessee
1993 1 Drew Bledsoe New England Patriots Washington State
1993 2 Rick Mirer Seattle Seahawks Notre Dame
1990 1 Jeff George Indianapolis Colts Illinois
1989 1 Troy Aikman Dallas Cowboys UCLA
1987 1 Vinny Testaverde Tampa Bay Buccaneers Miami (Fla.)
1986 3 Jim Everett Houston Oilers Purdue
1983 1 John Elway Baltimore Colts Stanford
1982 4 Art Schlichter Baltimore Colts Ohio State
1982 5 Jim McMahon Chicago Bears Brigham Young
1979 3 Jack Thompson Cincinnati Bengals Washington State
1975 1 Steve Bartkowski Atlanta Falcons California
1973 2 Bert Jones Baltimore Colts LSU
1971 1 Jim Plunkett New England Patriots Stanford
1971 2 Archie Manning New Orleans Saints Mississippi
1971 3 Dan Pastorini Houston Oilers Santa Clara
1970 1 Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh Steelers Louisiana Tech
1970 3 Mike Phipps Cleveland Browns Purdue

I bolded the ones that won a Super Bowl..and with the exception of McMahon, all that won SBs were #1 picks
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Part of my reasoning is also because the Redskins seem to fuck everything up somehow, and the whole trade the farm for the #2 pick only to have RG3 bust out seems about par for the course of the franchise over the last 15 years.
Another point that has nothing to do with Griffin himself
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Fitzgerald was on the cover with Polamalu and it didn't effect him at all. WR's might be immune.
The Madden curse does not affect Larry Fitzjesus. That's why.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:17 AM   #1502
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Surely Droford meant because he is black.

FUCKING RACISM.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:23 AM   #1503
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not hardly, but whatever
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:24 AM   #1504
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The only reason I could see RG3 being a bust is because hes going to the career cemetery known as the redskins. Put him on almost any other team and theres no question he would be great.
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I think Andrew Luck is going to be a bust because the Colts have drafted 2 successful quarterbacks with their first picks in the draft and two shitty quarterbacks with first picks and seeing as how their last one was good Luck will certainly be bad

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although Droford is right and there is NO CONCEIVABLE WAY either of them could be great
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Rg3 will suffer because everything around him is shit. He won't be a bust but he won't do much
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Hey guys, just curious. What's your go-to channel for watching the draft tonight? ESPN or NFL Network?
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:09 AM   #1509
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ESPN because I still haven't figured out what is in Mel Kiper's hair, but I think I've narrowed it down to a combination of Sportin' Wave, Murray's Pomade and Isoplus. This is the year I finally nail it.
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I'd probably go back and forth. Whichever one doesnt spoil the pick before it's in, but I guess they both do that.

Also I didnt know Chandler Jones was Bones' brother. Some sick genes there
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2009- Stafford/Sanchez
2004- Rivers/Manning
2002- Carr/Harrington
1999- Couch/McNabb
1998- Manning/Leaf
1995- McNair/ Collins

Unless I'm reading your table of top 5 selected QB's wrong, your inane notion that RG3 and Luck both can't be good because they're in the same draft seems pretty inconclusive. In terms of numbers, Sanchez's first three seasons are almost identical to Eli's, he's improved every season and by the way, dude played pretty well during those two AFC championship runs in the playoffs. Stafford's team just got there, so I don't see how you can call anyone in that pairing a bust.

Philip Rivers is statistically the better quarterback than Eli, but Eli has more rings. I don't think either of those guys are a bust.

Carr and Harrington were both busts.

I'll give you Couch as a flop, but he went # and stylistically who is RG3 more comparable to, Tim Couch or Donovan McNabb.

I'll give you Leaf as well, but unless RG3 has an addictive personality/mental disorder, I don't see how they compare.

Kerry Collins may not have been as good as McNair statistically, but he put up some nice numbers and did start his career on an expansion team. He actually threw for more yards in his career than McNair and had less talent around him overall. He also took the Giants to the Super Bowl. Let's not forget he did that as a functional alcoholic. Again, I ask, who is RG3 stylistically comparable to, McNair or Collins?
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By the way, who's better/ least annoying, Kiper or McShay? Mel seems passionate, while McShay comes off like an ass.
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I wonder if the Colts will make a parade of their first pick even though everyone knows they've already decided to take Luck. I just don't get why they would wait almost the whole 15 minutes to make their pick when they already know, and have announced, who they're taking.
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2009- Stafford/Sanchez
2004- Rivers/Manning
2002- Carr/Harrington
1999- Couch/McNabb
1998- Manning/Leaf
1995- McNair/ Collins

Unless I'm reading your table of top 5 selected QB's wrong, your inane notion that RG3 and Luck both can't be good because they're in the same draft seems pretty inconclusive. In terms of numbers, Sanchez's first three seasons are almost identical to Eli's, he's improved every season and by the way, dude played pretty well during those two AFC championship runs in the playoffs. Stafford's team just got there, so I don't see how you can call anyone in that pairing a bust.

Philip Rivers is statistically the better quarterback than Eli, but Eli has more rings. I don't think either of those guys are a bust.

Carr and Harrington were both busts.

I'll give you Couch as a flop, but he went # and stylistically who is RG3 more comparable to, Tim Couch or Donovan McNabb.

I'll give you Leaf as well, but unless RG3 has an addictive personality/mental disorder, I don't see how they compare.

Kerry Collins may not have been as good as McNair statistically, but he put up some nice numbers and did start his career on an expansion team. He actually threw for more yards in his career than McNair and had less talent around him overall. He also took the Giants to the Super Bowl. Let's not forget he did that as a functional alcoholic. Again, I ask, who is RG3 stylistically comparable to, McNair or Collins?
Add Big Ben to 2004. The first 3 QBs taken that year are all pro bowlers for playoff teanms, and 2 of them have 2 rings each.

Who cares if they are 1/2 or 1/4

The point should be made about it being the first few qbs drafted.

I am back to hating Droford.
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Drofords support argument is less about QBs taken in the same draft, and more about how shotty the rate of 1st round qbs are.
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Add Big Ben to 2004. The first 3 QBs taken that year are all pro bowlers for playoff teanms, and 2 of them have 2 rings each.

Who cares if they are 1/2 or 1/4

The point should be made about it being the first few qbs drafted.

I am back to hating Droford.
It's just more low effort thinking on his part. When you actually dig deeper and compare the "busts" to either QB in terms of skill set, personality and the situations they're going into, you see how stupid the thought is.
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