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Old 05-15-2009, 04:32 AM   #241
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Kalyx, the rest of us don't play with toys. Posting that is pointless.
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Given the amount of porn and toys Kalyx posts, he was and still is the kid who if you go over to his house all of his toys are sticky.
Alright, fuckers, I suppose I actually had to write that this is gives us a look at all the Constructicons and their forms for the first time altogether by checking out this stylized toy of them. I was hoping I wouldn't have to write that shit, what with you guys being apt and all. But here I am.

Ladies and fucking idiots: this toy, however simplified for kids, reveals the whole Devastator team as well as their forms. Notice some forms are high concept and are not humanoid. Also, two of these guys were never revealed until this very pic dropped on the internets (top and mid right).

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Old 05-15-2009, 01:22 PM   #242
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So why is Megatron something different now. Something with wheels. Is this an answer only the movie will give, or do you know, Kalyx triaD?
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Old 05-15-2009, 03:30 PM   #243
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I didn't like the first movie. Hard to care about machines, there's no attachment to them for me at all. That movie was just a big pile of action sequences that meant nothing to me. Just thought I'd put that out there.
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You can't care about machines? What about R2D2? What about Short Circuit? Wall E? What about Arnie in T2?
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:29 PM   #245
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:37 PM   #246
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So why is Megatron something different now. Something with wheels. Is this an answer only the movie will give, or do you know, Kalyx triaD?
Yeah, Megatron's a Cybertronian tank now (with a bulkier, badass robot form to go with it). The reason is slightly pretentious... Spoilers:

When the Constructicons locate Megs at the bottom of the sea, they repair him with treads presumably from the Constructicon with a crawler-vehicle alt. form. They also donate parts of their spark to bring him to life. Essentially he's reformatted, and most TF fans get that because it's a major event in TF lore. The problem is they're not gonna call him Galvatron because the non-TF raised fan may get confused. But we know better so just replace anytime they say Megatron with Galvatron. And he has his arm cannon now.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:47 AM   #247
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I didn't like the first movie. Hard to care about machines, there's no attachment to them for me at all. That movie was just a big pile of action sequences that meant nothing to me. Just thought I'd put that out there.
It's not just a machine. It's Optimus fucking Prime. They even got the same guy from the cartoon to do the voice. What did you watch when you were a kid? PBS?
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:21 AM   #249
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Jeritron, you're talking about machines with personalities and character. In TF, there were none. There were 1980s teen angst cliches, and there were blurry actions sequences with giant terminators.
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Dark Knight. End of argument.
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Yeah lol, let's get some TDK level story-telling out of Trans-fucking-Formers. Good one.
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Yeah lol, let's get some TDK level story-telling out of Trans-fucking-Formers. Good one.

Batman is a comic book and a toy line. After the ridiculousness of the 60s and four shitty movies in the 90s, (Yes, 89 counts as a 90) they finally made two movies that were actually good.

Mr. Bay's movie was awful. A good movie can be made. Dark Knight is proof, I'd say, that when you put forth legitimate effort, you can make a pretty good movie out of a comic book and a toy line.
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Blah blah blah...

Mr. Bay's movie was awful...

blah blah blah.
When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.
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When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.
Hype makes something good?
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:35 AM   #258
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When you conclude one of the most hype, fun movies of 2007 as awful, it leaves you in suspect light.
Heck, I would offer the counter argument that if you think something is good because it was hyped, then your opinion is frail to begin with.
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Hype makes something good?
Yes you moron! And when I say hype I don't mean marketing. I mean Barricade's first transformation, and combat rolling into a fucking speedster for a car chase with The Used blasting in the background. I mean Megatron trashing his holding cell after announcing his name to people who called him NBE-1 for decades. I mean the Autobots falling out of the sky. I mean Bonecrusher hockey-checking a bus in half!

'Fuck is wrong with you!?
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Yes you moron! And when I say hype I don't mean marketing. I mean Barricade's first transformation, and combat rolling into a fucking speedster for a car chase with The Used blasting in the background. I mean Megatron trashing his holding cell after announcing his name to people who called him NBE-1 for decades. I mean the Autobots falling out of the sky. I mean Bonecrusher hockey-checking a bus in half!

'Fuck is wrong with you!?
Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.
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That's why you watch Fast and Furious shtick. Or SpikeTV.
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That also misses the point.
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No, you missed the damn point.
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No, you missed the damn point.
Do clarify. Unless your point is that fans of TransFormers don't deserve a real movie, because any generic action scenes with giant robots and of course hot chicks should suffice. Because you don't make franchise movies for the people who support the franchise; you make them for the generic crowd that might not even know what the franchise is.

If that's not your point, then yeah, I missed it.
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Do clarify. Unless your point is that fans of TransFormers don't deserve a real movie, because any generic action scenes with giant robots and of course hot chicks should suffice. Because you don't make franchise movies for the people who support the franchise; you make them for the generic crowd that might not even know what the franchise is.
YES! Yes, you pretentious prick!

You know what cult followings give you? Cult returns. That's what TF had for years. That's not how you expand at all. They've been getting by with toy lines and anime for a while, right. That was all good for Hasbro. But then the movie dropped and BOOM. Bitches know what an Optimus Prime is. Armada wasn't gonna do that. Beast Wars didn't even do that. What you fail to understand is Bay/Speilberg did the core fans a huge favor with a popcorn movie that was enjoyable on it's own merits. Now we have two movies, renewed interest, and all around new life. Maybe you were happy watching whack anime shit on Cartoon Network the last decade.

Now as far as story goes, yeah plenty of plot holes, illogical time lapses, and cheesy dialogue. Not nearly as bad as you're saying, but I know them. But Bay's TF was clearly being presented a certain way, and if you don't dig that particular way - you were predisposed against it to begin with. Have you ever heard of M. Bay?

If there's one silly thing TDK left behind is some unrealistic sense that any comic/cartoon/whatever can churn out a deep, involving story. A true film if you will. Can TF be that? One day maybe. But not now, and frankly it doesn't need that.
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The anime cartoons are not watchable. I couldn't even stomach Beast Wars. So none of that has anything to do with what I'm talking about. It sells bad looking toys to kids, but I was talking about the comic lines, which are just as serious, in relativity, as the Batman series.

As for TDK, you're taking the comparison too far. I don't expect any superhero/comic movie to do what that did, because Nolan was trying to make it NOT fantastic. Batman and his villians, for the most part, and not super. They're regular people doing amazing things. But they're still people. THings like Superman and Iron Man won't be able to achieve even the tone that TDK had let alone the story complexity. The reason to bring it up is that any comic book can be treated with respect and made into a damn fine movie. Except, like.. Archie. That would blow. But any movie can get either a shitty series (Tim Burton Batman Movies) or an excellent series (Nolan Batman Series). That was the point.

As for cults, I still call bullshit on that claim. The Nolan Batman movies just looked amazing, and that's simply talking about the trailers. They were a known name with an impressive preview, and it brought veiwers in. Bay's TF was nothing but special effects and cliche filler, so of course the trailers were packed with action shots. Aesthetically, to non fans, it looked great. But the movie was shit. And you got a lot of people going to see a movie that wasn't actually about TransFormers at all, because it had big terminators and action scenes. And hot chicks. Had TF had a real story, and characters and acting and stuff, then it'd probably been great. I woulda been thrilled if any of the transformers even looked like the characters they were supposed to be. In that case, it would have been even better. But it's a pretty bad movie, where characters are wrong, like in the shitty He-Man movie, and where the action is blurry and overdone, like in Bay's unwatchable classic "The Island", and where the personas are about as relevent as...well, they just aren't. But I digress...

My point is, if it had been a good movie, as hyped as it was and with a known name like TransFormers, it would have been big regardless. But it was bad, and it was still big, so you got a big reception for a shitty movie. Yay for Hollywood. Maybe they can make three progressively inferior sequels and then wise up and make a good one.
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I thought it was awesome for a toy/military/car marketing device. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.
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I thought it was awesome for a toy/military/car marketing device. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.
Oh, I enjoyed it. I hadn't laughed so much at an unintentional comedy in a long time. Being a bad movie doesn't make it unlikeable. Just makes it bad. That's why I brought up Batman in the first place.
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I was alright with Cloverfield. I wasn't all blown away like a lot of people, but I also didn't get seasick, as some had claimed. Plus, I found myself hoping that the last two people survived at the end, so it did its job in suckering me in. I'm not too big on a whole movie being done first person, but it was alright for what it was.
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I don't know who that is, but I recall all of the acting being decent.
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She's the dark skinned chick who joined Rob, Hud, and... the chick who blew up.
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Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.
You people are all the same. Every last one of you.

Had this argument like 50 times, so I'm not going to bother anymore. I just feel sorry for you.

That's all I have to say.
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Ha ha, You know what? It always amazes me, but everytime someone says "that was a good movie" and I say "What was good about it?", the answer is always the same: "The special effects were awesome!" Nobody ever says "the story made sense" or "the characters were compelling" or "I just really like cheesy, cheesy movies". You know what was awesome when it came out? Batman. You know what looks like crap now that Batman Begins came out? Batman.
Well you're talking out your ass because I think everyone who posts in these forums know that I'm very opinionated about movies, and I can be very hard on movies.
They also know that I hate shitty movies, and special effects or cheesiness are not the determining factors in my enjoyment of a movie. If anything they will make me enjoy it less.

So why, then, did I enjoy Transformers? Are you ready for it? This may be a first for you....it was fun.
And not fun as in "boy there were lots of explosions and the SFX were SICK!1!"
No. I think the characters were fun. The robots weren't as uninteresting as you will claim.
But the highlight of the movie for me was Shia Labeouf and his parents. They entertained me.
There you have it.
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and there was some wit and situational comedy that I enjoyed. Sure, it's not as smart or original as most of the comedy I enjoy.
It was "cheap", but it was funny. I laughed at some of the bits. One of the first that comes to mind is the song choices on Bumblebee's radio during the scene with Megan Fox.
It wasn't genius, but it was the type of thing I can chuckle at while I sit back enjoy myself in the theater.

The movie wasn't nearly as bad as your run of the mill shitty action flick. It was much better than any other Michael Bay movie.
It was much better than your average comic book movie, or Nicolas Cage/Brendan Fraser/Jason Statham shit.
Better than dance flicks or UFC movies, or the rest of the garbage that comes out.

I see a lot of movies. I hate a lot of movies. I think it's grossly unfair to call this movie "bad" just because it isn't a "great film"
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