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Old 01-21-2010, 06:33 AM   #201
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Again, comedy is subjective. Leno's show was bringing in all the ratings before Conan took over so clearly a lot of people love Leno too. I was watching some of his show last night, and he took another shot at Letterman. Lucky for me, AOL News posted something about it, saving me the trouble of having to type it out:

"Letterman has been hammering me every night, going after me," Leno said during Wednesday's monologue. "Hey Kev," he added, turning to bandleader Kevin Eubanks, "you know the best way to get Letterman to ignore you?

"Marry him. He will not bother you. He won't look you in the eye...Here we go, get the ride going!"
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:07 AM   #202
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:09 AM   #203
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I dunno if it has been posted (probably has) but I was reading some interview a few days ago where some dude from NBC called Conan a "failure" and said that Conan refused to listen to any advice from NBC about how to make the show appeal more to middle America.

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Old 01-21-2010, 08:45 AM   #204
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Pretty pissed off about all this happening, by the way. But I guess business is business and NBC and their affiliates need to keep making money through advo revenue.
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Again, comedy is subjective. Leno's show was bringing in all the ratings before Conan took over so clearly a lot of people love Leno too. I was watching some of his show last night, and he took another shot at Letterman. Lucky for me, AOL News posted something about it, saving me the trouble of having to type it out:

"Letterman has been hammering me every night, going after me," Leno said during Wednesday's monologue. "Hey Kev," he added, turning to bandleader Kevin Eubanks, "you know the best way to get Letterman to ignore you?

"Marry him. He will not bother you. He won't look you in the eye...Here we go, get the ride going!"
See, I don't find that funny. At all.
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Australia did not show the current episode of The Tonight Show last night. Mega-pissed. Missed the return of the Masturbating Bear -- which should have been coming. Fuck the world. There's no reason to live! Where's my kayak!?!
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NEW YORK (AP) - Conan O'Brien told NBC good riddance Thursday in a $45 million deal for his exit from "The Tonight Show," allowing Jay Leno to return to the late-night program he hosted for 17 years.

Under the deal, which came seven months after O'Brien took the reins from Leno, O'Brien will get more than $33 million, NBC said. The rest will go to his 200-strong staff in severance.

Compensation for O'Brien's staff and crew was the final hurdle in negotiations. O'Brien was said to have been "dug in" on the issue out of concern for the workers, while NBC said this week that it had already agreed to pay "millions of dollars to compensate every one of them" and deemed it a public relations "ploy."

On Wednesday night's show, speaking of a push to get a severance deal for his staff, O'Brien joked, "At first they thought I was gullible. They said the staff would be taken to a big farm, where they'd be allowed to run free forever."

O'Brien's final show will be Friday, with Tom Hanks scheduled to appear as well as Will Ferrell — his first guest as "Tonight" host last June.

Leno will return to "Tonight" on March 1.

"In the end, Conan was appreciative of the steps NBC made to take care of his staff and crew, and decided to supplement the severance they were getting out of his own pocket," his manager, Gavin Polone, told The Wall Street Journal. "Now he just wants to get back on the air as quickly as possible."

O'Brien will be free to begin another TV job as soon as September, NBC said. There has been much speculation on where he might go next. ABC (which airs "Nightline" and "Jimmy Kimmel Live!") has said it wasn't interested, while Fox, which lacks a network late-night show, expressed appreciation for his show — but nothing more. Comedy Central has also been mentioned.

A spokesman for O'Brien said he would be unavailable for comment.

O'Brien landed the "Tonight" show after successfully hosting "Late Night," which airs an hour later, since 1993. But he quickly stumbled in the ratings race against his CBS rival, David Letterman.

Under Leno, the "Tonight" show was the ratings champ at 11:35 p.m. Eastern, but he proved an instant flop with his experiment in prime time.

Last week NBC announced that the five-hour vacancy in prime time left by Leno will be filled by scripted and reality fare calculated to bring NBC affiliates a more robust lead-in audience for their local news than Leno had been delivering. A provisional slate of shows will include new and veteran NBC dramas, a comedy panel series produced by Jerry Seinfeld and "Dateline NBC."
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:25 AM   #211
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At first when I heard about the settlement, I was shocked at how low the severance was for his staff... Reading this I realized that NBC is giving them severance, and on top of that Conan is giving them money out of his buy out. Pretty cool.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:35 PM   #212
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I hope Letterman beats Leno forever, just so NBC can realize that they are fucking retards.
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I hope Letterman beats Leno forever, just so NBC can realize that they are fucking retards.
Some people were hoping the exact same thing in 1993 after NBC picked Leno to host the Tonight Show over Letterman, and it did happen.....but then Jay took over, and for the most part. has been the late night king EVER since, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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This situation is a little different from back then. Leno comes out of this looking worse than back then imo. Last time it was 2 guys wanting to replace someone, not the guy that was supposed to retire, doesn't and then 7 months later gets his show back.

Now I know this is mostly NBC's doing and not Leno's, just like last time, but people will see it as Leno being greedy and wanting the show back. Which will make them not want to watch.
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Some people were hoping the exact same thing in 1993 after NBC picked Leno to host the Tonight Show over Letterman, and it did happen.....but then Jay took over, and for the most part. has been the late night king EVER since, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Leno has seemingly been tarnished by this whole ordeal. Maybe the oldies will watch, but they will eventually die.
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With adults right now, Conan is almost beating Leno and Letterman COMBINED! He scored a 2.0 with the 18-49 demographic, which generates the most revenue.
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It will be interesting to see if Leno is able to reclaim his top spot. A lot of viewers went to Letterman. Will they return for Leno? It will also depend on what NBC cooks up for their 10:00 slot.

I'm not sure I buy that Leno's image is permanently tarnished. Viewers have short memories and there are only so many channels. Some people are saying they would boycott NBC over this, but I doubt their love for Conan outweighs their love for Jim and Pam.
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I'm not sure I buy that Leno's image is permanently tarnished. Viewers have short memories and there are only so many channels. Some people are saying they would boycott NBC over this, but I doubt their love for Conan outweighs their love for Jim and Pam.
That's why I never went the boycott route, as long as you replace "Jim and Pam" with "Jack and Liz."
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Jay Leno: `I have chosen to stay on the Titanic'

by Lynette Rice

Now that it’s official that Conan O’Brien is vacating The Tonight Show, Jay Leno made the following statement during today’s taping of The Jay Leno Show that will air tonight: “NBC and Conan O’Brien made an announcement earlier today – as many of you know – Conan is leaving the network. His final show airs tomorrow night. I have chosen to stay on the Titanic. I don’t believe the iceberg is that big, the biggest ship, this ship will never sink and Kev…when it does, Kev as it’s sinking you will play us…you’ll be here for us so. Apparently we’ll be back on The Tonight Show March 1 after the Olympics, so that’s pretty much where we are.”

Earlier today, NBC Entertainment Chairman Jeff Gaspin told EW.com that he expects Leno “will be competitive” when he returns to The Tonight Show and — despite the wave of pro-Conan O’Brien sentiment — that he will not have trouble luring stars to his old stomping grounds. “Jay has been booking guests for 18 years, and while there might be a guest or two who favors Conan who doesn’t want to come on, there are also guests who Leno has that don’t like to go on Conan,” said Gaspin. “I think we will be fine.”
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There will be no issues booking guests because 9 out of 10 are there to promote a new movie, show or album, and at the end of the day them and their studios will care more about the promotion than whether or not they like the host.
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I think any big names in the comedy business will bypass Leno most likely
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Leno probably won't be severly affected in the short term for ratings since NBC is going to give a month off for the Olympics so its gives Leno's show enough time to let most of the initial anti-Leno/NBC feelings to cool off a bit.

The issue is going to be how strong his "core" base is since the idea of 10pm show should have been even better in ratings due to more people available to watch than a late night time. NBC should have realized Leno doesn't have as strong of a base as was assumed during the whole mess they started when trying to get rid of Conan/shift the show times.
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NBC also now owns all of Conans created characters like the Masturbating Bear and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and any others that he used on either show so where ever he goes youve seen the last of them.

Also, he might not go to FOX but FX is interested since apparently TBS has done good with George Lopez, though that might be seen as a step down but if its all he can get for now he might want to take it..
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Conan has a lot of friends in high places. He'll be fine, I'm not too worried.
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:51 PM   #226
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I think he can get away by renaming it and changing some things here and there.
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Part of me wants Leno's audience to boo him his first night back.
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Old 01-23-2010, 05:03 AM   #228
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Part of me wants Leno's audience to boo him his first night back.
That would be amazing. lol
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I should say I do like Conan. I use to watch his show all the time. I had to stop watching late night TV however because I always had to get up early for work. From 1993-2005 however, I was a big time late night TV watcher. I always watched Jay and Conan. Then from 05' and on, I have not been a watcher of late night TV, but all this stuff going on with it has caused me to watch some more of it again.

I always thought Conan was funny. I wish he would have just been content with his Late Night show, then none of this would have happened. I do feel bad for him.

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NBC also now owns all of Conans created characters like the Masturbating Bear and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and any others that he used on either show so where ever he goes youve seen the last of them.

Also, he might not go to FOX but FX is interested since apparently TBS has done good with George Lopez, though that might be seen as a step down but if its all he can get for now he might want to take it..
Err. If he does that, his career is over, and I'm going to feel even more bad for him. His career will be in the dumper for sure then. A late night show on FOX is the only way to go. Of course, since Conan didn't do so good on NBC with the ratings, FOX may not be interested.

It is pretty depressing, and even though Conan is rich and famous, I still have compassion for him. And again, if it were all up to me, I'd have Jay remain host as Tonight Show, and Conan as the host of Late Night. Why fix what wasn't broken is my motto in life.

Anyhow, I doubt Jay will be booed on his first show back, so don't count it. Believe it or not, Jay has a lot more fan support then some might think. And I am glad Jay is at least staying.
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Zeeboe, of all the celebrities to worship, you choose Jay Leno.
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Zeeboe, do you know what a lead-in is?
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I still think if Conan goes to cable, Mon-Thurs on Comedy Central behind Stewart/Colbert would be the best thing ever.
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Zeeboe, of all the celebrities to worship, you choose Jay Leno.
I don't worship, but I was a big fan of his. I actually stopped watching him in 2005 because I thought he was getting way too mean to people, and it ticked me off. 05' was a bad year for me anyhow. But I ended up finally working, and had to say goodbye to my many late night adventures, including watching Jay and Conan.

I realize no one asked for my bio, but I felt a point needed to be made.

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Zeeboe, do you know what a lead-in is?
Yes, it's someone who starts the show, and warms the crowd up.

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I still think if Conan goes to cable, Mon-Thurs on Comedy Central behind Stewart/Colbert would be the best thing ever.
I think he could get a strong cult following if he did that perhaps. But sadly his chance to enter icon status may be gone, but I hope I'm wrong. He may become an icon to some, like the type of people that worship The Rocky Horror Picture Show and the Evil Dead, but as far as mainstream goes, Conan may sadly be remembered in the history of TV as a failure.
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I'm pretty sure Conan has been around way too long already to be considered a failure.
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Yeah, I think it's kinda hard to call a 20 year run a failure. Not to mention he walked away on his own.
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I know he's been around for a while, but as far as The Tonight Show goes, the plan he had in mind did fail. That is what I meant.
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No, that is not what a lead-in is at all. A lead-in is a show that precedes other shows. It should be a fairly popular show that people will watch in order to keep people watching for the next show on the same channel. So The Jay Leno Show would be a lead-in for the 11:00 local news. Make sense?

Due to The Jay Leno Show sucking so bad, local news affiliates around the country that had previously been number one dropped to three or four in their timeslot. What that means is that most likely people chose to watch something else at 10:00 and then stuck around for that channel's news.

If people are already watching CBS news at 11:00, that's part of the audience that will just leave the TV on for Letterman. It has nothing to do with who people think is funnier.
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I was getting a drink while Conan and everyone was playing that song, came back and saw the beginning of Fallon's show. First time I've ever liked something he's done.
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damndest - Well, I wasn't sure of what you meant when you asked that. I was even going to ask in what context you meant. But anyhow, in regards of Leno, I say let's wait and see how he does before people assume he sucks. He hosted the show for 17 years. Clearly he was doing something right.

Also, according to the polls on AOL, many people prefer Leno.
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Best recent run-in that worked very well was how Spike TV used TNA wrestling to lead into UFC when they 1st got the rights to UFC. Then once UFC got popular, they switched it around so that UFC now leads into TNA as a way to bring up TNA ratings.

Problem with NBC was they went too cheap and short term with making Leno as a 10pm show and when it wasn't working, they panicked and now its going to cost them millions they didn't want to spend in the 1st place.
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