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Old 01-04-2012, 11:47 PM   #4881
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You cant win it all if you dont make the playoffs.

and hey, the Ravens have the best record of any team over the last 4 years.

Not the Patriots, Saints, Colts, Packers, Cowboys or anyone else.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:50 PM   #4882
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But Mark Sanchez has made more AFC title games.

Therefore, Mark Sanchez > Joe Flacco.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:53 PM   #4883
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give Flacco a couple more weeks
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:56 PM   #4884
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Nope. Sanchez was 2 in his first 2 years. Flacco can never = Sanchez.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:57 PM   #4885
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Matt Ryan 0-2 in the playoffs
Who the fuck cares? Ryan doesn't have a great defense to support him during shitty games like Flacco does.

And hell, if I were a betting man, I'd be picking the Giants to win on Sunday. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not blind to the Falcons' inconsistencies. Matt Ryan still had a career year this year in his first year with the offense (mostly) under his control. The Falcons' defense, not offense, will likely be the deciding factor in their playoff games. I trust Matt and Co. to put up points. The only reason they might not put up enough points is, like I said before, a coaching decision. The Falcons are almost guaranteed to run ball control, while teams like the Packers and Saints will just score well past them.

And Matt Ryan can't throw a deep ball well to save his life. That doesn't help much either.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:01 AM   #4886
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You put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay yoo much stock in making the playoffs. If you don't win the Super Bowl making the playoffs don't mean shit.

Hey, remember that time Denver went to the playoffs three years in a row with Jake Plummer, once losing in the AFC championship game? Tell me, what does that mean to Denver now? Jack shit. Same thing as any other teams just making the playoffs

If you don't win it all, it doesn't fucking matter what you did
If it means getting back Plummer in his prime it means everything.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:01 AM   #4887
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Matt Ryan has lost to the two eventual NFC Super Bowl Teams in the wild card round..

should be good news for Giants fans (and for my dream rematch of Ravens/Giants in the Super Bowl)
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:06 AM   #4888
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You cant win it all if you dont make the playoffs
No shit, but my point stands. A season that doesn't end in a Super Bowl win is technically a losing season, playoff appearance or not

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and hey, the Ravens have the best record of any team over the last 4 years
And no championships, so what the fuck does that useless stat matter?
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:09 AM   #4889
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wrong!

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Old 01-05-2012, 12:11 AM   #4890
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Yes, because that's exactly what I meant. Division titles don't mean a damn thing other than being good for playoff seeding, so let's not act as if it's meaningful otherwise
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:23 AM   #4891
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I have to root for the Orioles so I over emphasize the Ravens ok..

I thought it was obvious.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:27 AM   #4892
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It's ok Droford, I understand.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:44 AM   #4893
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I love Trent Dilfer.

And Brian Billick.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:53 AM   #4894
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:09 AM   #4896
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Matthew Stafford probably had the greatest season in history that no one will ever talk about.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:49 AM   #4897
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Yah I was going to post about that. Should be getting mvp talk. No running game whatsoever and detroits defense stinks
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:47 AM   #4898
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Im kinda nervous, Ive endured two torturous victories for the opposing team in the playoffs. And after the Saints I really think we're not gonna show up, but I got faith and I think those defeats will fuel us past the suck ass Giants Falcons win by 2 leggoooooo
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:50 AM   #4899
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I love Trent Dilfer.

And Brian Billick.
No problem at all with Dilfer. I wish they had kept him as the QB, can't believe they let him go after winning the Super Bowl. Him going and Jamal Lewis getting hurt made 2001 terrible although they did still make the playoffs.

One of the reasons why Ravens fans like Flacco so much is because he's infinitely better than 99% of the QBs the Ravens have had. The only other guy who may have been better was McNair, and he got them a Division title and a bye before that awful loss to the colts in 06, but he was also past his prime. Dont even want to get started on Kyle Boller, who had the most wins at QB before Flacco (20). The Jeff Blake/Chris Redman/Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright years (02-05) were horrible, the only reason they won the division in 03 was because of Jamal's 2066 yard season.
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Yah I was going to post about that. Should be getting mvp talk. No running game whatsoever and detroits defense stinks
Indeed. With Brees, Brady & Rodgers playing the way they did, though, he got lost in the shuffle. A shame, really, since Ctafford did it with no real run game & had to be throwing all day as RP said.
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Are the Detroit Lions going to the Super Bowl a sign of the Appocalypse? The only other team that could be would be the Browns but I think that is more like a curse on the city of Cleveland since no one in Cleveland wins.

I think I will root for the Lions in the NFC. Plus I took them +11 vs the Saints. lol
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Matt Ryan has lost to the two eventual NFC Super Bowl Teams in the wild card round..

should be good news for Giants fans (and for my dream rematch of Ravens/Giants in the Super Bowl)
Green Bay was the divisional round.
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Old 01-05-2012, 11:00 AM   #4903
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Unitas did not play for the Indianapolis Colts. fuck that

Ravens are considered an expansion team. Fastest expansion team to ever win a championship in sports history too.
you fucking dolt...... it doesnt matter what they are "considered" now the fact is that they were an already in tact team that was relocated. The reason they had to make it an expansion was due to legal stuff with cleveland and sending their franchise history back there. The fact remains that the players on that championship ravens team were predominantly old cleveland browns players.

So if you want to go and say it was some accomplishment that they won a championship so fast after all they really had was a name change, then go ahead because you make yourself look like more of an ass than you already are.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:07 PM   #4905
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Are the Detroit Lions going to the Super Bowl a sign of the Appocalypse? The only other team that could be would be the Browns but I think that is more like a curse on the city of Cleveland since no one in Cleveland wins.

I think I will root for the Lions in the NFC. Plus I took them +11 vs the Saints. lol
Nah Detroit is actually good unlike the Browns but they have the same issue the Bengals had this season in having no wins against any teams in the playoffs (conference only).

Detroit is 0-5 vs NFC playoff teams while the Bengals are 0-6 vs AFC playoff teams. The only real difference is the Lions faced more offensive-dominate teams for those losses while the Bengals faced defensive-dominate teams.
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Ravens are considered an expansion team. Fastest expansion team to ever win a championship in sports history too.
Even if you count the Ravens as an expansion team, they won the Super Bowl in 5 years. Arizona Diamondbacks won the World Series in four years.
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The records/history is owned by Cleveland technically the Ravens were an expansion team.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:07 PM   #4910
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They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.
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Joe Flacco blows.

First Four Years:


QB
Rating
Wins
Playoff Wins
Comp
Att
Pct
Yards
TD
Int
FL
Joe Flacco
86
44
4
1190
1958
61
13816
80
46
14
Ryan
88.4
43
0
1232
2022
61
14238
95
46
9
Big Ben
92.5
39
5
908
1436
63
11673
84
54
8
Brees
83.2
21
0
802
1309
61
8772
56
38
5
Brady
86.1
37
3
954
1544
62
10333
69
38
12
Rodgers
91.8
6
0
376
595
63
4367
29
14
6
Favre
82.4
28
2
983
1575
62
10412
70
53
7
Peyton
85.1
32
0
1357
2226
61
16418
111
81
9
Montana
87.9
18
3
713
1130
63
8064
52
32
7
Marino
95.2
41
3
1249
2050
61
16177
142
67
18

He hardly "blows" Everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Matt Ryan won a Super Bowl and he's on par with every one of them through 4 years.
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They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.
Under the deal with the NFL, the expansion Cleveland Browns team that came in 1999 got to keep all of the Cleveland Browns history, so yes technically the Ravens were an expansion team.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:29 PM   #4913
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First Four Years:


QB
Rating
Wins
Playoff Wins
Comp
Att
Pct
Yards
TD
Int
FL
Joe Flacco
86
44
4
1190
1958
61
13816
80
46
14
Ryan
88.4
43
0
1232
2022
61
14238
95
46
9
Big Ben
92.5
39
5
908
1436
63
11673
84
54
8
Brees
83.2
21
0
802
1309
61
8772
56
38
5
Brady
86.1
37
3
954
1544
62
10333
69
38
12
Rodgers
91.8
6
0
376
595
63
4367
29
14
6
Favre
82.4
28
2
983
1575
62
10412
70
53
7
Peyton
85.1
32
0
1357
2226
61
16418
111
81
9
Montana
87.9
18
3
713
1130
63
8064
52
32
7
Marino
95.2
41
3
1249
2050
61
16177
142
67
18

He hardly "blows" Everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Matt Ryan won a Super Bowl and he's on par with every one of them through 4 years.

Oooo, his season stats. How about his total playoff stats?

Games: 7
Yards: 1050
YPG: 150
TDs: 4
INTs: 7

*Only 2 games with a rating over 80
*2 games with a rating under 20
*4 games with a completion % of 50 or less


Those are essentially Tebow's numbers, yet you'll hypocritically criticize Tim's stats in a win but worship Joe's ability to do enough. And you wonder why no one gives a shit about Flacco. He may be decent enough to get them to the playoffs, which honestly hasn't been that hard to do in the AFC recently, but he's only going to completely fuck up in the playoffs and be carried by his running game and defense
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Under the deal with the NFL, the expansion Cleveland Browns team that came in 1999 got to keep all of the Cleveland Browns history, so yes technically the Ravens were an expansion team.
It's not the history that determines an expansion team, you fucking idiot. The Ravens are the Browns the same way the Titans are the Oilers. Same team, different city, different name. Only difference is the city of Cleveland cared enough to fight to keep the history and name.

The Ravens are the Browns, deal with it
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They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.
Yeup the Ravens are a relocation team than an actual expansion team. The only thing the Ravens didn't keep was the old Browns history since that went to the current Browns who actually are an expansion team in a technical way.

The Ravens and current Browns do share the same history in terms of being descendants of the old Browns.
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It's not the history that determines an expansion team, you fucking idiot. The Ravens are the Browns the same way the Titans are the Oilers. Same team, different city, different name. Only difference is the city of Cleveland cared enough to fight to keep the history and name.

The Ravens are the Browns, deal with it
The Ravens are not the Browns, there is no official connection beyond the fact that some browns players played for the Ravens in 1996 and beyond.
And the only player from the Browns era that had any impact on the Ravens was Matt Stover. In fact after two years when they moved to the new stadium I think Stover was the only player left that had played for the Browns.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:41 PM   #4917
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Droford, you are quite the moron.
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I am not. The NFL officially recognizes that the Ravens never existed in any form prior to 1996. You can get a Cleveland Browns media guide and look up the history and it goes all the way back to the 50s to todays current team but it just doesn't include 1996-1998.
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Droford, the Browns relocated to Baltimore. Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and it was a huge and ridiculous controversy. It is still frowned upon to this day.

What are you talking about?
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The Ravens are not the Browns, there is no official connection beyond the fact that some browns players played for the Ravens in 1996 and beyond.
And the only player from the Browns era that had any impact on the Ravens was Matt Stover. In fact after two years when they moved to the new stadium I think Stover was the only player left that had played for the Browns.
OFFICIALLY there is no connection, but anyone with a brain (may be why you're struggling with this) knows that the Ravens in '96 were the '95 Browns with additions. So there was massive overhaul? So the fuck what? How many of the Seahawks this year were there before Carroll a couple years ago? It happens any time a team gets a new HC, doesn't make the identity any different. How much impact they had is irrelevant
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