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Old 09-16-2016, 11:59 PM   #601
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But goddammit that crowd was terrible.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:12 AM   #602
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It really left a sour taste, that's all.
The crowd went nuts for the announcement. Made the match all the better. He has, for the most part, cooled off in NXT making appearances. He has always made the moments more special though.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:14 AM   #603
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Perkins' little moments on the mic were really well done. I don't know if he's that well spoken or someone helped him put them together, but kudos to whoever was behind that.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:15 AM   #604
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I'm sure we'll get a future documentary called "Behind the CWC" that makes sure to show Triple H coaching Perkins on his promos.
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What an amazing tournament.

Wasn't big on Perkins at the start, but he really grew on me. Happy he won.
They really wanted ZSJ Vs. Ibushi. I don't blame them. Shouldn't have had non-contracted guys make it that far. They did a major disservice. They should have had a 3rd place match instead of that tag.
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I fucking hate some of those chants. Ugh.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:19 AM   #607
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One of those chants gave a guy a contract.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:35 AM   #608
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Oh, bullshit.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:36 AM   #609
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Are you talking about Cedric Alexander? As if he wasn't going to be signed in the first place.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:39 AM   #610
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I will point out the effectiveness of presenting things in this "realistic" manner. People actually buy that this got Cedric Alexander signed because whoever said that (Mauro, Bryan, Triple H -- I can't remember) are lended an authenticity that the world of professional wrestling usually doesn't have, and it seems like people actually bought it.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:43 AM   #611
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On the note of Cedric Alexander: I would like to see an Alexander vs. Caprice Coleman feud on the main roster. Have Coleman attack Alexander and talk about how Alexander took his mentoring and used it to springboard to the main roster and left Coleman in the dust.

At first, Alexander doesn't want to fight Coleman. It leads to Old Man Coleman coming out and slapping Alexander in the face and insulting him on real personal levels to get some hatred out of him. Eventually, Coleman says something that makes Alexander snap and you've got yourself a great PPV mid-card match.
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Old 09-17-2016, 04:08 AM   #612
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Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.
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Kinda wish Veda Scott would have come with Cedric, though. She just really fucking does it for me.
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Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.
Nah, he's still in ROH in a stable called The Cabinet with Rhett Titus and Kenny King. Kind of a Donald Trump gimmick trying to make wrestling great again.
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Did Coleman sign? I think Cedric outclasses him by some distance.
Coleman hasn't signed, I'd just like to see it. I liked Coleman when I saw him on Velocity a few years ago. He reminded me of a skinnier Shelton Benjamin, whereas there was this guy whose name is at the tip of my tongue that reminded me of a skinnier Charlie Haas. I always wanted to see them team up, lol.
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Kinda wish Veda Scott would have come with Cedric, though. She just really fucking does it for me.
I heard an interview with Veda Scott a few months ago and it sounded like she had no interest in signing. But I'm not sure if that's just because she hasn't had a serious offer made to her.
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Triple H coming out to present the title is great. No reason to complain about that of all things... "That dastardly Triple H putting over this cruiserweight title and the competitors in the awesome tournament that everyone loved that he put together. What a selfish prick!"
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On the note of Cedric Alexander: I would like to see an Alexander vs. Caprice Coleman feud on the main roster. Have Coleman attack Alexander and talk about how Alexander took his mentoring and used it to springboard to the main roster and left Coleman in the dust.

and you've got yourself a great PPV mid-card match.
So you basically want to have the same storyline Owens-Zayn have, just replace mentor with tag team partner.

And Coleman is so bland... you're not gonna get a good match out of him... especially on WWE ppv...

I just don't get it. You complain nonstop lately about how WWE is terrible, and one of your solutions is to bring Caprice Coleman in to feud with Cedric Alexander...
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Nah, he's still in ROH in a stable called The Cabinet with Rhett Titus and Kenny King. Kind of a Donald Trump gimmick trying to make wrestling great again.
Yeah, I've been watching. They fucking suck. I liked Kenny King in TNA when he was with MVP and Lashley, but he's lost a lot of luster in this stable. Also, Rhett Titus is super annoying to even look at. They're all so over-the-top, but not in a good way. Like a "LOOK HOW HARD WE ARE TRYING" way. It's dumb as fuck.

I was watching a Caprice Coleman/Dalton Castle match the other day, and Dalton was showing how to do over-the-top the right way. Caprice came off as a knob. And yes, I know he was a heel. But he wasn't very effective, I don't feel.
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Also, are they not aware that JBL's stable was also called The Cabinet? Or does the seven year rule apply to stable names too?
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Not liking them either. They definitely are not making wrestling great again. Like Kenny as well and him and Titus alone as the All Night Express are lot better. Never been impressed with Colemen either, does always seem like he's trying to hard and The Cabinet really shows it. Also wondered why they went with The Cabinet as the name.
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Are they really trying to piggyback off of Donald Trump's heel heat?
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I guess, kind of weird with group of guys that they have. The make wrestling great again thing is just kind of cheap. Doesn't seem like it fits any of their characters.
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And why on earth would you need a "Minister of Information"? Just sounds stupid.
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So you basically want to have the same storyline Owens-Zayn have, just replace mentor with tag team partner.

And Coleman is so bland... you're not gonna get a good match out of him... especially on WWE ppv...

I just don't get it. You complain nonstop lately about how WWE is terrible, and one of your solutions is to bring Caprice Coleman in to feud with Cedric Alexander...
Yeah, a wrestling feud. Fancy that.

You're right. I shouldn't have claimed that it would save the entire WWE. Oh wait -- I didn't.
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Old 09-18-2016, 04:17 AM   #628
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Did he say you claimed that?
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Old 09-18-2016, 06:49 AM   #629
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He changes scope with his last sentence. He relates me being slightly amused by the idea of Caprice Coleman coming in as someone to enhance Cedric Alexander to my general disposition on the entire company. It not only doesn't really make sense, but implicit in it is the idea that I am somehow linking that specific idea with overall quality. I wasn't.
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Old 09-18-2016, 06:57 AM   #630
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But I may have misinterpreted what he meant. If he meant he didn't like the idea, he could have said "Nah, that's shit," and I'd probably agree most days, but the last sentence threw me.
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Not sure what he implies, but he explicitly says "one of your solutions" which itself implies that he knows it's one idea and not what you consider to be the panacea to all of WWE's ills.

Think you might have gone on the defensive a little too hard.
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Eh, I'll accept that. Sorry, mike adamle.
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Old 09-19-2016, 12:10 PM   #633
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He changes scope with his last sentence. He relates me being slightly amused by the idea of Caprice Coleman coming in as someone to enhance Cedric Alexander to my general disposition on the entire company. It not only doesn't really make sense, but implicit in it is the idea that I am somehow linking that specific idea with overall quality. I wasn't.
Having an ROH jobber come in to "enhance" Cedric Alexander???

I get that they had a tag team in ROH (2 years ago...) but WWE doesn't have a clue who Caprice Coleman is, neither do the fans... neither do most of ROH's fans for that matter.

Talk about not making sense.

And whether you're "comparing" it or not you're suggesting the idea of bringing in Caprice Coleman, which would suggest that would be one of the things you would do to turn Raw into something you would enjoy more.
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Eh, I'll accept that. Sorry, mike adamle.
I accept your apology. I get what I said might not be what you wanted to hear, but lately you've been a little delusional. I'm not trying to get under your skin, moreso just trying to get you to understand that not everyone has the taste for what you want.

You act like it's WWE's fault that it's not catering to you sometimes. It gets annoying. Just try to relax man. This is a wrestling forum where people come to talk about what they enjoy. Sure there are also criticisms to be made. But coming into every thread and derailing it with "man if you like WWE right now you must like eating shit too. If they brought in the team of Caprice Coleman and Tom Phillips and had Kevin Owens manage them and put Ivory on as their agent for every segment that'd help!" Like no one cares about that man. I'll give you the Kevin Owens thing, it is a suggestion for something current (even if I completely disagree with it) but the rest of it just makes everyone like at you like "come on dude."

I doubt you'll take any of what I said and use it but at least I tried. Hope you come back around to fun loving Noid. Sorry you're going through a rough time. Hope all is well.
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Having an ROH jobber come in to "enhance" Cedric Alexander???

I get that they had a tag team in ROH (2 years ago...) but WWE doesn't have a clue who Caprice Coleman is, neither do the fans... neither do most of ROH's fans for that matter.

Talk about not making sense.

And whether you're "comparing" it or not you're suggesting the idea of bringing in Caprice Coleman, which would suggest that would be one of the things you would do to turn Raw into something you would enjoy more.
That's why you turn it into a story. You explain who this guy is, like you have to explain who everybody is. You can sell him as the "trainer" to Coleman, if you'd like. Alexander can do sit-down interviews with Michael Cole and explain that it breaks his heart that his friend can't be happy for him making it to the WWE. He had to trim down 22lbs to even get a shot, and a guy who helped teach him is so bitter he has come along to try and shit on his parade. Coleman can do interviews where he says that they were supposed to make it the WWE as a tag team, but Alexander got the CWC spot and WWE had no interest in him because of his age. He spent so much time grooming Alexander to help him make a living on the indies, but now he's got no partner, no friend and nothing left to lose.

You don't mention that he's a jobber -- like you don't mention Sami Zayn was a masked luchador in ROH, or like you don't mention Triple H is an aristocrat anymore. I like the idea of guys having personalized opponents -- guys that are there for the specific function of getting another guy over or telling a specific story. It's an old-school thing, but I think it would still work today.

I'd honestly prefer that to Cedric Alexander working the same match with Jack Gallagher every week, as much as I do love Jack Gallagher. I'm calling for more personal stories that are designed to get the few guys you have that could become compelling attractions, if not "stars." The current WWE style of everybody just plugging in is not going to change, but I think it would be something that would dramatically help.
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I accept your apology. I get what I said might not be what you wanted to hear, but lately you've been a little delusional. I'm not trying to get under your skin, moreso just trying to get you to understand that not everyone has the taste for what you want.

You act like it's WWE's fault that it's not catering to you sometimes. It gets annoying. Just try to relax man. This is a wrestling forum where people come to talk about what they enjoy. Sure there are also criticisms to be made. But coming into every thread and derailing it with "man if you like WWE right now you must like eating shit too. If they brought in the team of Caprice Coleman and Tom Phillips and had Kevin Owens manage them and put Ivory on as their agent for every segment that'd help!" Like no one cares about that man. I'll give you the Kevin Owens thing, it is a suggestion for something current (even if I completely disagree with it) but the rest of it just makes everyone like at you like "come on dude."

I doubt you'll take any of what I said and use it but at least I tried. Hope you come back around to fun loving Noid. Sorry you're going through a rough time. Hope all is well.
Not everybody has to like what I want. I've said countless times "Like it all you want," and I do sincerely mean that. But I've become so frustrated by how poor the current product is that I've lost patience for it, and I'm going to point it out. You say I'm "delusional," but I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that the product is largely stale.

Maybe the mistake I'm making is watching old wrestling, listening to people who know wrestling talk about why it isn't working, and listening to SCG Radio podcasts about the Attitude era? I've become nostalgic for a time when I didn't even watch, because things used to matter.

And thanks for asking, but everything is wonderful. Right back at you, man. By the way, just so you know, while I stand by points about the product being stale -- a lot of my ideas are suggested somewhat in jest -- eg. when I fantasy-booked Renee Young to a Royal Rumble victory. I don't actually want to see that happen. I think I should just clarify that I come on here to shoot the breeze about wrestling, not audition for a Writers Guild Award. And my perceived anger is largely gimmick. I don't hold genuine malice towards anyone.

That being said, wrestling is currently shit.
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