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Old 05-25-2010, 09:56 AM   #1641
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Something I overlooked when watching but Lostpedia brought to my attention, the relation to Juliet's "It worked" at the beginning and end of the season
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The writers are in a tough spot too...Take for instance the outrigger scene...They said when they introduced it last season, they absolutely knew who was on the other boat...

However, this season, with some of the characters having all ready been killed off, it became too hard to write it into the narrative and get the actors back so they chose to cut it.

They are in a lose lose situation: If they cut it, people complain. If they change it from what it was, then people complain they didnt know what they were doing with it, etc. etc.
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Something I overlooked when watching but Lostpedia brought to my attention, the relation to Juliet's "It worked" at the beginning and end of the season
Yeah it was pretty cool writing I thought because everyone at the time assumed she meant the bomb.

I also completely forgot that Jack's appendectomy scar was actually where Locke stabbed him.

Also, I couldnt figure out why they called Desmond's episode "Happily Ever After"...but I get it now
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I'm just glad they stuck with a meaningful ending rather than a forced one that tried to cram answers
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I'm just glad they stuck with a meaningful ending rather than a forced one that tried to cram answers
me too. The more I think about it the more I liked it. Especially that last scene of Jack dying.
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I could understand the people wanting more about the ancient temple dwellers, but there's plenty of information to be gathered about them. It's just scattered around.
It's also cool to have at least one chapter of island history that isn't fully explored.
They went back and showed everything about Dharma, and The Black Rock, and WWII, and even went B.C and showed the life of Jacob and MIB.
There's really not much more to learn about the temple people. I like it being kept to clues and imagination. Ultimately it's not really important anyways. We just know they came along and worshipped the mysteries of the island, and MIB apparently fucked with them.
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Yeah I'm havin a discussion now with a mate of mine who didn't like the ending and feels it made the entire series pointless. His arguments are ridiculous though.
I'm interested to hear why he says it was pointless. I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that everyone ends up in an afterlife anyways?

If it's that, it's just as easy to say that it would all be pointless if they didn't end up in an afterlife anyways.

Life is life, and death is death, regardless of what really happens afterwards. Everything that happens on the island and reality does matter. This is because the stakes of the future, and of the personal and emotional journeys is all real. Especially since the show is about destiny and fate. Jack's need to fix things and complete his purpose is very real. So is the need to protect the Island and stop MIB. And Jack wanting Kate to be safe and grow old, and succeed in getting Claire back to Aaron.
and everything that ever happened on the show.

People always die some day anyways. This goes for any story. Whether there's an afterlife or not doesn't really change what they did in real life.
The only difference is Lost showed it, for the purposes of emotional closure for the characters.
I think it's great that the writers addressed this in the finale. Desmond tried to tell Jack he shouldn't care anymore, and Jack explained how it all still mattered.
They did a lot to put across the importance of what was going on in the reality timeline, and what would continue to go on in the future.

If it's not that, I felt like talking about this anyways.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:14 AM   #1648
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Also, we knew there was such thing as an afterlife in Lost anyways, since it's a heavily spiritual and supernatural show, and there are multiple characters who can commune with the dead.
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I'm interested to hear why he says it was pointless. I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that everyone ends up in an afterlife anyways?
He began saying stuff like "How is it all possible though? If there can be smoke monsters, then why can't other stuff happen? Like why can't Sawyer fly for example, their science fiction makes some stuff possible and others not"

After that I told him he was utterly ridiculous and he stopped talking.
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Also, we knew there was such thing as an afterlife in Lost anyways, since it's a heavily spiritual and supernatural show, and there are multiple characters who can commune with the dead.
Agree 100%.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:23 AM   #1651
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He began saying stuff like "How is it all possible though? If there can be smoke monsters, then why can't other stuff happen? Like why can't Sawyer fly for example, their science fiction makes some stuff possible and others not"

After that I told him he was utterly ridiculous and he stopped talking.
Well that is just ridiculous. Every show, every story has to have its own borders and boundaries.
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They set the rules pretty good too. It's not like Smokey and the Island just have their powers because they feel like it.
Characters like Hurley, Miles and Walt are clearly just gifted individuals. The rest is stuff happening on the island, not superpowered characters.
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lol I remember thinking he was cutting it a bit close with that hiding spot. The angle could make the bush seem closer to Locke than it really is though
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lol, true. But still, come on. Surely there must have been a better spot to have him hide
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What did the bomb do exactly? Is that the reason why the island is at the bottom of the ocean? Because it's "dead" in this afterlife? The bomb "killed" it?

Do I have that right?
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I agree, it's awful. It's not like he couldn't see them from those thick woods further back.
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What did the bomb do exactly? Is that the reason why the island is at the bottom of the ocean? Because it's "dead" in this afterlife? The bomb "killed" it?

Do I have that right?
Bomb knocked them back to 2007, but they still crashed on the Island. So what really brought the plane down?
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What did the bomb do exactly? Is that the reason why it's at the bottom of the ocean? Because it's "dead" in this afterlife? The bomb "killed" it?

Do I have that right?
In the afterlife the island is a distant memory, and I guess that's why it's dead and not a factor. That's just a way of showing it.

The Bomb didn't have anything to do with anything in the afterlife though. The Bomb either never went off, or was neutralized by the electromagnetic pocket.
Whatever happened there was The Incident, and the Dharma initiative just sealed the area off and finished the hatch, and remembered it all as a bunch of crazy bastards causing mayhem.
Jack and Co. magically travelled back to 2007 right after. I don't know if The Incident caused that, or just The Island's will. Probably both.
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Funny to think that they caused the need for the button, which in turned caused their plane to crash on the Island.

I also loved how everyone who came to the Island crashed their in one way or another. Jacob brought them there, and then they were forced to stay there.
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what was the origin of the ship Jacob and MIB's real pregnant mother came on? That was also the same boat that the society MIB joined up with came on, I gathered.
It was around 2000 years ago, so was it Romans or something?

I know they spoke English, but that was obviously to prevent having the entire episode subtitled.
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what was the origin of the ship Jacob and MIB's real pregnant mother came on? That was also the same boat that the society MIB joined up with came on, I gathered.
It was around 2000 years ago, so was it Romans or something?

I know they spoke English, but that was obviously to prevent having the entire episode subtitled.
No idea the date...Lostpedia lists it as Classical Roman Times, but not entirely sure.

They seem to pre date the Egyptians coming to the Island, but the cork in the Island seemed to have some hieroglypics on it, so im not entirely sure.

There were some people who thought the Mother time traveled because she could speak English in that episode, ha.
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They were speaking Latin at first and there was an out place music cue and tthey were speaking english. I think it was an out of place piano note or something.

I took that as the director's way of saying "we're not subtitling this whole damn thing, so they'll speak english but they are really speaking latin".
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They were speaking Latin at first and there was an out place music cue and tthey were speaking english. I think it was an out of place piano note or something.

I took that as the director's way of saying "we're not subtitling this whole damn thing, so they'll speak english but they are really speaking latin".
thats exactly what it was, but apparently some people missed that
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Yea, that's a good move by them. You can't really expect the actors to learn new dialects over night and act well in them.

Interesting that the ancient people could be Egyptians on the Island.

I wonder where the cork chamber came from, if it was there before Jacob and MIB even arrived.
Maybe Mother's people? Assuming of course that it's man made. I know it looks definitely man made, but maybe it's just there. Or maybe there was something more natural keeping the light on, and it got fucked with and that scary crack in the ground had to be plugged, and that room was built to fix it.
Sort of like a prehistoric Swan site. Only with The Source, which is more important.

I wouldn't be suprised if that room, and Mother date back to an original, indigenous people.
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See, there's still plenty of cool mythology things, even up through the last episode.
Personally, I'm happy that it's something to still talk about, because it's really not important to answer.
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I also bet they'll give some interesting clues about the cork chamber on the DVD. They've said there will be a 30 +/- minute documentary on the set that "answers" some minor mythology things.
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See, there's still plenty of cool mythology things, even up through the last episode.
Personally, I'm happy that it's something to still talk about, because it's really not important to answer.
I think its great to be left open and talk about. Like discovering the pyramids or the Sphinx and wondering what their purpose was, who built them, how did they build them, etc.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:48 AM   #1669
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The inside of The Temple and the Healing Spring were other awesome things introduced this season.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:53 AM   #1670
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I like the idea of the stuff built in the Heart of the Island being sort of a man-made correction, a la The Swan site.
I think it's clear that The Heart of the Island is and always was the most important site, and the source of the island. At some point, though, someone probably put that cork there. Maybe there was a natural cork there first.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:54 AM   #1671
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I was reading the thread over at aintitcoolnews....

Some people saying Walt was the focus of season 2 and couldnt believe he was never resolved. Walt was in like 3 episodes of season 2.

I cant believe some people actually made it through 6 years of this show, and then reacted like they did.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:57 AM   #1672
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I like the idea of the stuff built in the Heart of the Island being sort of a man-made correction, a la The Swan site.
I think it's clear that The Heart of the Island is and always was the most important site, and the source of the island. At some point, though, someone probably put that cork there. Maybe there was a natural cork there first.
The show has done a great job of taking something like the Hatch, and using it as a greater example of another idea in the show.

For instance, Desmond was the fail safe for the Island just as he had turned the fail safe for the Hatch.

I always thought the groups of people killed on the Island over its history was sort of like pushing the button to reset things in the Hatch.

Stuff like that
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:59 AM   #1673
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I honestly think the importance of Walt is being overblown, by far. Yes, there was definitely something to him, and they may have abandoned it, but it was never even close to the focus of the show, or anything major.
He had strange abilities, but so do Hurley and Miles. I really think it's as simple as that.
He was special, but Ben let him go because he needed Jack, so he could save his own ass from cancer.
It's really as simple as that.

Actually, that's probably what that guy was getting at, but he's missing the point. Walt was being held hostage by The Others so they could rescue Ben, and so Ben could get Jack's services. That doesn't mean the season was about Walt though, or even that he was important. He was being used as a tool by Ben because he was a child and he could manipulate Michael.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:02 PM   #1674
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It really seems like some people have been so eager to be let down by this. They would really prefer a National Geographic episode of how everything on the island works as opposed to the story of Lost.
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So true. Speaking of that, there's actually a great Unsolved Mysteries type mockumentary about the Dharma Initiative, from the real world's blurred perspective as if it were real, on the Season 5 DVD set.

There's also an Oceanic 6 conspiracy mockumentary, that exposes the shady facts about the group from the mainland's perspective. That's on the season 4 dvd set.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:15 PM   #1676
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That Oceanic 6 mockumentary is brilliant.

I have to wonder how a lot of the moaners have watched the show. For example, I have watched since day 1...well, since it debuted on Channel 4 over here in the UK. I've then gone out of my way to watch every episode as soon as possible through downloads or streaming sites. I also have seasons 1 -5 on DVD and watched them all through again ahead of season 6. In the end I was happy with the finale.

Now, my friend, who got into the show on my insistence, watched all of the DVDs back-to-back in a span of less than 6 months. He didn't like the ending.

Was he spoiled in watching on DVD? Did he not get the same level of commitment to the show/connection with the characters as those who have watched for the last 6 years?
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:24 PM   #1677
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I watched seasons 1-4 on DVD, and all of season 5 online in a short time period last summer.
I watched Season 6 in it's original airings this season.
I got into the show on a big level, and enjoyed the finale immensely.

So I don't think it's a matter of when or in what format the show was viewed. Some probably didn't gain the same level of connection the characters and material, but that's probably more a personal thing than when they watched the episodes.
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That Oceanic 6 mockumentary is brilliant.

I have to wonder how a lot of the moaners have watched the show. For example, I have watched since day 1...well, since it debuted on Channel 4 over here in the UK. I've then gone out of my way to watch every episode as soon as possible through downloads or streaming sites. I also have seasons 1 -5 on DVD and watched them all through again ahead of season 6. In the end I was happy with the finale.

Now, my friend, who got into the show on my insistence, watched all of the DVDs back-to-back in a span of less than 6 months. He didn't like the ending.

Was he spoiled in watching on DVD? Did he not get the same level of commitment to the show/connection with the characters as those who have watched for the last 6 years?
I don't think the method of watching the show really matters, or how long ago you got into it.

I'm like you and have watched it from day one on Channel 4 and have each series on DVD, and I have gotten many of my friends into it at various different times, some of them loved the finale, some of them didn't.

Also, I may be wrong but Jeritron didn't you only begin watching Lost at a later point yet loved the finale? EDIT: you got in there before me
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I actually watched seasons 1 and 2 in the summer of 2008, but got sidetracked with work and school and stopped. Once I got out of the flow, it took a while before I sat down and watched seasons 3-5, but I got incredibly into it at that point.
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I also watched the entire show, seasons 1-5 through a second time when I was on medical hiatus in the fall. I watched the pilot again last night, and I think I'm going to watch through again over the course of the summer, because I think it will be pretty awesome now that the show is over.
I think it's safe to say I'm obsessed.
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