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Old 01-05-2017, 04:38 PM   #41
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New Japan is obviously still in a state of rebuilding after losing AJ Styles, Nakamura, Anderson & Gallows. They've obviously moving forward with talent like Omega and Elgin, but I'd like to know who you would choose, if you have an opinion, to be built up as the future of New Japan.

I've never really gotten into a flow of watching New Japan, so this might be a completely inappropriate suggestion, but I feel Shibata has a bad-ass charisma that could lend itself well to the main event scene. Is there anyone not currently in Japan that you'd like to see them bring over and build around?
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Shibatas great and it looks like he might feud with Osprey which would be interesting. Suzuki Gun have just come back as a faction and they're looking to get Okada it seems.

Just don't sleep on Omega because of "faces" or whatever dumb reason though. AJ Styles has lots of stupid faces all the time and Omega and Okada probably had a match that AJ's NJPW body of work may not have beaten. Going to take some re-watches.

Hell, Omega's G1 and his finals match with Naito were outstanding to. The booker has called him the best forigener in NJPW so thankfully we should see Omega up top for a while yet. I know he doesn't want to go to WWE, but I wonder what will happen when they come knocking and they offer him an AJ deal.
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I'll go and re-watch that match. I just struggle to find I get into Omega. I do like that he walked away from WWE to get better though. I admire CJ Parker for the same reason. Honestly think that dude is going to end up back in the WWE and be a relatively big deal for them. He fits that "WWE mold" thing, even though he looks a bit like a giant Peter Dinklage.
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This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?
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Yeah, CJ looked good too. Still hasn't found a character which would be the only thing holding him back in WWE. Think if Wade feels like wrestling again, he'll likely end up over there.
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This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?
Because Ibushi wanted to. He just gets to do whatever stupid thing makes him happy, like he wrestles occasionally at a tiny US Indie that has people dressed up as Godzilla and scale model cities in the ring because he finds it fun.

It's not even a Japanese thing. It's an Ibushi thing.
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This might be a Japanese thing that I don't get, but I really wish Ibushi was just Ibushi. It sounds like his match was over really quick too. The Tiger the Black gimmick will probably help ACH gain some notoriety, but why is Ibushi doing this Tiger Mask W thing?
Like Hasney said, its because he really wanted to do it when it got announced the Tiger vs Tiger match was happening. Probably is a big fan of the anime as well which made it easier for him to make the decision.

He's made it clear several times recently he really loves being a freelancer and doing a wide variety of things than having to be stuck in a certain company or style of wrestling. NJPW tried as much as the WWE in recent times to get him to stay but he kept refusing.
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I actually LOVED the Tiger Mask W vs Tigre Dark match.... so cool, simple, great big show opener. I'm a big fan of Kota and how he works his career his way.

This show meant a lot to me, staying up so late to see it. Made me feel like a kid. I was literally on the WON board and reading the thread just about three hours before and I was like "man just do it for your 14 year old Best of Super Junior Cup tape trading ass".

And Noid I don't think NJPW is in a rebuilding phase. They have four huge stars, Tana, Okada, Kenny, and Shibata. A strong crew of undercards, and Juniors that can draw. Maybe Cody gets hot, then boom, back on top with the best roster in the world.
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I'd put Naito up there as well as a big star. Insanely over and easily a top performer.
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Naito has had a tremendous year or so. I just cannot accept Omega as a top star. I don't know what it is, but he reminds me of Seth Rollins as WWE Champion. There's something...well, yeah, he's technically there about it. This is just my perception. AJ Styles had this big time feel about him, and Devitt carved out this niche in the Junior Heavyweight Division. They feel like gaijin "stars" tome. Omega feels like a dude you plug into their spot. I dunno, maybe I am being cynical. I know they gave him the G1 and that tournament is pretty prestigious.
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Do you think NJPW has too many championships? It's a bit of a gag how many belts there are. If you were to condense the number of accolades in New Japan, which titles do you cull?

I'd keep:

* The IWGP Heavyweight Title. Obviously.

* The IC Title. I think it has successfully been established as an A2 championship. The IC Title is more meaningful to New Japan than the Universal Title is to the WWE, for example. Tanahashi and Nakamura deserve a lot of praise for that, and now Naito makes it look like a big deal.

* The Junior Heavyweight Title. Building around KUSHIDA seems like a smart idea. Maybe Will Ospreay will become something more "dense" and be able to hang in the division. I'm sure there are other guys coming through that can add to this division too. I feel this is where Kenny Omega's niche should be, but many would probably disagree.

* A set of Tag Titles. Probably not the Junior Tag Team Titles, because I feel that they are kind of thrown on two guys and just used in spotfests that people are getting way too used to. Probably just keep the IWGP Tag Titles and move them away from teams that are, well, shit.

* NEVER Openweight Title. You can't always see what they are planning to do with this belt, but that does somewhat make it interesting. At the very least, this can be the mid-card title that the IC belt really isn't.
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Well... Fuck.

Could WWE really get NJPWs top gaijin two years in a row and shove him in the Rumble?
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I mean, Omega just days ago was quoted as saying that the WWE Title means absolutely nothing because they hot potato it. And like a week ago he expressed annoyance at them trying to monopolize wrestling.

SEEMS tough to imagine that he'd say all of these things if he were actually going to WWE, but then again who knows.
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Well either his tweet is a work, or his WWE talk is a work... Or he's going to wrestle around with Ibushi and have fun again. These fucking carnies, man.
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Kenny just knows how to build his own hype. It makes sense for him to chill out for a bit and let everyone come down from the orgasm that was that match.
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Omega is right there as an emerging star. He's had one of the greatest progressions I've seen over the last year. I think if you watched his matches and character work, Noid, you'd come around.

The difference I see between Omega and Rollins is that Rollins is limited in what he can say and do, and comes off scripted and not at all genuine. Omega, on the other hand, comes off as a natural and its as if he's just being his annoying ridiculous self.

Granted that's likely the environment they're in as Rollins is handed scripts and Omega probably isn't. But it's nonetheless a big difference.

And I agree with the choice of what belts to keep. I don't mind the Jr heavyweight tag belts, but the 6 man belts need to go. Don't care for them at all.
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Do you think NJPW has too many championships? It's a bit of a gag how many belts there are. If you were to condense the number of accolades in New Japan, which titles do you cull?

I'd keep:

* The IWGP Heavyweight Title. Obviously.

* The IC Title. I think it has successfully been established as an A2 championship. The IC Title is more meaningful to New Japan than the Universal Title is to the WWE, for example. Tanahashi and Nakamura deserve a lot of praise for that, and now Naito makes it look like a big deal.

* The Junior Heavyweight Title. Building around KUSHIDA seems like a smart idea. Maybe Will Ospreay will become something more "dense" and be able to hang in the division. I'm sure there are other guys coming through that can add to this division too. I feel this is where Kenny Omega's niche should be, but many would probably disagree.

* A set of Tag Titles. Probably not the Junior Tag Team Titles, because I feel that they are kind of thrown on two guys and just used in spotfests that people are getting way too used to. Probably just keep the IWGP Tag Titles and move them away from teams that are, well, shit.

* NEVER Openweight Title. You can't always see what they are planning to do with this belt, but that does somewhat make it interesting. At the very least, this can be the mid-card title that the IC belt really isn't.
I think they do a great job of booking their titles and don't want to see them drop any. Their divisions are a lot more defined than in WWE as well. They use their lower teir titles to progress a talent up the card. I think the number of titles they are at is perfect.

If they were to drop a title I'd say it would be the NEVER Openweight title as Shibata has mentioned the possibility of retiring it recently. They don't need anymore titles though I'll say that.
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I'd say not but it's a lighter schedule. A lot of American talents can book themselves in the Indus in USA and work ROH as well. I'd say they could probably make close to what WWE offered them but WWE could afford to offer way more than any other company if they really wanted a talent.
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I think it's reported that even Okada is only on $500k a year, but he is able to supplement his income working other dates for other companies.
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is the pay in japan even remotely comparable to that in wwe?
The pay is good until you get taxed bringing it back into the states
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well, then maybe they should just stick around in japan for a while. didn't watch a whole lut of this stuff, but it looks like they're having fun. especially that kenny omega guy.

can't even imagine what retarded gimmick and name he'd get in wwe.
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Great match. Final sequence dragged but it was still awesome.
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I think it's reported that even Okada is only on $500k a year, but he is able to supplement his income working other dates for other companies.
Think some might even have sponsorship deals like Finn Balor before he went to the WWE.

His was worth a few hundred of thousands of dollars and WWE had to buy out the deal in order to get him to sign.
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I'm gonna try and watch this Sunday after signing up last night. Hoping to be able to contribute for the show.
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I don't believe Omega will be going to the WWE just yet. A few years, maybe, but he's still increasing his value on that scene. I imagine his tweet is just him selling his loss, which I actually really like. I wish more people would do that, and it's a major thing lacking from the WWE. The New Day losing the belts one week and then playing with umbrellas the next is the sort of thing that WWE is in a bad habit of doing, and will be hard to re-train if a proper alternative pops up.

Omega will be a big part of New Japan's alleged expansion into the US. If they continue to work with ROH, then it really wouldn't surprise me to see Omega win the ROH World Title as a "stepping stone" towards his ultimate goal of the IWGP Heavyweight Title.

Personally, I'd like to see New Japan start up a working relationship with Pacific Coast Wrestling. They're only like a year into operating, but they seem to take something resembling a more serious sports-based approach to wrestling. Their website has rankings for their belts, but they also have a list of most popular and most hated. Rob Van Dam is their current champion and he won the belt from Pentagon, Jr, who people seem to love from Lucha Underground.

Having a PCW Heavyweight Title match between Rob Van Dam and Kenny Omega as Okada defends the IWGP Title against Tanahashi, or something, would be a good way to segue people into the New Japan product.
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I could easily jerk off to the last 8 minutes of Okada/Omega.
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Honestly, watching the whole WK11 card brought me back. As in two men with some kind of beef and I could feel it by either their walk or their attitude towards each other without Corino or Kelly telling me 10000x times what I "need to know."

Corino and Kelly brought me up to speed in 1 minute in each scenario where I didn't know what's going on. And it was told well by both in the story of the match and the significance of the wrestler's move set, and in the commentary provided letting the audience know if there was a weak point or a reason behind said maneuver.

Could watch (and probably will) this whole card 100 times over.
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Personally, I'd like to see New Japan start up a working relationship with Pacific Coast Wrestling. They're only like a year into operating, but they seem to take something resembling a more serious sports-based approach to wrestling. Their website has rankings for their belts, but they also have a list of most popular and most hated. Rob Van Dam is their current champion and he won the belt from Pentagon, Jr, who people seem to love from Lucha Underground.

Having a PCW Heavyweight Title match between Rob Van Dam and Kenny Omega as Okada defends the IWGP Title against Tanahashi, or something, would be a good way to segue people into the New Japan product.
Doubt they would even bother to do it mainly because PCW is likely too small for their expansion plans. The current AXS tv deal probably does a better job of seguing people into NJPW than what PCW could provide.

If they really wanted to expand more into the west coast, a deal with PWG would probably be a better option and a good supplement to their ROH partnership. They already have a couple of wrestlers who wrestle there and NJPW is probably going to be a lot more picky on partner deals considering only ROH has worked for them while others like GFW, TNA, and NWA ended up being big busts.
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I think Kenny is staying. Looking at New Years Dash, the Bullet Club are a joke right now and have become yet another stable like CHAOS. Since Suzuki-Gun are back and going to be the new harasses for a while, I'd love for Adam Cole (BAY BAY. ADAM COLE BAY BAY) to take over and then have Kenny come back as a face to deal with him and then go for the world title.

The path changing could also mean he's signing one of those ROH combined deals. Would be ace if he beat Cole for that title and then went onto challenge Okada or whoever for the title again and have both.

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Well i haven't watched it yet so my jerk off has yet to come
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From what I've seen, Kenny Omega seems like a perfect WWE star. He's got a good look, tons of charisma, great in the ring. Seems long overdue for him to go to WWE.
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Yeah and I heard New Japan plans on replacing Kenny Omega as Bullet Club leader with Rhett Titus taking over. Hopefully he gets over in Japan as he'll have a tough time following Omega
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