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Old 01-09-2017, 12:13 PM   #121
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According to DA MELTZ, Omegas contract ends January 31st and he is taking time off until March.
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What are the chances that they send Bullet Club to ROH or somewhere else for most of 2017 to make room for Suzuki Gun as the top heels in Japan for a while. Seems like the Bullet Club is down right now losing most their titles at Wrestle Kingdom. Only BC members that won were Adam Cole and Cody Rhodes.
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Old 01-09-2017, 12:46 PM   #123
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I dunno, stables are very different in NJPW. Like Suzuki gun were just kind of there a couple of years ago before they invaded NOAH and CHAOS barely do anything as a team.

Bullet Club is a bit special because of how much merch they sell outside of Japan, so not sure what they'll do with them.
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Maybe BC will attempt to deal with the Suzuki Gun raid.
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They are all babyfaces anyway.
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I'm not a Bullet Club guy because it's very unoriginal, just DX and NWO combined. Probably my least favorite gimmick in NJPW.
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That match was fun to watch!
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I dunno, stables are very different in NJPW. Like Suzuki gun were just kind of there a couple of years ago before they invaded NOAH and CHAOS barely do anything as a team.

Bullet Club is a bit special because of how much merch they sell outside of Japan, so not sure what they'll do with them.
Yeah that one of the things I like about NJPWs stables. They are more like alliances. Just seems like with Kenny taking time off and Bullet Club being on a down swing at the moment t in Japan that they might send them on an excursion for a while so Suzuki Gun can takeover. With them looking to expand to the United States this year having BC in USA could do them some favors. I don't know but I feel like Kenny has something big planned once he returns.
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I'm not a Bullet Club guy because it's very unoriginal, just DX and NWO combined. Probably my least favorite gimmick in NJPW.
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I know about the origins of the NWO. But that doesn't have much to do with the unoriginality of The Bullet Club.
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I spent a little bit of time thinking about New Japan today, which is a good sign for my potential fandom. I kind of think the main event of WrestleKingdom 12 should be Okada vs. Naito. Okada beat Tanahashi at WK10 and Naito at WK11. I'm intrigued to see if New Japan spend some real money on trying to get some guys locked in for the American expansion in order to try and work alongside or against Okada in order to give him some spotlight. My picks would be Kurt Angle and Rob Van Dam, as well as locking Cody Rhodes and Adam Cole down to contracts. As much as I'm not into him, if he hasn't signed with WWE yet, they should make a push to bring in Kyle O'Reilly. He'd make a good opponent for KUSHIDA at least.

I'd like to see New Japan produce some sort of video game too. I think it could help with product awareness and their "penetration."
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I'd like to see New Japan produce some sort of video game too. I think it could help with product awareness and their "penetration."
Dude ... RVD in Bullet Club would be fucking awesome.

Kurt Angle going off with ANYONE would be dope.

I don't know if Okada and Naito have wrestled much in the past but yeah that makes sense for WK 12. But I feel that Omega is going to headline again probably as a baby face.
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I could see that. Omega will be featured if he is still around. I could personally see him in the semi-main. Something like the spot Tanahashi and Naito were in this year. In fact, I could see him against Tanahashi, Shibata or Goto. Given how much they seem to love Goto but have trouble getting him "there," putting him against Omega next year might be a way of spreading some shine to him. Maybe that's my cynical North American thinking? Haha. Not that Omega/Goto would be bad by any stretch.
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Damn. Body language says it all. I wish we had heels like that in the States.
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Watched this last night. My God what a show. The last 4 title matches were great. Goto finally getting the big w was great.

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What a bloody beautiful match with AJ he had. I honestly love it more every time I watch it.

I get a sense from the way Meltzer is talking that New Japan's idea is to hold off the Okada/Omega rematch until next year's WrestleKingdom, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.




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I find it hilarious that TNA is basically responsible for Okada coming up with the Rainmaker chsracter. I had forgotten his stint in TNA..
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:32 AM   #147
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I only saw Okada vs Omega. In that match, I thought Corino and Kelly were just fucking horrendous. Don't get me wrong, even them being horrendous was better than what we here on WWE these days, but my standards aren't so shit that I accept what they offered.

They sound like they've never heard other sports being commentated. Kelly in particular is supposed to be a play-by-play and there needs to be some kind of cadence. Instead, they sound like a couple of smarky wrassling teachers trying to talk about how a match should be "worked". It honestly felt like I was watching figure skating. The 2 guys were not "in character" at all, they were just 2 fans watching a match and clearly pretending it was real. We all know it's fixed, but it's not a lie if you believe it. Either call the match like it's real or dont' call it at all. No energy, so fucking bland and talking about the match like they were smarks. Really disappointing.

Jim Ross is the same when he calls in Japan. I guess the guys think they have the day off or something. Plus JR is obviously way older now and it's hard to remain as focused as a pbp.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:41 PM   #148
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Kelly and Corino were ok on commentary. They weren't bad. But they weren't that good. If Ranalo was calling the show it'd have been a better call.

But those last 4 matches were still fucking stellar.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:47 PM   #149
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The biggest issue is that they call it like it's a work. For a work to be good, it needs to be commentated like it's a shoot.

It's not about working "us" the audience, it's about working themselves and one another as pears. It's not a lie if you believe it.

They buy into the wrestlers as performers, and obviously respect them as such. But they don't buy into the performance as a competition, they only see and act as it's just that, a performance.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:53 PM   #150
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To me it almost sounded like they were dubbing in their commentary after the fact. Seemed like they weren't fully into it, I guess.
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I still only listen to the Japanese commentary when I'm watching the events, it gives me a better feel for the crowd, announcers picking up the excitement for spots.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:34 PM   #152
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Corino and Kelly were decent and a lot better compared to last year's English team. They have the same problem JR and Striker had in general with their inexperience showing a lot because they only do NJPW events on occasion.

Probably would get the same sort of disconnect occuring if you took those same Japanese commentators and had them call ROH or WWE events on the spot.

I did switch to the Japanese commentators for the last two matches because of them being able to match the intensity and fast pace of those big matches.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:55 PM   #153
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They did get a bit silly with lack of sleep during the Shibata match though. This was pulled out from that, ASM(J)R

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I can see Suzuki getting a run with the IWGP Heavyweight Title.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:00 AM   #156
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According to DA MELTZ, Omegas contract ends January 31st and he is taking time off until March.
So, as much as he likes it he has no problem spoiling shit about it? What a fucking dirtbag.
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So, as much as he likes it he has no problem spoiling shit about it? What a fucking dirtbag.
What did he spoil? Kenny had already said he was taking time off. Nothing was spoiled.
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I started watching WK 10 last night with Striker and Kevin Kelly and they make Corino and Kelly sound like gods.
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Uh, isn't that the one with Yoshi Tatsu as well?
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