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Old 11-24-2014, 03:41 PM   #81
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You mean he's not convinced you about that. As far as I am concerned, he is pretty much at the top. Oh hey look, everyone else seems to think HHH-Sting is the way to go too. Fancy that!
Naw. He just isn't in the context of history. He has never drawn like Austin, Rock, Cena, or Taker. He has never sold the merchendise that those guys have sold. He's never been a national news story like Brock. He has always been solid, but that's really all. He's a mediocre mic guy that repeats himself in every promo to the point of self-parody. I mean, I have always wanted to appreciate him for what he is but the problem is that he is sold like he is more than he is and it makes it difficult to praise. He has been a very solid above-average performer over the years and he should definitely be appreciated. It's only when he gets put in context with the greatest guys ever that I have any problem with him.

And Triple H and Sting is most definitely the way to go right now. There aren't many other options and it will be entertaining.
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:01 PM   #82
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I equate it to Kobe Bryant a bit. Everytime I try to acknowledge his place in history, I get bombarded by everybody calling him the greatest ever. If I say that I don't think he is the greatest ever, then I am labeled as hating Kobe Bryant. You can appreciate what somebody has done without going completely overboard, is what I am saying.

I am a huge Foley mark. Would I say that he is the greatest ever or even in the conversation? No, I probably wouldn't. But I can appreciate him for what he was.
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:49 PM   #83
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I just hope he does more than 1 match. I mean he put over half the TNA roster while he was there. The matched he could have in WWE with the like of Wyatt, Cena, The Legend Killer Randy Orton, Rollins, Ambrose. Everyone of them could put on a match just as good as EC3 and Sting, so I dont see why he would only do one match but he probally will.
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:07 PM   #84
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For those who didn't notice, JBL referred to Sting as a 2-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, acknowledging his TNA reign in the process
He also said impact, I think he was tring to make a refrence without really making a reference.
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Cole also refered to Sting's finisher as the Death Drop which was also the name of his finisher in TNA
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I just don't like that Trips views himself as a spectacle like Taker or Brock. He isn'tt. He's just not. I mean, he's always been solid but he's just not on the level that he is trying to convince everybody he is on. That's all.
I don't get this or how you came to this conclusion other than simply not really being a fan of his. Is he supposed to sell himself short etc, maybe cut promos about "being that damn good but not quite that good"? I'm not digging, I just don't get how you've decided this. He has every right to be involved with those guys, spectacle or not guys at the top of the wrestling industry no matter their legacy or "mainstream credibility" mix it up with other top guys in the wrestling industry and Triple H is right there at the top when these guys have been around.
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Old 11-24-2014, 07:46 PM   #90
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I don't get this or how you came to this conclusion other than simply not really being a fan of his. Is he supposed to sell himself short etc, maybe cut promos about "being that damn good but not quite that good"? I'm not digging, I just don't get how you've decided this. He has every right to be involved with those guys, spectacle or not guys at the top of the wrestling industry no matter their legacy or "mainstream credibility" mix it up with other top guys in the wrestling industry and Triple H is right there at the top when these guys have been around.
I agree with this black vampire - even if HHH ate Chyna's sweaty mansie out on a nightly basis.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:03 PM   #91
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:08 PM   #92
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I equate it to Kobe Bryant a bit. Everytime I try to acknowledge his place in history, I get bombarded by everybody calling him the greatest ever. If I say that I don't think he is the greatest ever, then I am labeled as hating Kobe Bryant. You can appreciate what somebody has done without going completely overboard, is what I am saying.

I am a huge Foley mark. Would I say that he is the greatest ever or even in the conversation? No, I probably wouldn't. But I can appreciate him for what he was.
I doubt many people get mad if you don't say Kobe is the greatest. Maybe if you don't have him in your top 5 or even 10.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:20 PM   #93
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As jim cornette said, "hunter is the guy who works with THE GUY" . I just don't find hhh compelling. Nothing about him makes me want to cheer or boo him....its more "him again". I lathing a lot of you are discounting taker...remember he had a head injury early in the match with brick and was disorientated for the rest of it. He would fair much better in a match with someone that can actually work a wrestling match instead of a faux mma match
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:22 PM   #94
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Anybody who can't acknowledge and appreciate what HHH has done for this business is blind. Has he taken advantage of the situation he's in? Possibly. But who wouldn't?
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:09 PM   #96
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Old 11-25-2014, 01:23 AM   #97
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Anybody who can't acknowledge and appreciate what HHH has done for this business is blind. Has he taken advantage of the situation he's in? Possibly. But who wouldn't?
He always has been a major star.Was discussing this the other night with a friend whilst watching Survivor Series and we concluded he may well have been much bigger had he not been surrounded by the likes of HBK, Undertaker, Rock, Austin and heck even Foley on the roster but I'd even go as far as saying he was one of a "special group". All those names mentioned are superstars and legends of the ring....could add Jericho in the mix as he was big in the Attitude era.

But my point is that Triple H if anything gets less credit than he deserves. And from a management point of view it was HIM that managed to get Hogan to come back, the Ultimate Warrior to patch up differences with the WWE before his untimely devise and he was instrumental in bringing Sting to WWE and obviously will play a major role in what will be the last big feud (if not last feud) of Sting's career. He has a good working role with many professionals in the business.

Yes he's been luck that he married the boss's daughter but life's all about luck right?

Just imagine if he'd stayed with Chyna and look at how things turned out for her.
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Still buzzing from Survivor Series. It kind feels weird...all these years I sort of enjoyed the speculation about whether or not Sting would sign up to WWE, when, if, how, why, is he any less of a legend if he didn't.

Sting himself was adamant he never would but ever man has his price or perhaps it was that itch or desire he needed to get off his chest so he can say he did it all?
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Jericho. I haven't had a lot to do with him over the years, I can't comment.
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So Sting makes his long awaited debut and the next night hes not even on Raw...wtf.
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In spite of the rumors I still thought Sting would show up in some capacity even if just for a quick bit. Just the way everything played out seemed so "major" that he'd need to be there. I kinda saw him coming out to face HHH one more time as HHH was on the way out or something. Just one final "in case you didn't realize it last night, we're going to have HHH vs. Sting at WrestleMania" moment before they actually start building to the match properly next year.

I was a bit upset he wasn't there at first just because I wanted to see him again. But it's whatever. Less is more with Sting. Use him when needed...which means we probably won't see him again until after the Rumble.
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Yeah; I see what you're saying, but I guess I wasn't disappointed because I wasn't expecting him. On the flip side, I would have marked out hard again if he did appear.
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He is taking a hiatus to dye his hair again. Brown hair Crow Sting disappointed people.
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He is taking a hiatus to dye his hair again. Brown hair Crow Sting disappointed people.
You know what, I actually thought this too. Sting doesn't seem as menacing without pitch black hair.

He could do with some extensions. he looked a bit like he'd just walked out of the barbershop and the barber hadn't finished the cut. I suppose confronting Triple H takes precedence.


As for those complaining about Sting not showing up.....keep them waiting.....always works.

I mean making a WWE debut was big, at a major WWE PPV (SS being one of the "big 4") but imagine the reaction when he eventually surfaces on RAW.....the show that he went up against with Nitro for years. That too will be a watershed moment and I really can't wait for that.
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Yeah; I see what you're saying, but I guess I wasn't disappointed because I wasn't expecting him. On the flip side, I would have marked out hard again if he did appear.
Every time he appears the crowd will go wild. Dare I say it appearing on RAW would be more significant than at Survivor Series given everything RAW represented when Sting was the big draw over on Nitro. Can't wait.
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Old 11-25-2014, 11:49 AM   #108
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That Sting thing was a 1 time thing right? Why have a 50 year old man with no WWE experience be at the top of the mountain? He wrestled in TNA for crying out loud
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That Sting thing was a 1 time thing right? Why have a 50 year old man with no WWE experience be at the top of the mountain? He wrestled in TNA for crying out loud
So he is still Sting and plus Flair wrestled way past his 50s. Sting put on good matched in TNA no reason he cant do the same in WWE.
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Naw. Trips is mad overrated, IMO. Every WM main event he has participated in has been famously lackluster with the exception of maybe Trips/Cena. The fatal four way was one of the worst in history, the Trips/Jericho bout was shoddily booked and executed and was overshadowed by other match on the card, and Trips/Orton had a great build but had a famously awful execution. The evidence is there to make an argument for his greatness but the argument is also there for his overcelebrated mediocrity. And the drawing factor isn't opinion at all. He doesn't match up to the draw of Cena, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Brock or even Savage or Warrior. He just doesn't. I'm sorry if this offends you but it's the truth. He is very good. That's it. His impact is overblown because of who he is married to. That isn't to say that he isn't important. He definitely is. Let's just keep things in perspective.
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I'm normally a "title match should close Mania" kind of guy but Rock/Hogan and Taker/HBK both just felt like the kind of matches that would have been nigh on impossible to follow. I actually felt bad for the participants in the main event because they had pretty much no chance to get anywhere near a reaction that other matches on the card did. Rock/Hogan had the greatest crowd of all time and Taker/HBK was probably a top 5 match of all time.
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Who has he had a huge match with that he has elevated to the moon?

I can think of Bryan. Maybe Cena but that's debatable because he was already big when the WM match happened

The list of people that didn't go to the moon after a huge Trips feud is much larger:

Jericho was worse off. Although the angle was just bad.
Booker was far worse off. One of the biggest injustices in WWE history that gets swept under the rug.
Sheamus had moderate success but is now in midcard hell.
Kane was the same before and after. After Kay Vick, it could be argued that he was worse off.
Undertaker was already a star.
It can be argued that he helped Shawn get back into the groove. At the same time, he is Shawn Michaels and most likely would've gotten there anyhow.
Rock and Trips elevated each other. Trips was elevated to Rock's level more than the latter.
Shelton had those wins that went nowhere.
Koslov had a huge PPV win that ultimately went nowhere.
Orton is probably the best example but he doesn't draw and is floundering around.

You guys can help me out. Who did Trips definitively make a star beyond a shadow of a doubt? They weren't a star and then after a match with Trips they were superstar status. Maybe I'm missing somebody. I will hear you out.
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:06 PM   #113
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And let's not forget the unforgivable summer of Punk that was quickly and surely destroyed by Triple H.
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Naw. Trips is mad overrated, IMO. Every WM main event he has participated in has been famously lackluster with the exception of maybe Trips/Cena. The fatal four way was one of the worst in history, the Trips/Jericho bout was shoddily booked and executed and was overshadowed by other match on the card, and Trips/Orton had a great build but had a famously awful execution. The evidence is there to make an argument for his greatness but the argument is also there for his overcelebrated mediocrity. And the drawing factor isn't opinion at all. He doesn't match up to the draw of Cena, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Brock or even Savage or Warrior. He just doesn't. I'm sorry if this offends you but it's the truth. He is very good. That's it. His impact is overblown because of who he is married to. That isn't to say that he isn't important. He definitely is. Let's just keep things in perspective.
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Who has he had a huge match with that he has elevated to the moon?

I can think of Bryan. Maybe Cena but that's debatable because he was already big when the WM match happened

The list of people that didn't go to the moon after a huge Trips feud is much larger:

Jericho was worse off. Although the angle was just bad.
Booker was far worse off. One of the biggest injustices in WWE history that gets swept under the rug.
Sheamus had moderate success but is now in midcard hell.
Kane was the same before and after. After Kay Vick, it could be argued that he was worse off.
Undertaker was already a star.
It can be argued that he helped Shawn get back into the groove. At the same time, he is Shawn Michaels and most likely would've gotten there anyhow.
Rock and Trips elevated each other. Trips was elevated to Rock's level more than the latter.
Shelton had those wins that went nowhere.
Koslov had a huge PPV win that ultimately went nowhere.
Orton is probably the best example but he doesn't draw and is floundering around.

You guys can help me out. Who did Trips definitively make a star beyond a shadow of a doubt? They weren't a star and then after a match with Trips they were superstar status. Maybe I'm missing somebody. I will hear you out.
who are you arguing against/stating these opinions to here? Unless I'm missing something, you're pretty much just telling everybody how overrated you think Triple H is for no apparent reason
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:19 PM   #115
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I stated that Trips isn't on the level of guys like Cena, Brock, etc and that I hate him shoehorning his way into every big angle. Sometook exception, which started a dialouge. I have no problem reading the thread for you. Is there anything else you would like me to read? My rendition of "Cat in the Hat" is regarded as one of the best in the world.
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also if he did somebody favours and they themselves went nowhere afterwards as you stated multiple times, Triple H himself can hardly be held accountable for that

And the one guy that he did put over like a trooper and actually had the required tools to become a legit star (unlike a lot of the guys you mentioned there) was Batista.
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who are you arguing against/stating these opinions to here? Unless I'm missing something, you're pretty much just telling everybody how overrated you think Triple H is for no apparent reason
Yeah, I thought maybe someone had deleted their replies for some reason...
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also if he did somebody favours and they themselves went nowhere afterwards as you stated multiple times, Triple H himself can hardly be held accountable for that

And the one guy that he did put over like a trooper and actually had the required tools to become a legit star (unlike a lot of the guys you mentioned there) was Batista.
That one is most definitely true. I had forgotten about him.
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To bring it back to the original "fuck Triple H" post though, of course he's not on the level of the top tier guys in WWE history. I don't know if he thinks he is or not. He's not shoehorning himself into the Sting feud though. He's the best option so that's what's happening.
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When all of these wonderful guys come back and all of this great stuff happens, when I hear they are facing Triple H I go into a deep depression.
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