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Old 01-22-2015, 03:31 PM   #41
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...In that case you could still have Brock vs Bryan at WM....

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Old 01-22-2015, 03:42 PM   #42
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I would love to see Brock/Bryan for the title but will still be intrigued if its just a non title match.

I do think Brock should "make" someone when he loses the title, with him being the streak breaker and dominating Cena at SummerSlam. I really don't see anyone who is ready to beat Brock yet though.
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Would have been down for a Shield triple threat, but Ambrose has been booked so weakly that he doesn't really seem to fit in with the main event picture anymore.
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rember orton could come in and win it
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If Brock vs Bryan main events WM I will not watch it. That is a match I never want to see because it will not be believable to me to have any other outcome than Brock winning. Since we all know that Brock is prob leaving again, that means I would have to accept Daniel Bryan legit beating Lesnar for the title....and that is utterly ridiculous. I know wrestling is fake, but sometimes you have to draw a line; I can not see Bryan ever legitmately beating Lesnar. I felt the same way about Rey Mysterio back in the day when he was main eventing.
For me, believability doesn't apply on a show that sometimes has characters with magical powers.

The ultimate underdog vs the ultimate obstacle is the best story out of all the options available, imo.
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Honestly though, I have never understood that viewpoint. On the list of unrealistic shit in wrestling, a small guy beating a big guy seems like it would be really tame compared to everything else.
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I wonder if he felt the same way when Michaels beat Vader. Or when Taz beat Bam Bam. Or Bret over Yoko. Or any of the billion times in wrestling history that a little guy beat the monster.
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I mean it would be one thing if Bryan was overpowering Lesnar, and winning tests of strength and shit. But that obviously wouldn't happen. They're both good enough workers that they could find a way to make it work just like when Eddie beat Brock.

Which was a fucking awesome match, btw.
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Basically, come up with the worst thing that could happen, booking wise at the Royal Rumble.

I'm going with the following:

Daniel Bryan comes in at #22, to a hot reaction. He climbs into the ring. Someone rushes over and eliminates him IMMEDIATELY, a la the Warlord.


I'd go with Roman Reigns winning the rumble as the worst possible scenario. The guy simply isn't ready to main-event right now and I think the WWE would be 'throwing him to the wolves' if they went this route.


Daniel Bryan winning for a second straight year would be nice, but he's a health risk right now and so I'm not sure if the WWE goes this route.


Ambrose, Ziggler, and Cesaro would have been great choices had they been made to look more credible over this past year, but things turned out differently (Ambrose's push actually was pretty good from what I understand, but he was made to look continuously inferior to Wyatt and Rollins).


Perhaps the WWE's best play would be in having a face Randy Orton winning the rumble and then facing Rollins at Mania'. Capitalize on Orton's return face pop, and then launch him to the top again.
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Ziggler would have been my choice, if they had built off his Survivor Series victory, but instead he's just kind of been there.
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Ziggler would have been my choice, if they had built off his Survivor Series victory, but instead he's just kind of been there.

I'll agree with this.


However - if we can go back to the RAW after last year's Wrestlemania and do it all over again, then my choice would have been Cesaro.


Have him keep Swagger's theme music, have him stay face, have him keep doing that airplane move, and slowly build him up.


How the WWE missed this golden opportunity is beyond me.


I also think the WWE should have milked the Shield/Wyatt rivalry for a lot longer. After destroying Evolution, Shield/Wyatt should have feuded for a few months a la Nation/DX 1998.
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I'd go with Roman Reigns winning the rumble as the worst possible scenario. The guy simply isn't ready to main-event right now and I think the WWE would be 'throwing him to the wolves' if they went this route.


Daniel Bryan winning for a second straight year would be nice, but he's a health risk right now and so I'm not sure if the WWE goes this route.


Ambrose, Ziggler, and Cesaro would have been great choices had they been made to look more credible over this past year, but things turned out differently (Ambrose's push actually was pretty good from what I understand, but he was made to look continuously inferior to Wyatt and Rollins).


Perhaps the WWE's best play would be in having a face Randy Orton winning the rumble and then facing Rollins at Mania'. Capitalize on Orton's return face pop, and then launch him to the top again.
Even with Bryan being a health risk you have to go with him. He is the person everyone will want and go ape shit for in the main event. This allows for Reigns to be slow groomed into being liked/loved by the fans.
I can't really see a Orton and Brock program being that good but this would probably be the best way to go if Orton wins. Orton vs Rollins does not scream main event and no one wants another Orton vs Cena feud again.
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Even with Bryan being a health risk you have to go with him. He is the person everyone will want and go ape shit for in the main event. This allows for Reigns to be slow groomed into being liked/loved by the fans.
I can't really see a Orton and Brock program being that good but this would probably be the best way to go if Orton wins. Orton vs Rollins does not scream main event and no one wants another Orton vs Cena feud again.


This would be my #1 choice as well, but I'm just not completely sold on Bryan's health. What happens if he gets injured again between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania? Although I guess you could make that argument for ANY wrestler (i.e. "what if they get injured").


Bryan vs. Lesnar would be great, but I can't help but wonder if Bryan is on borrowed time as far as his injuries go. It might be better to invest in someone else to get a win over Lesnar at Mania (i.e. Orton).
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I wonder if he felt the same way when Michaels beat Vader. Or when Taz beat Bam Bam. Or Bret over Yoko. Or any of the billion times in wrestling history that a little guy beat the monster.
Not really with those examples, but then I was little in those days and don't really remember. Out of all of those, Bret over Yoko would have probably bothered me the most. But then, all of those guys are kind of a different kind of big man than Lesnar is.

I don't group all big men together; theres ones like Lesnar and Lashley who are ripped up freaks, then theres 'giants' like Big Show, Andre, Kevin Nash, then there is a group for people like Yoko and Earthquake and Viscera, etc. Too many differences in size and build to just say big man for all of them.

Also, I didn't used to feel like this; several years ago when they had Rey Mysterio going over Big Show things changed. I saw that and was like no.....just no. It kind of brought me back to my days being a WCW mark and there being legit divisions for different size guys. Daniel Bryan would have been amazing in the cruiser division.
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I actually feel like the need for realism is what's making wrestling worse. Sure a guy like Daniel Bryan could beat a guy like Brock Lesnar in real life. I don't care. I don't give a fuck about real life when I'm watching wrestling. If I did, I'd watch UFC. If Daniel Bryan was the size he is but had a larger than life character, then I'd be all for him as the main guy. As it stands, there's too much "regular joe" stuff going on and it's getting too far into "fake version of UFC" territory. There's a reason Bob Backlund needed to go and Hogan needed to come in. Wrestling as a legitimate sport was dead. It's still dead. It's not coming back. They need to stop trying.
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The general consensus is that Reigns isn't ready this year but you think he should have won the Rumble/main Evented WM last year!?
Ahead of Batista, most definitely.

Worst move ever having him win the RR.
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Doesn't matter that Bryan won at mania last year. He's still ridiculously over. Far more than Reigns. I don't even have to comment on ring work.

Bryan winning the rumble and winning the title again at mania doesn't mean he has to be the permanent face of the company. If you want Reigns for that spot than fine(though I don't see any potential in the guy to be in that spot) but groom him for that role slowly, while you have a guy who is over as fuck to be there until Reigns is ready for it.
It's more to do with the fact that it would be a sense of deja vu i.e. having Bryan win the title again at WM.

In any case I am quite certain Sting v Triple H (with the stipulation of total control of the WWE) is going to close out the show given at how much would be riding on the match and the fact it would generate a huge amount of buzz being Sting's WWE in-ring and WM debut and perhaps finale.


Furthermore I feel winning the Royal Rumble and the title match at WM has lost it's shine with the exception of WM 29 and WM 30. In recent times the focus has been on big draw matches like Rock v Cena 1, Rock v Hogan and post WM 22, the streak. The title match seemed to be a sideshow and as last year proved, you don't have to even be in the Royal Rumble match to get the opportunity to headline and win the title.
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As far as believability unlike Rey Bryan has a style that could compete with Brock his frenzied offense and ground game would be a nice complement to Brock raw power scary speed and wrestling background ....I really wanna see that match I need to see it.
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This is going to be a very unpopular statement, but I really think the worst thing is Rollins winning the title. It just automatically devalues what could be the big title match at Mania, and they don't make Seth a star in the process, because he has to lose it two months later, and then the company is left with no heels. Worst for Mania, worst for the long run, and possibly worst for Seth.
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This is going to be a very unpopular statement, but I really think the worst thing is Rollins winning the title. It just automatically devalues what could be the big title match at Mania, and they don't make Seth a star in the process, because he has to lose it two months later, and then the company is left with no heels. Worst for Mania, worst for the long run, and possibly worst for Seth.


Very interesting post, and I agree with what you're saying.
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The money is definitely in the unbeatable monster who ended The Streak being dethroned as champion and driven from the company at Mania. Anybody other than Lesnar carrying gold into WM31 is a mistake.
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This is going to be a very unpopular statement, but I really think the worst thing is Rollins winning the title. It just automatically devalues what could be the big title match at Mania, and they don't make Seth a star in the process, because he has to lose it two months later, and then the company is left with no heels. Worst for Mania, worst for the long run, and possibly worst for Seth.
Truth be told I'm not a huge fan of Rollins either or Ambrose. But he has held onto that briefcase for an incredible amount of time now and it would be silly to not have him cash in and win at some point.

I don't see Lesnar being given the distinction of a title match at WM, certainly not the main event given that he will be leaving shortly and it would a little stupid to have him lose the title in his final match and then disappear afterwards without some sort of rematch story etc.

I'm perhaps hopeful/clutching at straws for Taker v Lesnar 2 maybe with the stipulation that the lose "leaves the WWE for good" hence tying in with Lesnar's departure. Perhaps a submission match or buried alive match or casket match?
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Old 01-23-2015, 05:45 PM   #70
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I could see them pulling a bit of a "swerve" by having Lesnar retain at Mania. Everybody will expect him to lose the title at Mania should be be carrying it in. Lesnar would retain to the shock of everybody, sign an extension taking him to Raw the following night where he drops the belt either via MITB or in a rematch against his Mania opponent.
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I could see them pulling a bit of a "swerve" by having Lesnar retain at Mania. Everybody will expect him to lose the title at Mania should be be carrying it in. Lesnar would retain to the shock of everybody, sign an extension taking him to Raw the following night where he drops the belt either via MITB or in a rematch against his Mania opponent.

Wouldn't be a bad idea, in terms of not being predictable, but I think the WWE needs to have their guy go over Lesnar at Wrestlemania, so that the significance of the moment is amplified.
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Anyone think Orton could win the RR and Seth wins the belt?
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No. But it would be... interesting.
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Heel Seth Rollins defeating Face Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania.
Wondering if a face Brock Lesnar vs. heel Seth Rollins at mania' could work?


Think about it - Seth Rollins is up there with Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryan in terms of the WWE wanting someone to be "the guy." With Reigns still a bit green, and with Bryan's health a question mark, why shouldn't the WWE give the nod to Seth Rollins?


Have Rollins pin Cena at the RR (authority takes out Lesnar). Lesnar gets pissed, enters the rumble, and then wins/dominates the rumble.


At Wrestlemania, Seth Rollins gets the surprising clean victory over Lesnar. Rollins doesn't even win in a cowardly way. Heel Rollins CLEANLY defeats Lesnar.


How much credibility would Rollins have at THAT point? This then lines up guys like Bryan, Cena, Reigns, and Orton to go after Rollins for future feuds.
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Obviously the cunts at Rajah.
Rajah is still around? I thought that place died in the mid 2000s. But that isn't the forum I am talking about. I was talking about the Craphole. Where from Summerslam 2013 until Wrestlemania in 2014 almost every thread was people bitching about Bryan being "buried".
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Rajah is still around? I thought that place died in the mid 2000s. But that isn't the forum I am talking about. I was talking about the Craphole. Where from Summerslam 2013 until Wrestlemania in 2014 almost every thread was people bitching about Bryan being "buried".
Really they still whined when it was painfully obvious that his losing and "burial" was part of a grander plot?

that's hilarious
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No, it wasn't part of a grander plot. If it wasn't for the complainers they would have gone with Batista and Randy Orton.

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Anyone think Orton could win the RR and Seth wins the belt?
yeah i posted it, he could get bootista heat
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It's more to do with the fact that it would be a sense of deja vu i.e. having Bryan win the title again at WM.
Hulkamania ran wild for 9 years. Austin and The Rock carried 'Mania for several years, as have Cena and HHH. Don't give me this 12 year old kid deja vu bullshit about Daniel Bryan for 2 consecutive years. The best stories, characters and personalities carry WM, and Bryan ' s pops and "overness" are genuine and legitimate... therefore not to be dismissed and ignored. I'm not even a huge backer of DBry, but it's just common sense.
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