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Old 11-15-2015, 08:22 PM   #81
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I'd be down with a Sting title run. If Sheamus was to cash in I could see Sting taking it off him. Would really like to see Sting or Taker as heels but doubt WWE would do that.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:38 AM   #82
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I really enjoyed the quarter final matches on RAW. This round highlighted the benefit of spacing out the tournament. If everything was in one night, the matches would have been really rushed. This way 3 of the 4 got a lot of time to tell a story, and I thought all were really effective. Final Four is predictable, but when it comes to storytelling, i'm not sure that's a bad thing.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:48 PM   #83
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I don't think anyone here has actually suggested that every match in the tournament should've taken place in one night, dude. I DO think they should've had the Semi-finals on the SD! tapings tonight and just paid off the Final as Sunday's main event, leaving ample time for a couple of other matches that could've been more interesting than a couple of matches in what, so far has, aside from Kalisto defeating Ryback, been a very ho-hum tournament.
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A lot of people on here were slamming WWE for not having the whole tournament in one night. As I mentioned at the time, I always thought they would only have two rounds at SurvSer.

I actually agree now that I've seen it unfold, I would have rather just had the Finals at the PPV. I think guys have less heat when they work multiple times in one night. And it would have allowed them to give each match a ton of time on TV. But not a big deal at the end of the day.

While it would be good for SD to have something as important as the Semis, I think it would be an overall bad move because fewer people watch SD. It's too bad they didn't have an extra week of TV to do it on RAW.
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If they want sheamus to cash in its best to have two matches on the PPV. If he doesn't cash in, or attempt to, I would be very surprised.
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If they want sheamus to cash in its best to have two matches on the PPV. If he doesn't cash in, or attempt to, I would be very surprised.
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Old 11-18-2015, 02:29 PM   #87
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That Cesaro-Reigns match was epic. Owens-Neville was great too. ADR is still really, really boring. Wasn't all that impressed with Ambrose-Ziggler.

But, now what??

Cesaro looked a million dollars in a losing effort, will they maintain that momentum? I'd have him in the Traditional Survivor Series match, kicking ass, and have him overcome a 2-on-1 disadvantage to become the Sole Survivor.
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I would say it's a good bet Cesaro has a good showing in an Elimination match.

He will likely be a final four candidate at the Rumble. As I predicted after his feud with Big Show, he's on the verge of being in the upper mix. He really needs to step it up each time he's out there.
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Did you also predict that WWE would be short of Rollins, Cena, Orton, and Lesnar all at the same time? Would they be "getting behind" Cesaro if they weren't desperate?
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I think he actually predicted that after Big Show squashed Cesaro they would go on to have a career making feud, with Cesaro ultimately winning a hard fought PPV match with a move that he could theoretically perform on any member of the roster regardless of size.
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The Survivor Series Elimination Match should not only feature Cesaro, but should basically be a vehicle to get him over. I'd consider allowing him to shatter the record and eliminate all five guys on the opposing team.
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Did you also predict that WWE would be short of Rollins, Cena, Orton, and Lesnar all at the same time? Would they be "getting behind" Cesaro if they weren't desperate?
Lesnar's schedule has been known since the beginning of the year, so that has no imapct on anything. Cena is in a whole other stratosphere from Cesaro. Orton being out may have opened the door for Cesaro a bit.

But yeah I still think they would, and I dont think they are desperate. Numerous reports have come out that nothing major has changed in terms of long term planning outside of HHH v Rollins at Mania and Reigns-Rollins rematches for the balance of the year.

Its not like they are forcing Cesaro into the main event. He's sniffing around the main event guys, and looking good, but losing. Which is right where he should be. Now he needs to start getting some steady wins, and moving up the ladder.
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I think he actually predicted that after Big Show squashed Cesaro they would go on to have a career making feud, with Cesaro ultimately winning a hard fought PPV match with a move that he could theoretically perform on any member of the roster regardless of size.
Title tournament probably impacted some of that. And thats just how I thought they would get there. Point is, I knew Cesaro would be pushed. People argued and will be proven wrong. On it goes, this thing of ours.
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If they want sheamus to cash in its best to have two matches on the PPV. If he doesn't cash in, or attempt to, I would be very surprised.
I think he will. He isn't going to figure in long term title plans imo. His current run hasn't gone down too well with the fans so it may be a case of get him to cash in now and either lose or hold the belt briefly. Either way I see Reigns ending 2015 as the WWE Champion.
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Did you also predict that WWE would be short of Rollins, Cena, Orton, and Lesnar all at the same time? Would they be "getting behind" Cesaro if they weren't desperate?
Nope but two of those guys are on self-imposed/requested time off. Frankly I'd rather Cena was the one winning the belt at the end of this tournament as sooner or later he is going to break Ric Flair's record, perhaps at WM 32?
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Title tournament probably impacted some of that. And thats just how I thought they would get there. Point is, I knew Cesaro would be pushed. People argued and will be proven wrong. On it goes, this thing of ours.
Are you suggesting they would change those long term Big Show / Cesaro plans just for a silly tournament?

I am shocked.
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You're a big dummy if you didn't see that WWE had long term plans stemming from Big Show destroying Cesaro before he himself got destroyed by Lesnar.

A big, dumb dummy.

WWE is genius and shit.
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Old 11-19-2015, 07:06 AM   #98
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Did you also predict that WWE would be short of Rollins, Cena, Orton, and Lesnar all at the same time? Would they be "getting behind" Cesaro if they weren't desperate?
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Title tournament probably impacted some of that. And thats just how I thought they would get there. Point is, I knew Cesaro would be pushed. People argued and will be proven wrong. On it goes, this thing of ours.
The problem is WWE'S track record to the contrary. How many times has something potentially awesome happened to Cesaro only for him to mysteriously fuck off from the radar shortly afterwards? And it isn't like he's getting injured like everytime they'd get serious about Wade Barrett.

The danger is that, from given history, creative can put him in that feud with Cesaro, and Cesaro does come out on top, and it does potentially elevate his status up the card... then he is back on Superstars duty for no reason because fuck him. Until they actually follow through and show sustained willingness otherwise, we're conditioned to expect disappointment.
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You're wrong.

WWE have now given Cesaro everything he needs to get over, if he gets depushed when Cena, Orton, and Rollins (and the part-time guys show up for Mania) it's all his own fault!!
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In all fairness, WWE has no actual reason to be desperate. It would be incredibly short sited for them to ever really be desperate given they have ZERO competition.
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Which explains the hum drum lack of urgency displayed in their on air product.
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You're wrong.

WWE have now given Cesaro everything he needs to get over, if he gets depushed when Cena, Orton, and Rollins (and the part-time guys show up for Mania) it's all his own fault!!

It he's as good as people say he is the crowds will make sure he stays in the spotlight, re: Daniel Bryan.
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In all fairness, WWE has no actual reason to be desperate. It would be incredibly short sited for them to ever really be desperate given they have ZERO competition.
I think Nash (woooo Nashvember) said in a recent shoot that Vince would rather have a 2/3rds full arena with his hand-picked guy on top than a packed arena with a guy picked by somebody else. And at this point with zero competition there's no reason whatsoever for him to not just do what he wants since drawing 2/3rds of a house will still make the company money.
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Did CyNick just reference reports, as in "TEH SHEETZ"?
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I think I read it in Twitter.

I take it with a grain of salt, just using it as a point of conversation. If I wanted to validate I would reach out to Hunter or Vince instead of taking the word of some guy who runs cable.
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Then why bring it up? You try and chastise people who read dirt sheets and call them sheep, yet mention an equally nefarious report yourself. If you think they're do unreliable why even bother to bring it up? Unless you brought it up because it was convenient to use in either arguing or validating a point you were trying to make. That's sure what it seems like. Not a bad thing, as that's mostly what any of us have to go off of, but you can't have it both ways pal.
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Then why bring it up? You try and chastise people who read dirt sheets and call them sheep, yet mention an equally nefarious report yourself. If you think they're do unreliable why even bother to bring it up? Unless you brought it up because it was convenient to use in either arguing or validating a point you were trying to make. That's sure what it seems like. Not a bad thing, as that's mostly what any of us have to go off of, but you can't have it both ways pal.
I go by what I see on TV or what I hear from the decision makers (Hunter, steph, Vince).

People on here take the OPINION of people who rely on making up bullshit to make a living and pass it off as fact. If I reference something from a newz site, I would be the first to say it's very unreliable and take it with a grain of salt.

Nice try on the gotcha journalism though.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:46 PM   #108
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That didn't explain why you brought it up.

"Why reference a tweet if you don't trust the source?"

"I go by what I see on TV, except when I see something on twitter maybe."
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I go by what I see on TV or what I hear from the decision makers (Hunter, steph, Vince).
So did Hunter, Steph or Vince post that tweet or say as much on tv? If not, why bring if up?

If you go on what you hear or see via the company, why bring up a "report" that didn't come from the company? Unless of course you are admitting to using the report as a way to back up a statement, much like most do here.
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Old 11-19-2015, 09:02 PM   #110
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I go by what I see on TV or what I hear from the decision makers (Hunter, steph, Vince).

People on here take the OPINION of people who rely on making up bullshit to make a living and pass it off as fact. If I reference something from a newz site, I would be the first to say it's very unreliable and take it with a grain of salt.

Nice try on the gotcha journalism though.
That's got to be a joke. You project whatever points you want onto others to label them for your purposes, but when you get busted spouting off OPINIONS, you try and carry yourself like a sage.

Fuck off with that noise.
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Old 11-19-2015, 09:11 PM   #111
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Old 11-19-2015, 09:15 PM   #112
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:51 PM   #113
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I love it too because Noid is easily the nicest man on this forum.... pushed to the fucking brink to finally turn into a ferocious big daddy cool esque tweener post Survivor Series '95, in homage to Nashvember. No more kissing babies.
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You guys are fantastic. These forums are always better when Gorgeous Dale is around. The workhorse who comes in for a special attraction match. And I know you've been around these parts for a while, Damian, but you've really been hitting the ****/***** mark with your workrate lately. It feels like you've become a top babyface attraction these last couple of months.

Me, on the other hand, haven't changed at all. It's the fans that have changed. I know who I am -- I've been here for thirteen years working almost every day of my life -- and now you're sensing something different? I don't feel like the old doormat Noid you used to laugh and mock? Maybe you should all look in the mirror and realize that I'm not the monster here.

Next week I will debut Evil Emma as my on-screen girlfriend, Doug Basham as my tag team partner and Val Venis as my trainer/coach/cornerman.
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I love it too because Noid is easily the nicest man on this forum.... pushed to the fucking brink to finally turn into a ferocious big daddy cool esque tweener post Survivor Series '95, in homage to Nashvember. No more kissing babies.
I'm actually nicer
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You guys are fantastic. These forums are always better when Gorgeous Dale is around. The workhorse who comes in for a special attraction match. And I know you've been around these parts for a while, Damian, but you've really been hitting the ****/***** mark with your workrate lately. It feels like you've become a top babyface attraction these last couple of months.

Me, on the other hand, haven't changed at all. It's the fans that have changed. I know who I am -- I've been here for thirteen years working almost every day of my life -- and now you're sensing something different? I don't feel like the old doormat Noid you used to laugh and mock? Maybe you should all look in the mirror and realize that I'm not the monster here.

Next week I will debut Evil Emma as my on-screen girlfriend, Doug Basham as my tag team partner and Val Venis as my trainer/coach/cornerman.
Bunch of people who could never headline. Solid group.
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Old 11-20-2015, 05:58 PM   #120
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Well if you're gonna stop even TRYING to come up with rebuttals to shit and just go with generic "You people couldn't lace my boots" type comments like you seem to be doing lately, your heel heat is gonna plummet quicker than RAW's ratings, guy.
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