01-12-2017, 11:12 PM | #81 |
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But Roman Reigns is not John Cena. By a country mile.
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01-12-2017, 11:21 PM | #82 |
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Exactly, they have copied that formula with Reigns but it's not been as successful which is what everyone is saying. That 15% you say boo Cena is more like 50% when talking about Reigns.
The thing about Cena is he can get on the microphone and change some of them boos to cheers where as Reigns simply can't do that. Although people may hate Cena they do respect his hustle and loyalty. That is the Cena formula right? Roman hasn't showed any loyalty to the fans by getting suspended earlier this year, fail. Can't keep up with the hustle without using something, fail. It's not a knock on him he can use what ever he wants for all I care but the guy is just not John Cena and it's dumb to even try. Cena also had his own progression into that spot and Reigns was forced into a spot he wasn't ready for and fans rejected him. |
01-12-2017, 11:25 PM | #83 |
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01-13-2017, 02:01 AM | #84 |
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Reigns is not a babyface. He's a natural heel. People will ironically start to cheer him when he clicks into that more natural alignment. It will just feel a lot more...together with him.
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01-13-2017, 02:01 AM | #85 |
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While I've got no interest in Reigns vs. Taker, if Reigns destroys Undertaker at WrestleMania, he will be set up to be that heel star. It's all for naught if they keep trying to jam him down people's throats as a superhero though.
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01-13-2017, 02:20 AM | #86 |
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When you look back at the previous era's stars, they all cut their teeth as heels and then made the huge turn. Hogan, Michaels, Austin/Rock, Cena.
Guys like Jericho, Punk, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc also got established as heels before turning. Rarely is there a Steamboat or Mysterio type where they're just natural babyfaces. Reigns turning heel could go long way. |
01-13-2017, 06:57 AM | #87 | |
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Him going into Mania as a cocky young heel, looking to take out a face Goldberg who is stealing his spotlight is interesting to me. Nothing he does at the moment is interesting and he is incredibly hard to like as a face. He is not John Cena, so why not play to his strengths if you want him to be a big player in the future? Right now it is a square peg in a round hole. |
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01-13-2017, 08:55 AM | #88 | |
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People have been saying for years that they should turn Cena, but WWE never did it, because the numbers are clear that more paying customers like Cena than hate him. I feel the same is true with Reigns, just maybe not to the same level of Cena. And at the end of the day it sounds like WWE has done a great job making some fans salivate at the thought of Reigns turning heel. Point is, one way or the other, people care about Roman Reigns. That means WWE has done their job. |
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01-13-2017, 11:03 AM | #89 |
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CyNick - not to say you support people losing their jobs, but if you had no choice but to release 5 wrestlers from the main roster, who would be on the chopping block?
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01-13-2017, 11:24 AM | #90 |
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Roman's not ready to take the Reigns. that is this brilliant motherfucker's hot take.
Awesome performer though but he's been rushed to the top. I mean I know it's hard to believe a company can make a mistake, but I do believe they've made a mistake forcing Reigns down everyone's throats. |
01-13-2017, 11:28 AM | #91 |
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BE GONE NORMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!
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01-13-2017, 11:38 AM | #92 |
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BOOOOOOO gtfo of CyNick's thread!
If you want, we can make a thread where you can be a big dumb asshead. OH WAIT THAT'S EVERY THREAD |
01-13-2017, 11:43 AM | #93 |
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01-13-2017, 11:45 AM | #94 |
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"Waaah! Don't disagree with people! Waaaaaah!"
That's you. That's what you sound like. Now shut up while I try to exorcise Norman Smiley's soul out of this motherfucker, you little whiny bitch. I'll work on exorcising the 13 year old girl out of you later. |
01-13-2017, 12:10 PM | #95 |
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I was actually joking with you. Perhaps it is you who is the 13 year old girl, taking it so personally
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01-13-2017, 12:12 PM | #96 |
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and I feel like we have very different definitions of spazz.
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01-13-2017, 12:35 PM | #98 |
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Everyone saying Reigns not getting a traidional pop means he should be shot down the card doesnt get it. TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.
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01-13-2017, 12:38 PM | #99 |
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which is a giant problem in itself.
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01-13-2017, 01:25 PM | #100 |
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I don't think he should be shot down the card. I l think they should change directions and start booking him according to the reaction he gets. He could be the top heel in the company right now
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01-13-2017, 01:34 PM | #101 |
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yeah he's a "main event guy" it'd be weird if he went off into obscurity. He was great with the shield as an up and coming young stud.
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01-13-2017, 01:38 PM | #102 |
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They should put Dean Ambrose on Raw and just reform The Shield officially. They're better collectively than they are separately IMO, and it's also the one way to guarantee Roman gets cheered because The Shield were over as fuck.
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01-13-2017, 04:03 PM | #103 |
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I was on board for a Shield reunion, but I think they can get a lot out of Reigns as a solo act as a heel. Destor is right, in a sense, but he could be so "interesting" if they embraced his "shades of grey."
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01-13-2017, 04:07 PM | #104 |
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01-13-2017, 04:10 PM | #105 | |
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Its still Important to them that he is seen in a positive light. For the record I like him right where he is just not enough to cheer. |
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01-13-2017, 04:35 PM | #106 | |
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Never got that feeling during the Attitude era. Even though everyone knew it wasn't legit, every aspect of the product was treated with at least a minimal amount of seriousness/consistency, even when it didn't necessarily get over or wasn't executed well. There were no conflicting messages being sent. |
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01-13-2017, 04:52 PM | #107 |
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Imagine if I ever died. You would have no purpose in life.
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01-13-2017, 04:55 PM | #108 | |
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I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great. |
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01-13-2017, 05:00 PM | #109 |
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He won a mid card title and was still featured in the main event every week. I agree he doesn't need to be shot down the card but he at least needs to be booked toward his strengths and that something they don't do. Like many have said what actually makes him a face other than he fights the bad guys? The guy has a natural heel look to him and I don't see any thing in him that shouts franchise guy.
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01-13-2017, 05:09 PM | #111 |
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I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.
But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch. Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania. |
01-13-2017, 05:10 PM | #112 |
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Reigns works his ass off whenever he is out there. It doesn't make up for his lack of babyface charisma, but he works his ass off.
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01-13-2017, 05:49 PM | #113 |
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01-13-2017, 05:52 PM | #114 |
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#1-wwf-fan taking up for America. Again. U-S-A! U-S-A!
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01-13-2017, 05:54 PM | #115 |
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America, TPWW, tits and beer. The spirit of homeless Norman has returned to take them all from us once and for all.
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01-13-2017, 05:55 PM | #116 |
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As commissioner of tpww real fights I need you guys to quiet down. This thread is CyNick's Piper's pit. RESPECT THE PIT
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01-13-2017, 05:55 PM | #117 |
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And freedom.
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01-13-2017, 05:56 PM | #118 |
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I think Noid might get jumped before his TPWWMania match against CyNick which will require his manager Fan to valiantly step in to the match in his place.
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01-13-2017, 06:05 PM | #119 |
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Imagine the crowd reaction. My God.
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01-13-2017, 06:11 PM | #120 |
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I'll even sell a beating from mike adamle to get Fan into that match.
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