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Old 01-12-2017, 11:12 PM   #81
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But Roman Reigns is not John Cena. By a country mile.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:21 PM   #82
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Exactly, they have copied that formula with Reigns but it's not been as successful which is what everyone is saying. That 15% you say boo Cena is more like 50% when talking about Reigns.

The thing about Cena is he can get on the microphone and change some of them boos to cheers where as Reigns simply can't do that. Although people may hate Cena they do respect his hustle and loyalty. That is the Cena formula right? Roman hasn't showed any loyalty to the fans by getting suspended earlier this year, fail. Can't keep up with the hustle without using something, fail. It's not a knock on him he can use what ever he wants for all I care but the guy is just not John Cena and it's dumb to even try. Cena also had his own progression into that spot and Reigns was forced into a spot he wasn't ready for and fans rejected him.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:25 PM   #83
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What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?
Chris Jericho every week.
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Old 01-13-2017, 02:01 AM   #84
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Reigns is not a babyface. He's a natural heel. People will ironically start to cheer him when he clicks into that more natural alignment. It will just feel a lot more...together with him.
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Old 01-13-2017, 02:01 AM   #85
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While I've got no interest in Reigns vs. Taker, if Reigns destroys Undertaker at WrestleMania, he will be set up to be that heel star. It's all for naught if they keep trying to jam him down people's throats as a superhero though.
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Old 01-13-2017, 02:20 AM   #86
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When you look back at the previous era's stars, they all cut their teeth as heels and then made the huge turn. Hogan, Michaels, Austin/Rock, Cena.

Guys like Jericho, Punk, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc also got established as heels before turning. Rarely is there a Steamboat or Mysterio type where they're just natural babyfaces.

Reigns turning heel could go long way.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:57 AM   #87
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Reigns is not a babyface. He's a natural heel. People will ironically start to cheer him when he clicks into that more natural alignment. It will just feel a lot more...together with him.
He really is. Anytime I watch, his mannerisms are so heelish. He has those arrogant little smirks and dismissive interviews. I don't understand why they don't just embrace it totally.

Him going into Mania as a cocky young heel, looking to take out a face Goldberg who is stealing his spotlight is interesting to me.

Nothing he does at the moment is interesting and he is incredibly hard to like as a face.

He is not John Cena, so why not play to his strengths if you want him to be a big player in the future?

Right now it is a square peg in a round hole.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:55 AM   #88
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When you look back at the previous era's stars, they all cut their teeth as heels and then made the huge turn. Hogan, Michaels, Austin/Rock, Cena.

Guys like Jericho, Punk, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, etc also got established as heels before turning. Rarely is there a Steamboat or Mysterio type where they're just natural babyfaces.

Reigns turning heel could go long way.
I'm not against a Reigns heel turn, but I trust WWE knows what's best based on internal metrics that they have access to. If Reigns is the #1 merch seller outside Cena, that tells you it's not time to turn him.

People have been saying for years that they should turn Cena, but WWE never did it, because the numbers are clear that more paying customers like Cena than hate him. I feel the same is true with Reigns, just maybe not to the same level of Cena.

And at the end of the day it sounds like WWE has done a great job making some fans salivate at the thought of Reigns turning heel. Point is, one way or the other, people care about Roman Reigns. That means WWE has done their job.
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CyNick - not to say you support people losing their jobs, but if you had no choice but to release 5 wrestlers from the main roster, who would be on the chopping block?
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Roman's not ready to take the Reigns. that is this brilliant motherfucker's hot take.

Awesome performer though but he's been rushed to the top.

I mean I know it's hard to believe a company can make a mistake, but I do believe they've made a mistake forcing Reigns down everyone's throats.
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Old 01-13-2017, 11:28 AM   #91
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BOOOOOOO gtfo of CyNick's thread!

If you want, we can make a thread where you can be a big dumb asshead. OH WAIT THAT'S EVERY THREAD
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"Waaah! Don't disagree with people! Waaaaaah!"

That's you. That's what you sound like.

Now shut up while I try to exorcise Norman Smiley's soul out of this motherfucker, you little whiny bitch. I'll work on exorcising the 13 year old girl out of you later.
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I was actually joking with you. Perhaps it is you who is the 13 year old girl, taking it so personally
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and I feel like we have very different definitions of spazz.
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What a geek.
The "Get called out on a strawman so clearly that you can't even bullshit a response so you have to just throw a completely random, nonsensical insult out of nowhere to try to save face" tactic is definitely a norman smiley move. This theory is strong.



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Old 01-13-2017, 12:35 PM   #98
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Everyone saying Reigns not getting a traidional pop means he should be shot down the card doesnt get it. TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.
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which is a giant problem in itself.
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Old 01-13-2017, 01:25 PM   #100
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I don't think he should be shot down the card. I l think they should change directions and start booking him according to the reaction he gets. He could be the top heel in the company right now
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Old 01-13-2017, 01:34 PM   #101
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yeah he's a "main event guy" it'd be weird if he went off into obscurity. He was great with the shield as an up and coming young stud.

He is just a total heel
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They should put Dean Ambrose on Raw and just reform The Shield officially. They're better collectively than they are separately IMO, and it's also the one way to guarantee Roman gets cheered because The Shield were over as fuck.
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I was on board for a Shield reunion, but I think they can get a lot out of Reigns as a solo act as a heel. Destor is right, in a sense, but he could be so "interesting" if they embraced his "shades of grey."
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:07 PM   #104
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which is a giant problem in itself.
Good or bad it cant be changed or "fixed." It simply is.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:10 PM   #105
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Everyone saying Reigns not getting a traidional pop means he should be shot down the card doesnt get it. TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.
Yea but they make it a point to downplay or outright lie about his reactions.

Its still Important to them that he is seen in a positive light.

For the record I like him right where he is just not enough to cheer.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:35 PM   #106
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TImes have changed. The curtain is back and faces and heels are done. In the traditional sense. At least at the top. The buisiness of the business is the work now.
That's a big part of the problem though and part of the reason why the presentation and writing makes no sense and why interest has dwindled. They script almost everything with a wink and a nod to say it's not legit so we should just take it and enjoy it, all the while saying that "OMG! What just happened is super seriously important guys! Tune in!"

Never got that feeling during the Attitude era. Even though everyone knew it wasn't legit, every aspect of the product was treated with at least a minimal amount of seriousness/consistency, even when it didn't necessarily get over or wasn't executed well. There were no conflicting messages being sent.
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The "Get called out on a strawman so clearly that you can't even bullshit a response so you have to just throw a completely random, nonsensical insult out of nowhere to try to save face" tactic is definitely a norman smiley move. This theory is strong.



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Roman's not ready to take the Reigns. that is this brilliant motherfucker's hot take.

Awesome performer though but he's been rushed to the top.

I mean I know it's hard to believe a company can make a mistake, but I do believe they've made a mistake forcing Reigns down everyone's throats.
Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.
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He won a mid card title and was still featured in the main event every week. I agree he doesn't need to be shot down the card but he at least needs to be booked toward his strengths and that something they don't do. Like many have said what actually makes him a face other than he fights the bad guys? The guy has a natural heel look to him and I don't see any thing in him that shouts franchise guy.
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Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.
I'm curious as to what dues you think he's paid. Was featured prominently in the Shield and was pushed as the star of the group once they split. Maybe you are talking about his time in NXT as Leakee but as far as main roster goes he hasn't.
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I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.

But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch.

Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania.
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I'm curious as to what dues you think he's paid. Was featured prominently in the Shield and was pushed as the star of the group once they split. Maybe you are talking about his time in NXT as Leakee but as far as main roster goes he hasn't.
Reigns works his ass off whenever he is out there. It doesn't make up for his lack of babyface charisma, but he works his ass off.
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Replying but still avoiding a response to being called out on his strawman and opting for an unrelated insult again.

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I think Noid might get jumped before his TPWWMania match against CyNick which will require his manager Fan to valiantly step in to the match in his place.
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