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Old 05-20-2011, 08:04 PM   #81
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Additionally, I don't care how I come off as. I know what I'm saying isn't popular, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope jj can grow a set and fight rashad. Oh, wait...I see a jump pad.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:13 AM   #82
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I hope he doesn't sleep on Davis cause that guy's wrestling is beast mode activated..
You know Davis has good wrestling... But then what? His striking is still evolving, and his submissions are ok. I hope he is working dilligently on that before this fight.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:40 AM   #83
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His submissions are sick..

He got Tim Boetch with a kimura and Alexander Gustofson with a choke he invented himself...
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:43 AM   #84
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Rashad has never subbed anyone in the UFC..

FYI
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I AM a real MMA fan, I've got my tap out t shirts, and I train UFC everyday. Anyhow, I guess I can put Shad's nuts down long enough to say that it boggles me how Machida can go from potentially cut from the UFC, to crane kicking his way to a 50/50 (w/rampage) for an October title fight. Thiago Silva is somewhere pissed that he couldn't get a better fake pee sample!
Not gonna lie, I'd mark out pretty big for Jon Jones v. Rampage Jackson. Jones/Machida... not so much. If Hamill beats Rampage, I think he'd get the nod as #1 contender for a title match, if only for Jones to avenge his "loss."
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Yea..Hamill would pee his panties if he was asked to sign a rematch with Bones, he almost got murderd last time
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His submissions are sick..

He got Tim Boetch with a kimura and Alexander Gustofson with a choke he invented himself...
I don't know see Davis submitting Evans, or probably even controlling Evans on the ground.
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I see Evans holding grappling advantage when they step in the cage. Just watch Evans takedown Rampage, the way he sets up his takedowns with combo's and then effortlessly changes levels for the takedown. By the time Rampage was looking to counter and take Evans head off, Evans already had his waist and hips and was driving him to the mat.
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Yeah but I'd venture that Jon Jones is a better wrestler than Rampage. Since Rampage has been at Wolfslair, his wrestling has been less than threatening. Jones is kind of a mystery every time he goes in there, noone knows QUITE how good his wrestling is just yet, but up to this point, he's been extremely dominant with it. I don't think Rashad could outgrapple Matt Hamill the way Jon Jones did, for instance.
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I wasn't referring to Jones, but that wouldn't surprise me either.
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I don't know see Davis submitting Evans, or probably even controlling Evans on the ground.
I didn't say he would.. just saying he has sub wins while Rashad doesn't..
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Is Jon Jones ducking The Rapture?
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The Rapture ducked Jon Jones. At least that's what I'll believe until The Rapture shows up. Sure hope The Rapture grows a set.
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Rashad has never subbed anyone in the UFC..

FYI
I never said he did, FYI.
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Jones/Rampage would be a great match. Page pretty much flew his crew to his house to train for Machida and Hamill. He looked so much better against machida, it will be interesting to see how he looks Saturday.

CSL, I swear, you will be seeking my permanent banning when I say I told you so every day for a year after jones finds another way outta fighting Rashad.
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Did the rapture back out of an optional surgery for an injury that it had fought with since college? There's a lot of that going around...
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Your permanent banning? That sounds kinky.
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Did the rapture back out of an optional surgery for an injury that it had fought with since college? There's a lot of that going around...
Nah mane, The Rapture merely tricked some really easily led people into believing something seemingly preposterous was fact when the rest of the world could see it was actually quite laughable.
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CSL as much as you claim that I'm a nutthugging fanboy, you have to be suckling from the teet of the Jon jones/UFC hype machine. If three outta four doctors told my employee to get surgery...he would get goddam surgery. But I'm jumping to conclusions, just like the doctors. Im also jumping to conclusions to question the auspicious timing of all of these events too.
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I'm telling you Krim, the only reason this is an issue is because Malki Kawa is a dumbass who has no idea about public relations. He's the one who's been contradicting himself like a bumbling fool.

As outspoken as Dana White is about everything, I think there's a reason why he hasn't said anything at all about this. It's because it's not an issue. Hopefully Bones gets a real agent so he can capitalize on his success.
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Dana did say something about it, about it being absurd to suggest he faked an injury because all injuries including Jones' are checked by UFC doctors in Vegas as well as any personal ones or something like that
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All Dana said was nobody lies about their injuries because the UFC flies them out to see their doctor. One doctor.

I was referring to the fact that Dana hasn't backed up Kawa's claim that Jones saw four UFC doctors, three of whom suggested surgery that a fourth one somehow didn't think was necessary the day before the surgery was to take place, but still interestingly enough after the fight was already cancelled and Rashad had a new opponent.

Kawa is an idiot and a liar who has made Jones look like a liar or at least a fool for having him as his manager.

Jones was given an INDEFINITE medical suspension three days after the Rua fight pending X-rays, an MRI and orthopedic clearance of his right hand. This was on March 23rd. According to Kawa back in April,

"The week after the fight with 'Shogun' went by, his hand started to feel a little bit better. The UFC immediately had the hand X-rayed because they thought it might be broken, and the results came back negative. He was told just to rest the hand, and it would probably get better. Unfortunately, the pain remained, and even shaking people's hands was starting to hurt him very badly. He told me how bad it was hurting, and I was in the middle of discussion with the UFC for the Rashad Evans fight, which was expected to take place in Philadelphia."

Why would the UFC set a specific date for the Evans fight if they didn't have reason to believe their new poster boy would be 100% healthy and clear for reinstatement? And if you're this guys agent and your client has told you his hand is still really bothering him while you're still in preliminary discussions, why wouldn't you inform the UFC then and pull the plug on the fight instead of letting them announce the fight and put your client in a position where he may have to pull out of a fight he may or may not have been able to take anyways?

As far as the doctor issue goes, back in April when Jones withdrew Kawa said,

"Jon wanted to fight the fight with a torn ligament, but I was completely against it," Kawa said. "We called a bunch of doctors all across the country – people that he knew, people that I knew – and all the doctors confirmed the same thing: If he's got a torn ligament in his hand, then he needs surgery or it will not heal correctly. At 23 years old, Jon is talking about taking cortisone shots and trying to deal with it as best as he could without really repairing it."

So were these UFC referred doctors Jones had to be dragged kicking and screaming to go see as Kawa is saying now, or were these doctors that him and Jones actively sought out and called for advice as he said back in April before people started accusing Jones of ducking Rashad?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23373/mana...at-ufc-133.mma

Kawa got caught in his own web of lies and is making Jon Jones look as dumb as he is.
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I'm telling you Krim, the only reason this is an issue is because Malki Kawa is a dumbass who has no idea about public relations. He's the one who's been contradicting himself like a bumbling fool.

As outspoken as Dana White is about everything, I think there's a reason why he hasn't said anything at all about this. It's because it's not an issue. Hopefully Bones gets a real agent so he can capitalize on his success.
Being honest...I know marketing is pure spin, and this is just a good example of poor info management/damage control. This also is a great indicator of how "behind the times" MMA management is. I think jones would benefit well from assessing his management team, ESP if Matt mitrione would fire this douche!
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i dont know whether to take this thread seriously or not, K7. i think probably not. it seems like self-deluted homer-talk. and i am a Rashad Evans fan. in fact Rashad is my favorite UFC fighter (and has been since he kicked Mike Whitehead's ass on TUF-2), and anyone else is a distant second. i never have and never will understand the undying negativity towards this fighter who has consistently smashed all expectations, and frankly, when most people say shit like "Forest Griffin or [insert fighter] is going to destroy Rashad" or otherwise make a statement to the effect that Rashad isn't at the very highest level of elite fighters, those people are also (transparently, at this point) wilfully deluting themselves. and one other point on behalf of Rashad Evans: NOBODY; N-O-B-O-D-Y...deserves a title shot more than Rashad Evans. NOBODY. it's his shot.

having said that, the nature of this thread is ludacris, and overtly contrary. you gotta believe going into this that Jon Jones is a heavy favorite to win this fight. i will be going for Rashad, but i understand that the short money would have to be on Jon Jones.

the way i see it, these are how the advantages line up:

JONES:

physicallity: 84" reach. couple that with:
striking: very unorthodox, yet highly effective striker, and:
wrestling: crazy takedowns, and when Jones takes you down, he can keep you down - whereas Rashad has had some difficulty keeping some fighters down.

EVANS:

speed: advantage Evans.
athletesism: i give a slight advantage to Rashad (historically, anyway) but when it comes to endurance, i think both Rashad and Jones fade a bit in later rounds.
power: one puch knock out power
experience: yes, Jones has destroyed everyone he's faced. yes, i do think Rashad has faced tougher opponents - and won. yes, i DO think Rashad too would have beaten the Shogun that showed up to fight Jon Jones.

*possible factor in favor of Jones: they've trained together, so they know each other, but Jones currently trains at the camp from which Rashad has been displaced, where he had trained for years. Greg Jackson probably knows more about Rashad Evans than Rashad Evans or anyone else knows about Jon Jones.

anyway, yes, i understand that it gets frustrating that so many people, for whatever reasons, fail to give our favorite fighter the recognition and the respect that he deserves, but when you come out with a thread like this, you sound almost as bad as the Rashad haters. Jon Jones isnt "ducking" Rashad. its actually a leap of logic to come to that conclusion.
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What started as a comedy-ish thread got outta control. I kept it going. In fairness, Inexperience goes out the window when u haves JJ tools. I think shad has the recipe to take jones down, and make the fight uncomfortable for the champ. How does jones look off his back? How does Jon jones handle somebody just as quick, who don't give a damn about respecting his striking? Shad will make him answer these questions.
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Rashad isn't going to respect somebodies like Jon Jones' striking? With that chin? Come on guy.
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Not saying anything about his fucking chin! Rashad will push a pace on Jon jones ... Wh don't you tell me what to say CSL
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You insinuated Rashad won't respect his striking. Those are your words, right up there ^ If that is the case, he probably gets knocked the fuck out. That is the only point I was trying to make. There's no need to start crying because people keep calling you out on the daft parts of your posts. That is merely what happens when your posts contain daft things. Calm down sweetheart.
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It's my fault. I need to make sure that the most novice, retarded,asinine poster,read: CSL, can understand my post. When somebody you routinely sparred with hits you, it's no surprise in their power. There is no need to feel them out, you know what their arsenal of attacks feel like. To this date, nobody can say that they have had thatadvantagge against Jon jones. Rashad has sparred with Jones, when Jon jones was swinging from the hip. He knows the power, it's not to say Evans will walk in chin up hands down. It IS to say, the extra confidence can be a vital edge for Rashad.

I get the breakdown in communication now!
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But Jones has the same advantage in that he has sparred with Shad..
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you do realise when throwing knees/elbow (ie./ jones' bestest standing weapons.. and probably ground for elbows too) the tendency is to hold back a shitload or pad the absolute fuck out of everything, right? otherwise rashad would have walked out of sparring looking like monica bellucci after the subway scene in irreversible.
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It's my fault. I need to make sure that the most novice, retarded,asinine poster,read: CSL, can understand my post. When somebody you routinely sparred with hits you, it's no surprise in their power. There is no need to feel them out, you know what their arsenal of attacks feel like. To this date, nobody can say that they have had thatadvantagge against Jon jones. Rashad has sparred with Jones, when Jon jones was swinging from the hip. He knows the power, it's not to say Evans will walk in chin up hands down. It IS to say, the extra confidence can be a vital edge for Rashad.

I get the breakdown in communication now!
lol fucking hell, you really are a silly boy. If that was what you meant with your post, that is what you should have written. Instead you wrote that Rashad isn't going to respect his striking. Which is absolute bollocks. And is absolutely not the point you have made here. If anything, everything you wrote there suggests that Rashad very much will respect his striking because he knows what Jones can do. If anything, it's something more for Rashad to be wary of, especially after what Jones did to Shogun, as opposed to being 'extra confidence'. But please, continue inserting your tongue into another man's anus, I'd like to see what other Rashad pearls of wisdom you can come up with.
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If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?

Regardless, all of this is a moot point, Jones is content to face rampage or machida next, due to unfortunate booking issues. All this could've been squashed had the next GOAT had stepped up and said he wanted to fight glass jaw Evans... But he didn't now, did he? Even with the rash of injuries ruining cards, it's hard to believe Dana would deny a hyped champ requesting a match with such a rival....
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If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?
Are you really this naive/gullible/impressionable/that willing to buy into every word that Rashad comes out with? I suppose that if Rashad told everybody he was quitting the UFC to take a shot at the NFL and he can outplay Peyton Manning with his eyes closed, you'd be starting a thread about him taking over as the Colts starting QB. If you honestly, truly believe that in a training session in some mythological far away land that Jon Jones hit Rashad full contact with everything he has, after everything we've seen him do to the likes of Shogun, Matt Hamill and Brandon Vera, AND IT FUCKING DID NOT PHASE HIM then you are out of your deluded mind and I've got some broken electronics I'd like to sell to you. I'm surprised you didn't attempt to sue Rashad when he claimed he was going to 'beat Lyoto Machida in the 3rd round' only to get knocked silly. He is hyping the fight, he is trying to make people believe what he is saying (maybe even himself) he is trying to wind up/agitate Jones and maybe throw him off of his game but mostly he is creating a buzz and trying to do what all fighters benefit from which is sell tickets. You surely cannot be this dense/blindly spooning Rashad's balls.
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Rashad isn't going to respect somebodies like Jon Jones' striking? With that chin? Come on guy.
he's been knocked out by Machida. he's been rocked by two heavy hitters, and admittedly, didnt exactly look graceful when trying to recover. but he did recover (both times) and went on to finish those rounds in the dominant position.

and he's only lost ONE fight.

call me crazy, but i'm not ready to assume that Rashad has a "glass chin." a "suspect" chin, sure, since it didnt look [to me] like Rampage had hit him with anything solid, but "suspect" is about as far as i'd go with that.

*edit: obviously, i'm not arguing that Rashad wont nor shouldnt respect Jon Jones' striking. just that it seems a little premature to say that a man with one loss has no chin.
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I wouldn't say I'm ready to write him off as having a glass chin but he's been rocked more and more (and twatted silly in Machida's case and was there to be finished against Rampage and Thiago only Thiago was fucked and Rampage was throwing wildly) as his calibre of opponent has risen. And Jon Jones has already proven that he can be devastating against some of the very best/guys that don't have a "suspect" chin. It'd have to be a factor in a fight between the two.
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If you hit me with everything you have, AND IT FUCKING DOES NOT PHASE ME, and I can proceed to work my offense and get the better of you in a round, why the fuck would I be wary of your striking? Rashad has gone on record saying as much about sparring with Jon jones, multiple rounds on multiple days. If he believes that, why would he cower?

Regardless, all of this is a moot point, Jones is content to face rampage or machida next, due to unfortunate booking issues. All this could've been squashed had the next GOAT had stepped up and said he wanted to fight glass jaw Evans... But he didn't now, did he? Even with the rash of injuries ruining cards, it's hard to believe Dana would deny a hyped champ requesting a match with such a rival....
You do realize that guys don't go all out in training, right? I don't care what Rashad says, if you think guys are legitimately trying to KO their sparring partners in training, you're crazy. The only place they really train close to that hard is Chute Box I believe. And that's fucking stupid when there guys end up missing fights because they're getting ribs broken in sparring.
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You do realize that guys don't go all out in training, right? I don't care what Rashad says, if you think guys are legitimately trying to KO their sparring partners in training, you're crazy. The only place they really train close to that hard is Chute Box I believe. And that's fucking stupid when there guys end up missing fights because they're getting ribs broken in sparring.
In my limited experience training...there are Definitely times where you hold back, and you do spare your partners.... But you HAVE to have rounds where you go into deep waters and both partners understand that shit is gonna get thick. Do I believe any sparring rumors? No, I don't. But rashad has sparred with him, And rashad believes he can be that dude to expose Jon Jones.
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Are you really this naive/gullible/impressionable/that willing to buy into every word that Rashad comes out with? I suppose that if Rashad told everybody he was quitting the UFC to take a shot at the NFL and he can outplay Peyton Manning with his eyes closed, you'd be starting a thread about him taking over as the Colts starting QB. If you honestly, truly believe that in a training session in some mythological far away land that Jon Jones hit Rashad full contact with everything he has, after everything we've seen him do to the likes of Shogun, Matt Hamill and Brandon Vera, AND IT FUCKING DID NOT PHASE HIM then you are out of your deluded mind and I've got some broken electronics I'd like to sell to you. I'm surprised you didn't attempt to sue Rashad when he claimed he was going to 'beat Lyoto Machida in the 3rd round' only to get knocked silly. He is hyping the fight, he is trying to make people believe what he is saying (maybe even himself) he is trying to wind up/agitate Jones and maybe throw him off of his game but mostly he is creating a buzz and trying to do what all fighters benefit from which is sell tickets. You surely cannot be this dense/blindly spooning Rashad's balls.
Don't change the subject...this isn't a thread about how much Peyton manning sucks. I'm through trying to even explain a simple fact that there are rounds of full on, 100% sparring. They just don't happen every day. as much as you deep throat jon jones' striking, is shogun, vera, or hamill the caliber of athlete with the speed of Evans? Regardless, my cupping his balls have nothing to do with the fact that Rashad believes what he is saying. And he is willing to step in the octagon with jones (try to deny this fact). And for the myriad of suppositions, jones isn't willing to fight jonesright now. If you've EVER competed in anything athletic, you know there's practice. And you DO NOT GET BETTER IN PRACTICE IF YOU ARE BUSY PROTECTING OTHER PEOPLE. The higher up you go in any sport, the harder you have to train and practice. I'm sure that this too sounds ludacris to you too.
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