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Old 02-25-2009, 07:18 PM   #201
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Michael Bay does not "make entertainment". He produces well. His movies always have good visuals -- when he's producing. He has no idea what makes a decent script or how to direct anything.

And besides, "The Wrestler" -- which I haven't seen -- IS entertainment. Any movie that's good is entertaining. That is to say, it doesn't have to be mindless drivel to be entertaining: it has to make you happy that you watched. And a sloppy sequel to a sloppy movie doesn't strike me as entertainment. If that's what you call enticing, then that's great. But bad is still bad.
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:52 PM   #202
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Michael Bay does not "make entertainment". He produces well. His movies always have good visuals -- when he's producing. He has no idea what makes a decent script or how to direct anything.

And besides, "The Wrestler" -- which I haven't seen -- IS entertainment. Any movie that's good is entertaining. That is to say, it doesn't have to be mindless drivel to be entertaining: it has to make you happy that you watched. And a sloppy sequel to a sloppy movie doesn't strike me as entertainment. If that's what you call enticing, then that's great. But bad is still bad.
It's a lot easier to get excited when you are going solely for the giant robots, and not for great plot development.
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Alan is right about one thing. The Wrestler (and films with GREAT movie status that were implied) are entertaining. I don't think anyone claimed otherwise about better films.

I disagree with the rest though.

When someone says "Transformers is entertaining", it doesn't neccesarilly mean that greater films aren't entertaining too. They are. Perhaps moreso.

It's not so black and white though. It's not like only great or well above average movies can be entertaining. Their level of brilliance is what distinguishes them as great. But there is also such a thing as "good" and "pretty good", or "above average".
It's not as if there's only high art, and then everything else is garbage.

Just because a film isn't high art, doesn't mean it's garbage. Not every movie sets out to explore the human condition or move the art forward. Some just set out to thrill, or entertain.

There is such a thing as good movies that don't hold a candle to great ones. Subtle levels my friend. It's the essence of criticism and your own enjoyment. The sooner you realize this about the movie industry, the better it will be for you.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:15 PM   #204
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:37 PM   #206
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:15 PM   #208
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I just read that article that Kalyx posted. I agree with it to a degree, but I think, to a degree, the problem is more than just taking a random game and giving it a Hollywood ending and making it so the gamers hate it and the masses are still not interested.

Compare original Punisher and original Captain America from a decade or more ago to your Spider-Man and your Dark Knights of today. What changed? We went from okay movies to record breaking box office hits. Even graphic novels that people have never heard of (Watchmen) are getting made. Not saying every comic movie has or will be a smash hit, but it is no longer "oh, a comic movie? Eh." They're a legit deal.

So basically, what happened with comics needs to happen with video games for there to ever be a "good video game movie" that pleases the masses and the fans. It would probably be Metal Gear Solid or GTA because those are two of the most ubiquituos. Games are sophisticated enough now that you really shouldn't need to do anything to them plotwise or even much visually (though I could see why they did what they did with Doom, because having just one guy going aroung fragging monsters would have been boring).
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Superhero movies made the jump thanks to two things. One was special effects allowing for them to be possible.
Another was the first Tim Burton Batman, allowing them to be darker and more "serious."
They came a long way from there, but it was a huge breakthrough at the time.

Video game movies have the effects at their disposal to be realized on film. That's not the problem.
The problem is they need a Batman, or Xmen like breakthrough to start the trend. What franchise has that potential both in terms of popularity and depth of story?
I honestly don't know.
This leads back to my argument that games can never compare or easily transform to movies because they lack the same storytelling priorities. Comics are about telling stories visually, and so are movies. Key word:telling.
Video games are about involving the "viewer" as a player. They're not designed, at least fully, to be thematic and deep. The storyline can be strong, but at the end of the day it revolves around facilitating interesting interactive situations, and exciting things to shoot or race from. You are not being fully told the story. There's less authorship. The player takes control at some point.

It's not the same.


Maybe something like Halo could really break the glass ceiling, if the entire premise was gutted and written for the screen and injected with some thematic elements. It has to be something of that cultural level, helmed by someone like Peter Jackson or James Cameron. Nothing less will suffice. I don't see how anyone can expect a second rate franchise, directed by a second rate director to get over on any meaningful level.
It HAS to be huge, and handled seriously by someone who is concerned with making the best possible movie with the basic source material. If they try to follow it too closely or play to fanboys, it's gonna be a video game cinematic in movie form and that has sucked.

The problem with video game movies is that they're made like video games. It's not about characters and themes.
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The superhero genre took a huge boom after 9/11. Spider-Man (2002) was the beginning of the trend. In a world plunged into uncertainty and villainy, it's no wonder that people began taking more closely to stories about people who had the power to save the world.
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Some of the best video games don't -need- to be movies, as they practically are, and they make just about as much as those box office hits.
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I agree with that, Fox. My friend actually wrote his film theory paper on it. The only thing is, the studios began buying up all the movie rights and planning the productions after Xmen, and before Spider-Man.

Spider-Man and the post-911 reaction obviously helped the success of the films, but it had started anyways.
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So basically, what happened with comics needs to happen with video games for there to ever be a "good video game movie" that pleases the masses and the fans. It would probably be Metal Gear Solid
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The problem with video game movies is that they're made like video games. It's not about characters and themes.
This is true. If you made Solid Snake a legit hero or the guy from Vice City a legit...well he didn't have much character.

I see what you're saying about games and yes, in games there is usually a test of repetitive skill rather than an involving story. I would hope to cull games that are on the more involving story end of things. There are plenty out there. I think what will really hurt them though is the lack of awareness. Video game movies don't tend to get marketed that well (probably because they are already doomed) so even if somebody wanted to see or rent House of Dead, how would they know? That may change, as a lot of games are played online. I really think that is changing the way people play games, so as the medium evolves it may have long-term effects in other areas of culture, but that is speculative.

I'm not saying that it would or should happen very often. I just think there is a way to reconcile what the public would watch and what fanboys expect.
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David Hayter has an MGS script, but for whatever reason they're not biting. That to me is insane - what better guy to consider than the one who has so much experience on the game plots, and is a good screenplay writer himself?

I think Mortal Kombat was a really decent videogame movie, though it didn't kick off a trend. Resident Evil was also good, then great when compared to the latter films.

The genre has a long way to go before it hits TDK levels of polish and success. Maybe a generation away even.
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Alan is right about one thing. The Wrestler (and films with GREAT movie status that were implied) are entertaining. I don't think anyone claimed otherwise about better films.

I disagree with the rest though.

When someone says "Transformers is entertaining", it doesn't neccesarilly mean that greater films aren't entertaining too. They are. Perhaps moreso.

It's not so black and white though. It's not like only great or well above average movies can be entertaining. Their level of brilliance is what distinguishes them as great. But there is also such a thing as "good" and "pretty good", or "above average".
It's not as if there's only high art, and then everything else is garbage.

Just because a film isn't high art, doesn't mean it's garbage. Not every movie sets out to explore the human condition or move the art forward. Some just set out to thrill, or entertain.

There is such a thing as good movies that don't hold a candle to great ones. Subtle levels my friend. It's the essence of criticism and your own enjoyment. The sooner you realize this about the movie industry, the better it will be for you.
I'm a fan of Mystery Science Theater, RiffTrax and Cinematic Titanic. In that aspect, yeah, movies like TransFormers and Batman & Robin are phenominal. Otherwise, bad movies are just bad movies. And, I hate to crack the glass, but TF was just really bad.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say Transformers was "really bad". Just seems really harsh considering it's a simple summer action flick.

Troll 2 was really bad. Dragonball will be really bad.

Honestly, if you think transformers was really bad, then you took it too seriously. Just my thought on it.
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Transformers is fun as hell. Also, I'm sure a few on here can sense that I can be tough on movies.
It is by no means "really bad." That doesn't mean you have to like it.
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Looks like they responded to people not liking bumble bee's voice even though he had 2 short sentences in the first movie.

Ultimately from a stroyline point of view its a dumb decision, in the first movie frenzy got his whole body regenerated by the allspark just by being near it, yet bumblebee was holding it and it obviously didn't help him with his vocal problems, or later when he had his legs bown off and he was holding it.

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Or revive Jazz or affect the machines that held it at the dam. Hey, whatchagonndo, right? Looks like a kick ass movie.
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Any movie that has Megan Fox taking clothes off is a winner in my book.

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Welp that's offical....this movie can do no wrong.
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Oh...before I forget....new Trailer being released to the general public on the 30th. New scenes and some new info shall be revealed.

Including Megan Fox in a Bikini straddling a motercycle.
If your in a hurry to see it you can head to movieblog.com

Its a few posts down but they have the trailer up there. Its not a full screen type of trailer but it is the newest one just filmed by some kid in the theater.

Im assuming this is gonna be one of the new trailers in front of Wolverin alone side GI Joe which also gets a full trailer this weekend.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:23 AM   #233
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So uh...remember how I said Megan Fox was in a Bikini straddling a motercycle? I was wrong.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809943432/trailer

Just really...really...tight jeans.
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So uh...remember how I said Megan Fox was in a Bikini straddling a motercycle? I was wrong.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809943432/trailer

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Ahe-hem....
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:45 PM   #237
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Kalyx, the rest of us don't play with toys. Posting that is pointless.
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Given the amount of porn and toys Kalyx posts, he was and still is the kid who if you go over to his house all of his toys are sticky.
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Fuck you. I still play with my Transformers toys.

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