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Old 01-14-2010, 08:22 PM   #81
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It's like NBC can't catch a break. They become the number 4 network or something and now this.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:49 PM   #82
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NY Times article from 1992 when Leno was first starting at the Tonight Show and NBC was possibly going to replace him with Letterman...

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/23/ar...l?pagewanted=1
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Jay Leno, expressing what he called "surprise and disappointment" with NBC executives, said yesterday that he believed his performance as the host of the "Tonight" show should have more than satisfied the network and that he did not deserve to be threatened with losing the leading show in late-night television to David Letterman.

"Am I crazy?" Mr. Leno said in a telephone interview. "The ratings are going up, the advertisers are happy and so are the affiliates." And yet Mr. Leno said he had not received any assurances from NBC executives in New York that he would not be dropped in favor of Mr. Letterman by Jan. 15. That is the deadline NBC is facing to match a CBS offer to give Mr. Letterman about $16 million to star in a nightly talk show at 11:30, the same time as the "Tonight" show.

"I am disappointed," Mr. Leno said. "I feel like a guy who has bought a car from somebody, painted it, fixed it up and made it look nice and then the guy comes back and says he promised to sell the car to his brother-in-law." Go Elsewhere? 'Of Course'

Mr. Leno said he would "obviously leave NBC immediately" if the network decided to give the "Tonight" show to Mr. Letterman. He said he would absolutely refuse to do a show in the 12:30 A.M. spot now occupied by Mr. Letterman's show, "Late Night," and would indeed consider creating the same problem for NBC that Mr. Letterman's proposed deal with CBS caused.

"Would I go to CBS if they asked me?" Mr. Leno said. "Of course. I'm not going to do some little happy hour from Omaha at 12:30."
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:13 PM   #83
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Exclusive: Key source in Conan O'Brien negotiations says deal 'possible' by the weekend
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A key source in the ongoing negotiations between NBC and Conan O’Brien denied an internet report that a deal was in place to return Jay Leno to The Tonight Show, but did speak optimistically about the talks and a possible end to the time shift disaster that has captivated the media and — ironically — reinvigorated Leno’s and O’Brien’s ratings over the last four days. “We would like to see it resolved by the weekend,” said the source, who did not want to be identified by name because of the heightened sensitivity surrounding the meetings. “It’s possible.”

It seems likely that Leno will end up returning to The Tonight Show where he earned the title of the King of Late Night, while O’Brien’s representatives will negotiate a settlement for the 46-year-old comedian to leave the network. It also seems certain that the settlement will involve some sort of compromise that prevents O’Brien from immediately jumping to the competition. Late Night with Jimmy Fallon will continue to air at 12:30 p.m. “The whole point of a settlement is to negotiate a way out — a way that Conan can, over time, still perform and earn his living — and NBC is comfortable with the decision they are making,” the source said. “Its all part of a negotiation.”
Though public perception is strong that NBC treated O’Brien unfairly by demanding that he retreat to the 12:05 p.m. timeslot to accommodate The Jay Leno Show at 11:35 p.m., the source stressed that NBC “always has the right to cancel, always has the right to fire” someone based on performance. The source added that there are no timeslot restrictions in O’Brien’s contract, so the network was within its right to move The Tonight Show (even though it has never aired at 12:05 a.m. in the show’s 55-year history). The source also added that a heavily-reported clause in O’Brien’s contract that guaranteed him a hefty payout of $40 million or more if he wasn’t given The Tonight Show was not applicable here.

The source acknowledged that both sides have consulted with Universal Studios President/COO Ron Meyer for assistance in the talks.
NBC’s handling of O’Brien has been harshly denounced by fans and the nation’s TV critics, which has culminated with multiple online campaigns that call for NBC to keep the redhead. The source said that NBC wasn’t troubled by the attacks as much as they were by O’Brien’s jokes regarding Jay Leno (sample yuk from Jan. 13: “You can do anything you want in life, unless Jay Leno wants to do it, too.”) Says the source, “It’s completely wrong, uncalled for, and I don’t quite know where it’s coming from.”
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:00 PM   #84
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The source said that NBC wasn’t troubled by the attacks as much as they were by O’Brien’s jokes regarding Jay Leno (sample yuk from Jan. 13: “You can do anything you want in life, unless Jay Leno wants to do it, too.”) Says the source, “It’s completely wrong, uncalled for, and I don’t quite know where it’s coming from.”
Really?? You really don't know where it's coming from??
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Wow. Apparently Jeff Zucker is threatening to keep Conan off the air all together for the next 3.5 years until his contract runs out.

What a fucking narcissistic asshole
would that preclude him from writing stuff or is that included too?
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:18 PM   #86
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would that preclude him from writing stuff or is that included too?
It depends what his contract covers. Basically, if NBC ices him for 3.5 years, Conan would be bound by his contract.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:35 AM   #87
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It would suck if he got blocked from working elsewhere. It's just entirely unfair that they can bump him off the air for Leno to take his spot back, send him packing, and not even have to worry about him going to Fox.
But contracts are contracts so we'll see how that all works. NBC sucks for this already, but if this whole thing causes there to be no Conan on TV for any lengthy period of time, I'm going to be really pissed
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:47 AM   #88
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For the record, NBC isn't bumping Conan off the air... Conan did decide not to go to 12:05.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:56 AM   #89
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Yea but they're still responsible. They bumped him off of his timeslot, but it's also a calculate move and a slap in the face. True, Conan doesn't have to leave, but he has some pride.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:12 AM   #90
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Jimmy Kimmel on the Jay Leno Show. Pretty great.
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I saw that earlier on TV. Probably the funniest thing on the Jay Leno Show since its inception.
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I always liked Jimmy Kimmel -- but now I love him.
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Obviously TPWW is not in the Jay Leno demographic. Here are what some Jay Leno fans have to say (from the Jay Leno Community at http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showforum=366

MY HUSBAND AND I LOVED JAY AT 11:35. LOVED HEADLINES, LOVED JAY WALKING, LOVED MONOLOGUE. Now at 10 it's AWFUL Hate the format...hate seeing Jay look so uncomfortable sitting without a desk next to the guest.
Even Jay Leno fans think he is awful. The dude can buy himself a desk if it looks awkward.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:58 AM   #94
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Jimmy Kimmel on the Jay Leno Show. Pretty great.
Fucking OUCH. Can't believe anyone at NBC thought interviewing him on Leno's show would be a good idea. It's not like he was pro-Leno or neutral in the days before. Putting pretty much anyone pro-Conan on his show from now on will be a mistake, especially if they have even half the balls Kimmel has
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Lately, some of Leno's seagments are so uneventful that it seems like a talkshow, rather than a comedy.

Conan and Fallon are good.

Steven Colbert = greatness
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Yeah, I seriously have a new respect for Kimmel.
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You gotta love how Kimmel invited Leno into his yard, and Leno declined. That is pretty much Leno admitting he can't go blow-for-blow with Kimmel, who was owning Leno that entire segment. I don't know why the powers that be allowed that to happen, but whoever it was does not have a good sense of Leno's abilities.

Leno's status might be good for immediate ratings, or whatever. I think a lot of that is routine, a fanbase that Leno had established over 17 years, and a myriad of other reasons -- but Leno is taking so many hits in this war. On his own show, too. There is a good chance he will come out of this looking like complete crap, and The Tonight Show with Jay Leno: The Sequel might really suffer because of it. Then they are stuck with Leno, because Fallon is nowhere near ready, and they chased off their heir in Conan.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:36 AM   #98
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They still have Carson Daly! lol





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I actually have no idea what Carson Daly even looks like. Truthfully, is he any good? He didn't get Conan's Late Night spot, so it makes you wonder...
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Carson Daly is bad. But since they reformatted his show he seems much more comfortable.
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Yeah he is really bad but you can tell that he is well aware of how shitty the show is, which gives it a bit of charm in my books
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More from the Jay Leno Forums

This is the mindset of a Jay Leno fan:

I have looked all over the site for a place to submit funny headlines that we find to you. I didn't have much time, so perhaps I just missed it. Maybe someone could create a "submit ideas here" hot button?

Anywho, I was online reading news yesterday when I saw this...

Publicist: Jude Law to be a father; mother unknown

It struck me funny, as usually it's the mother who's known and the father there is some doubt about.

Serious story and can be found at :
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-0...by_N.htm?csp=34

Looking forward to the new show!! Best of luck to you and your staff!

Kimberly


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This guy must think he is responsible for Jay's tenure at The Tonight Show. Hopefully he has killed himself now that The Jay Leno show is being canceled:


Dear Jay,

I just wanted to wish you the best of luck.

I'm not sure if you remember or ever got my letter when you first started hosting The Tonight Show, and you took a trip to New York to compete with David Letterman, who was leading. I wrote you a detailed plan where you should celebrate your stand-up background and Hollywood glamor, and even though your New York trip got good ratings, it was overall the wrong direction.

At some point you created the movable tongue that stretched out from the stage, brought in chairs to make the set look more like a stand-up club, brought in Hollywood power players, and you made The Tonight Show your own. Someone either had the same general idea that I did, or my comments hit home with someone, and you went with it, and you went on to do it spectacularly.

As you begin your new show at 10 pm, my only big piece of advice is to really think about the title of the show - "The Jay Leno Show". It's not do-all-the-same-things-that-worked-before show; it's a show that showcases you. You believe in hard work. You love cars. You love your wife. You like and think people are funny. You think real life is often funnier than fiction. These are great things.

On the Show Premiere and in the following episodes, my humble advice is as follows:

1. On the first night, after the monologue, talk directly into the camera to the people and tell them how you feel about the new show and this opportunity from the heart, before continuing with the show.

2. Do an expensive (where every dollar looks like it is on the screen) and extremely funny set piece that demonstrates your hard work and that you are raising the bar for yourself and the show.

3. In executive producing each show, think of each show like you are driving a great car on a great drive, where you can feel the road, hear the engine, wind blowing through your hair with the music cranked up. I bet you have many different favorite drives in your favorite cars and motorcycles. Recreate the pacing for the show from each of your favorite drives. It'll a feel right.

4. Have a regular set-piece that is inspired by your wife. It will be funny and help you with the female audience.

5. Find great and funny regular people that have amazing personalities or do amazing things to mix in with the celebrities on a regular basis.

6. Report wacky but true news with field correspondents (not like Jon Stewart) but more local interest humorous stories.

7. Avoid the Saturday Night Live problem - where it starts off funny and by the end, you can't believe have fast it got unfunny. Have at least three great set pieces - a fantastic beginning, spectacular middle and a showstopping end. Since you are at the 10 pm to 11 pm time slot, you need to be a good lead in and more viewers will watch to the end of the show.

Well, I think I've written enough. Take care and again, best of luck.

Sincerely,
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This woman's son's childhood idol is Jay Leno. That should be reason enough to cancel his show. Also she doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "apt".

Dear Jay,



I am posting this photo of my son, Zach Rice, with YOU at the recent Burbank Car show.

He is a busy little actor...and you are his IDOL...you were VERY KIND AND PATIENT with him. He has not stopped talking about that day...I am sure that you didn't know how much a few kind words would do to make a little boy happy...but...I guess...Now you know!!

Ironically...He was chosen to be FEATURED in one of your upcoming show skits for The Jay Leno Show...How ironic!

Our whole family has always been your fans...but...after your kindness to our "boy" ...We will be supporting you and cheering you on for ETERNITY!

Thanks from the bottom of our hearts!!

McKenzie (Zach's Mommy) and all of the Rice Family!!

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Let's get Jay Leno off the air so these people just worry about watching Everybody Loves Raymond reruns at 11:35 and that will be that.
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George Lopez did a bit on the whole ordeal on his talk show. Watching it reminds me that there are worse options than Leno. Lopez seriously makes Leno look like the comedic genius of our generation. God, is he ever awful. I mean AWFUL. I don't mean awful actually... I mean something miles past awful. My God. Really. Fuck.
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Jay Leno fans make me want to rip my face off. Why the fuck did that woman put "boy" in quotation marks? Is her child already a transvestite after suffering through his first meeting with Leno?

Here are some comments from NBC President Dick Ebersol:

NBC chairman Dick Ebersol says Conan O'Brien has nobody to blame but himself for getting the boot from The Tonight Show and called Conan and David Letterman's decision to take shots at Jay Leno "chicken-hearted and gutless" since neither can beat Leno in the ratings.

Ebersol went on to say that "what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan," says Conan refused to take advice on how to increase his ratings. Ebersol met with Conan three weeks before the changes were announced, urging Conan to adopt changes that both Johnny Carson and Jay Leno had adopted to increase ratings in central time zones like Chicago and Des Moines.

"I like Conan enormously personally," Mr. Ebersol said. "He was just stubborn about not being willing to broaden the appeal of his show." He added that NBC
"bet on the wrong guy."

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Seems like an exaggerated story to me. Conan changed a lot when he went to The Tonight Show. You can tell he took a chill pill, and for the first few weeks decided to play the "I'm gonna be a normal talk show host with elements of my personality" game. It didn't really work out, and ratings dropped. He then started to go back to his real persona, although you can tell by the way he's presented himself since this whole story broke, that he has tried to jump through a few hoops for NBC.

I remember when Conan took some time out after Johnny Carson's passing, to comment on advice Carson gave him when he first got the Late Night gig. He apparently told Conan to "always be himself." Conan has been himself for the past 17 years, and only now do NBC want him to change? Why give him the show in the first place? They stood by the offer for five years, and only decided to revoke it now, 7 months into his stint?

Leno also took two years to beat Letterman, and NBC threatened him with the same shit, until Leno managed to turn things around. They expected Conan to beat Letterman right away? Especially with Letterman getting some attention with his scandal? NBC put Conan on a pedestal, and haven't given him the chance to really earn a Tonight Show audience yet. He really only has his Late Night crowd following him still.

I hope Leno backfires on them big-time. The dude's not funny. Kimmel owned him on his own show. You don't get schooled on your own show unless you are an overrated hack. Leno was in the slot for 17 years, I bet he did do better than Conan in the ratings, initially.
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I'm not even sure going to Fox will be a great move for Conan. Everyone says now that NBC is so wretched and once Conan goes to Fox he will destroy Jay in the ratings. That isn't happening. More likely, Conan goes to Fox and ends up in a distant third because Fox has no evening programming. Jay gets back on top because he has a solid 5-night NBC line up again. Dave takes second place because the people who were just watching Dave because there is no more Jay can now watch Jay again.
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Sadly, I think you may be right, theddy. But, it should be noted that Leno is losing viewers during this whole mess, while Conan is gaining them. Momentum is definitely on Conan's side right now. He's on "the right side of history." I still feel that NBC should tell Leno to fuck-off, and let Conan and Letterman compete against each other. Right now, I don't think Leno has got the good will to follow through on any threats and head to another network. NBC is obviously thinking about the ratings, but by not taking their shit, Conan and the rest of the media have essentially damaged Leno's marketability. Leno would only be the "late night savior" to NBC, and not too many others.

I can't see NBC backing down on sheer principle, though.

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I'm reading up on the whole ratings thing now. Leno's run in prime time has essentially been credited with a weaker lead in for NBC's news broadcasts, which has in turn lead to a weaker lead-in for Conan. Is it too much for me to credit this to a genius (from a business, if not comedic perspective) plan on Leno's part?

If Jay Leno's prime time show was a success, then he would be laughing. The audience for prime time is about 40% larger than late night, so he would logically stand to make a lot more money through affiliates and such. Leno laughs all the way to the bank as he "moves on" from The Tonight Show, and becomes even more of a star over time. But if Leno falls flat on his face, then it creates that domino effect which pushes extra pressure on the news and Conan (who Leno very well knows is an acquired taste). Letterman beats Conan for a little while, and Leno can leverage his way back to The Tonight Show, where he did well.

I might be giving Leno too much credit here -- but it's obvious the guy did not want to bow-out. He obviously loves the spotlight, because God knows he has enough money after doing The Tonight Show for almost two decades.

UPDATE: Apparently Conan O'Brien's numbers continue to rise and rise while Leno's continue to fall and fall. Apparently O'Brien beat Leno by a 27% margin, even with Leno's prime-time slot. While this is almost certainly due to the media attention this war has been getting, the public consensus seems to be fairly one-sided: Conan = Good; Leno = Hitler. O'Brien's ratings are unlikely to stay as they are; but Conan being the acquired taste that he is, and being the loose cannon that he currently is, could make some permanent fans during this period. Also, if what the affiliates want are ratings, Conan is engulfing Leno's audience right now. Even if they say that Conan's "pre-hoopla" ratings weren't impressive, Conan still has the sympathy of his side of never really being given the chance Leno got in the timeslot, when Letterman was kicking his ass for two years.

Am I naive in thinking there is hope that NBC "lets the baby have his candy?"

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NBC is being too foolish with the whole mess they did. Leno might have his loyal viewers but that is because they have been with him for past 17 years for the 11:30 time frame. If Leno was great then he should have in theory kept the majority of his viewers since most would be able to watch his show earlier instead of having to go to bed for work or school. Instead most of his "loyal viewers" dropped watching him at 10pm.

Meanwhile Conan was in the process of building up his viewership for the long run (maybe takes 1-2 years without interruption) so for NBC to negotiate with Leno without Conan would have hurt the long term ratings buildup NBC is going to need. If Conan leaves and Fallon is the new #2 guy, NBC is going to fail big time if Fallon is set to be their #1 guy in a few years.

Fallon needs to build up his late late night viewers which takes a few years and then build up his late night viewers which takes another few years before he can even think of being ready for post-news show. It also gives Fallon time similar to what Conan needed to find his "gig" to make him unique and funny for the show.
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I agree with you, SM. I cannot think of a logical reason that Leno's ratings are not stronger if he moved to an earlier slot where more people would theoretically be able to watch him -- they just choose not to.

What really surprises me is that Leno's ratings have dropped through this ordeal. With all the noise about their shows, you would expect people to check out Leno, and give him a try, and see what he's bringing to the table. I may not be an expert on ratings, but Leno's ratings dropping right now cannot be a good sign, surely?
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The latest is that NBC has apparently offered Conan a $30 million dollar buyout. They apparently had an "all-nighter" arguing over whether or not NBC breached Conan's contract. If they did, I hope Conan takes them to the bank. If not, Conan's momentum has got NBC on the ropes if they are willing to pay him to keep him quiet.

It looks like this is about to finish up. It's sad that Leno gets The Tonight Show, but Conan can always say that he lived his dream. I'd love it if Conan went to FOX, and then started kicking Leno's ass. I'm not saying it will happen, but it'd just be justice. I can see NBC begging for Conan to return in the future.
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