01-14-2010, 08:22 PM | #81 |
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It's like NBC can't catch a break. They become the number 4 network or something and now this.
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01-14-2010, 08:49 PM | #82 | |
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NY Times article from 1992 when Leno was first starting at the Tonight Show and NBC was possibly going to replace him with Letterman...
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01-14-2010, 09:13 PM | #83 | |
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01-14-2010, 10:00 PM | #84 | |
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01-15-2010, 12:35 AM | #87 |
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It would suck if he got blocked from working elsewhere. It's just entirely unfair that they can bump him off the air for Leno to take his spot back, send him packing, and not even have to worry about him going to Fox.
But contracts are contracts so we'll see how that all works. NBC sucks for this already, but if this whole thing causes there to be no Conan on TV for any lengthy period of time, I'm going to be really pissed |
01-15-2010, 12:47 AM | #88 |
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For the record, NBC isn't bumping Conan off the air... Conan did decide not to go to 12:05.
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01-15-2010, 12:56 AM | #89 |
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Yea but they're still responsible. They bumped him off of his timeslot, but it's also a calculate move and a slap in the face. True, Conan doesn't have to leave, but he has some pride.
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01-15-2010, 03:12 AM | #90 |
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01-15-2010, 03:22 AM | #91 |
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I saw that earlier on TV. Probably the funniest thing on the Jay Leno Show since its inception.
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01-15-2010, 04:58 AM | #92 |
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I always liked Jimmy Kimmel -- but now I love him.
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01-15-2010, 05:04 AM | #93 | |
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01-15-2010, 07:58 AM | #94 | |
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01-15-2010, 08:36 AM | #95 |
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Lately, some of Leno's seagments are so uneventful that it seems like a talkshow, rather than a comedy.
Conan and Fallon are good. Steven Colbert = greatness |
01-15-2010, 10:29 AM | #96 |
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Yeah, I seriously have a new respect for Kimmel.
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01-15-2010, 11:07 AM | #97 |
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You gotta love how Kimmel invited Leno into his yard, and Leno declined. That is pretty much Leno admitting he can't go blow-for-blow with Kimmel, who was owning Leno that entire segment. I don't know why the powers that be allowed that to happen, but whoever it was does not have a good sense of Leno's abilities.
Leno's status might be good for immediate ratings, or whatever. I think a lot of that is routine, a fanbase that Leno had established over 17 years, and a myriad of other reasons -- but Leno is taking so many hits in this war. On his own show, too. There is a good chance he will come out of this looking like complete crap, and The Tonight Show with Jay Leno: The Sequel might really suffer because of it. Then they are stuck with Leno, because Fallon is nowhere near ready, and they chased off their heir in Conan. |
01-15-2010, 11:36 AM | #98 |
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They still have Carson Daly! lol
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01-15-2010, 11:41 AM | #99 |
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I actually have no idea what Carson Daly even looks like. Truthfully, is he any good? He didn't get Conan's Late Night spot, so it makes you wonder...
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01-15-2010, 01:09 PM | #100 |
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Carson Daly is bad. But since they reformatted his show he seems much more comfortable.
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01-15-2010, 02:11 PM | #101 |
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Yeah he is really bad but you can tell that he is well aware of how shitty the show is, which gives it a bit of charm in my books
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01-15-2010, 03:13 PM | #102 |
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More from the Jay Leno Forums
This is the mindset of a Jay Leno fan:
I have looked all over the site for a place to submit funny headlines that we find to you. I didn't have much time, so perhaps I just missed it. Maybe someone could create a "submit ideas here" hot button? Anywho, I was online reading news yesterday when I saw this... Publicist: Jude Law to be a father; mother unknown It struck me funny, as usually it's the mother who's known and the father there is some doubt about. Serious story and can be found at : http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-0...by_N.htm?csp=34 Looking forward to the new show!! Best of luck to you and your staff! Kimberly http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?...9&st=0&start=0 |
01-15-2010, 03:18 PM | #103 |
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This guy must think he is responsible for Jay's tenure at The Tonight Show. Hopefully he has killed himself now that The Jay Leno show is being canceled:
Dear Jay, I just wanted to wish you the best of luck. I'm not sure if you remember or ever got my letter when you first started hosting The Tonight Show, and you took a trip to New York to compete with David Letterman, who was leading. I wrote you a detailed plan where you should celebrate your stand-up background and Hollywood glamor, and even though your New York trip got good ratings, it was overall the wrong direction. At some point you created the movable tongue that stretched out from the stage, brought in chairs to make the set look more like a stand-up club, brought in Hollywood power players, and you made The Tonight Show your own. Someone either had the same general idea that I did, or my comments hit home with someone, and you went with it, and you went on to do it spectacularly. As you begin your new show at 10 pm, my only big piece of advice is to really think about the title of the show - "The Jay Leno Show". It's not do-all-the-same-things-that-worked-before show; it's a show that showcases you. You believe in hard work. You love cars. You love your wife. You like and think people are funny. You think real life is often funnier than fiction. These are great things. On the Show Premiere and in the following episodes, my humble advice is as follows: 1. On the first night, after the monologue, talk directly into the camera to the people and tell them how you feel about the new show and this opportunity from the heart, before continuing with the show. 2. Do an expensive (where every dollar looks like it is on the screen) and extremely funny set piece that demonstrates your hard work and that you are raising the bar for yourself and the show. 3. In executive producing each show, think of each show like you are driving a great car on a great drive, where you can feel the road, hear the engine, wind blowing through your hair with the music cranked up. I bet you have many different favorite drives in your favorite cars and motorcycles. Recreate the pacing for the show from each of your favorite drives. It'll a feel right. 4. Have a regular set-piece that is inspired by your wife. It will be funny and help you with the female audience. 5. Find great and funny regular people that have amazing personalities or do amazing things to mix in with the celebrities on a regular basis. 6. Report wacky but true news with field correspondents (not like Jon Stewart) but more local interest humorous stories. 7. Avoid the Saturday Night Live problem - where it starts off funny and by the end, you can't believe have fast it got unfunny. Have at least three great set pieces - a fantastic beginning, spectacular middle and a showstopping end. Since you are at the 10 pm to 11 pm time slot, you need to be a good lead in and more viewers will watch to the end of the show. Well, I think I've written enough. Take care and again, best of luck. Sincerely, Dennis Chiu |
01-15-2010, 03:21 PM | #104 |
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This woman's son's childhood idol is Jay Leno. That should be reason enough to cancel his show. Also she doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "apt".
Dear Jay, I am posting this photo of my son, Zach Rice, with YOU at the recent Burbank Car show. He is a busy little actor...and you are his IDOL...you were VERY KIND AND PATIENT with him. He has not stopped talking about that day...I am sure that you didn't know how much a few kind words would do to make a little boy happy...but...I guess...Now you know!! Ironically...He was chosen to be FEATURED in one of your upcoming show skits for The Jay Leno Show...How ironic! Our whole family has always been your fans...but...after your kindness to our "boy" ...We will be supporting you and cheering you on for ETERNITY! Thanks from the bottom of our hearts!! McKenzie (Zach's Mommy) and all of the Rice Family!! |
01-15-2010, 03:25 PM | #105 |
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Let's get Jay Leno off the air so these people just worry about watching Everybody Loves Raymond reruns at 11:35 and that will be that.
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01-15-2010, 03:31 PM | #106 |
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He looks so creepy in that picture.
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01-15-2010, 03:47 PM | #107 |
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lol. Jimmy Kimmel is awesome. That was an uncomfortable interview to watch.
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01-15-2010, 04:13 PM | #108 |
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http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/
George Lopez did a bit on the whole ordeal on his talk show. Watching it reminds me that there are worse options than Leno. Lopez seriously makes Leno look like the comedic genius of our generation. God, is he ever awful. I mean AWFUL. I don't mean awful actually... I mean something miles past awful. My God. Really. Fuck. |
01-15-2010, 05:49 PM | #109 |
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01-15-2010, 07:11 PM | #110 |
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Jay Leno fans make me want to rip my face off. Why the fuck did that woman put "boy" in quotation marks? Is her child already a transvestite after suffering through his first meeting with Leno?
Here are some comments from NBC President Dick Ebersol: NBC chairman Dick Ebersol says Conan O'Brien has nobody to blame but himself for getting the boot from The Tonight Show and called Conan and David Letterman's decision to take shots at Jay Leno "chicken-hearted and gutless" since neither can beat Leno in the ratings. Ebersol went on to say that "what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan," says Conan refused to take advice on how to increase his ratings. Ebersol met with Conan three weeks before the changes were announced, urging Conan to adopt changes that both Johnny Carson and Jay Leno had adopted to increase ratings in central time zones like Chicago and Des Moines. "I like Conan enormously personally," Mr. Ebersol said. "He was just stubborn about not being willing to broaden the appeal of his show." He added that NBC "bet on the wrong guy." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seems like an exaggerated story to me. Conan changed a lot when he went to The Tonight Show. You can tell he took a chill pill, and for the first few weeks decided to play the "I'm gonna be a normal talk show host with elements of my personality" game. It didn't really work out, and ratings dropped. He then started to go back to his real persona, although you can tell by the way he's presented himself since this whole story broke, that he has tried to jump through a few hoops for NBC. I remember when Conan took some time out after Johnny Carson's passing, to comment on advice Carson gave him when he first got the Late Night gig. He apparently told Conan to "always be himself." Conan has been himself for the past 17 years, and only now do NBC want him to change? Why give him the show in the first place? They stood by the offer for five years, and only decided to revoke it now, 7 months into his stint? Leno also took two years to beat Letterman, and NBC threatened him with the same shit, until Leno managed to turn things around. They expected Conan to beat Letterman right away? Especially with Letterman getting some attention with his scandal? NBC put Conan on a pedestal, and haven't given him the chance to really earn a Tonight Show audience yet. He really only has his Late Night crowd following him still. I hope Leno backfires on them big-time. The dude's not funny. Kimmel owned him on his own show. You don't get schooled on your own show unless you are an overrated hack. Leno was in the slot for 17 years, I bet he did do better than Conan in the ratings, initially. |
01-15-2010, 08:07 PM | #111 |
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I'm not even sure going to Fox will be a great move for Conan. Everyone says now that NBC is so wretched and once Conan goes to Fox he will destroy Jay in the ratings. That isn't happening. More likely, Conan goes to Fox and ends up in a distant third because Fox has no evening programming. Jay gets back on top because he has a solid 5-night NBC line up again. Dave takes second place because the people who were just watching Dave because there is no more Jay can now watch Jay again.
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01-15-2010, 08:53 PM | #112 |
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Sadly, I think you may be right, theddy. But, it should be noted that Leno is losing viewers during this whole mess, while Conan is gaining them. Momentum is definitely on Conan's side right now. He's on "the right side of history." I still feel that NBC should tell Leno to fuck-off, and let Conan and Letterman compete against each other. Right now, I don't think Leno has got the good will to follow through on any threats and head to another network. NBC is obviously thinking about the ratings, but by not taking their shit, Conan and the rest of the media have essentially damaged Leno's marketability. Leno would only be the "late night savior" to NBC, and not too many others.
I can't see NBC backing down on sheer principle, though. Last edited by Mr. Nerfect; 01-15-2010 at 08:58 PM. |
01-15-2010, 09:39 PM | #113 |
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I'm reading up on the whole ratings thing now. Leno's run in prime time has essentially been credited with a weaker lead in for NBC's news broadcasts, which has in turn lead to a weaker lead-in for Conan. Is it too much for me to credit this to a genius (from a business, if not comedic perspective) plan on Leno's part?
If Jay Leno's prime time show was a success, then he would be laughing. The audience for prime time is about 40% larger than late night, so he would logically stand to make a lot more money through affiliates and such. Leno laughs all the way to the bank as he "moves on" from The Tonight Show, and becomes even more of a star over time. But if Leno falls flat on his face, then it creates that domino effect which pushes extra pressure on the news and Conan (who Leno very well knows is an acquired taste). Letterman beats Conan for a little while, and Leno can leverage his way back to The Tonight Show, where he did well. I might be giving Leno too much credit here -- but it's obvious the guy did not want to bow-out. He obviously loves the spotlight, because God knows he has enough money after doing The Tonight Show for almost two decades. UPDATE: Apparently Conan O'Brien's numbers continue to rise and rise while Leno's continue to fall and fall. Apparently O'Brien beat Leno by a 27% margin, even with Leno's prime-time slot. While this is almost certainly due to the media attention this war has been getting, the public consensus seems to be fairly one-sided: Conan = Good; Leno = Hitler. O'Brien's ratings are unlikely to stay as they are; but Conan being the acquired taste that he is, and being the loose cannon that he currently is, could make some permanent fans during this period. Also, if what the affiliates want are ratings, Conan is engulfing Leno's audience right now. Even if they say that Conan's "pre-hoopla" ratings weren't impressive, Conan still has the sympathy of his side of never really being given the chance Leno got in the timeslot, when Letterman was kicking his ass for two years. Am I naive in thinking there is hope that NBC "lets the baby have his candy?" Last edited by Mr. Nerfect; 01-15-2010 at 09:57 PM. |
01-15-2010, 10:16 PM | #114 |
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NBC is being too foolish with the whole mess they did. Leno might have his loyal viewers but that is because they have been with him for past 17 years for the 11:30 time frame. If Leno was great then he should have in theory kept the majority of his viewers since most would be able to watch his show earlier instead of having to go to bed for work or school. Instead most of his "loyal viewers" dropped watching him at 10pm.
Meanwhile Conan was in the process of building up his viewership for the long run (maybe takes 1-2 years without interruption) so for NBC to negotiate with Leno without Conan would have hurt the long term ratings buildup NBC is going to need. If Conan leaves and Fallon is the new #2 guy, NBC is going to fail big time if Fallon is set to be their #1 guy in a few years. Fallon needs to build up his late late night viewers which takes a few years and then build up his late night viewers which takes another few years before he can even think of being ready for post-news show. It also gives Fallon time similar to what Conan needed to find his "gig" to make him unique and funny for the show. |
01-15-2010, 11:08 PM | #115 |
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I agree with you, SM. I cannot think of a logical reason that Leno's ratings are not stronger if he moved to an earlier slot where more people would theoretically be able to watch him -- they just choose not to.
What really surprises me is that Leno's ratings have dropped through this ordeal. With all the noise about their shows, you would expect people to check out Leno, and give him a try, and see what he's bringing to the table. I may not be an expert on ratings, but Leno's ratings dropping right now cannot be a good sign, surely? |
01-15-2010, 11:13 PM | #116 |
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The latest is that NBC has apparently offered Conan a $30 million dollar buyout. They apparently had an "all-nighter" arguing over whether or not NBC breached Conan's contract. If they did, I hope Conan takes them to the bank. If not, Conan's momentum has got NBC on the ropes if they are willing to pay him to keep him quiet.
It looks like this is about to finish up. It's sad that Leno gets The Tonight Show, but Conan can always say that he lived his dream. I'd love it if Conan went to FOX, and then started kicking Leno's ass. I'm not saying it will happen, but it'd just be justice. I can see NBC begging for Conan to return in the future. |
01-15-2010, 11:35 PM | #117 |
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You americans have far too many talk shows
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01-16-2010, 02:30 AM | #119 |
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01-16-2010, 02:32 AM | #120 |
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They should make a reality talk show.
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