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Old 07-06-2017, 05:51 PM   #41
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I don't think wrestling works with scripted promos. There's too many guys with too many personalities that need to get through. I mean... it's possible that there are writers who could write from everyone's point of view and have it all come off as genuine and unique to each individual up and down the roster. But then if they could do that, they probably wouldn't be writing for a wrestling show.

Also, wrestlers aren't exactly naturals at acting. It's easier to come off as believable and "human" when you're not reciting a script.
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:57 PM   #42
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I think also the promo segs are stupid long. Nobody needs to talk for 20 fucking minutes. 5 will do.
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:12 PM   #43
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Also, for those on the other side, how do you book a top face in 2017?
See NJPW and Okada.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:36 PM   #44
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Ambrose was the most interesting guy in the Shield followed by Rollins followed by Reigns. To think RR was the guy of the Shield is retarded.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:48 PM   #45
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Let the faces not say too much, earn the fans respect by wrestling in wars with non fucky finishes. And when they do speak it should mean something.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:52 PM   #46
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And dont make every face on the roster look lile a fucking tool by cutting their nuts off or on the other side of the coin forcing them down peoples throats
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:00 PM   #47
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I personally think a heel turn for Reigns would fail just as miserably as his current face run. People don't want him to be a heel, they don't see him as a heel, that's not why they are booing him. They boo him because he is boring and minimally talented, sucks on the mic, and is being shoved down our throats anyways. There's a distinct difference there but I'm not surprised Roman doesn't see it.
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Roman Reigns has got a damn motor in him. This idea that he's not talented is a bit extreme. The guy has got all the in-ring tools. He doesn't seem to have any instincts as a babyface though and his charisma isn't leading man extroverted charisma. At least not in this role.
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Yeah, I think he's a goodlooking guy who as you pointed out Noid, has a motor. But he's dark and brooding, he's not necessarily the guy who should be the smartest guy in the room all the time. Once again, let him use his low key wry wit every once in a while, when he so chooses to speak, which should be rarely.

They should look at how they booked Diesel when he lost to Bret Hart going all the way to his full on heel turn. Just let him be a face, but a fucking badass.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:22 AM   #50
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:29 AM   #51
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Yeah, I think he's a goodlooking guy who as you pointed out Noid, has a motor. But he's dark and brooding, he's not necessarily the guy who should be the smartest guy in the room all the time. Once again, let him use his low key wry wit every once in a while, when he so chooses to speak, which should be rarely.

They should look at how they booked Diesel when he lost to Bret Hart going all the way to his full on heel turn. Just let him be a face, but a fucking badass.
Oh, I agree. The thing is, I don't know if there is a way to that path now without a heel turn first.
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Old 07-07-2017, 07:29 AM   #52
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Well the path is easy
Have him actually address the fact that they shit on him after he wrestles a war with Strowman. Have him actually act like the audience reaction exists and interact with it, without force feeding him god awful catchphrases for Michael Cole to fail to get over. And dont keep stacking the odds against him. Keep his feuds straight up and avoid the gaga finishes. If he wrestles in wars and he isnt booked as a "wwe superstar" but a dude who takes no prisoners, he will get over. I mean... They either go ott in trying to make him look like superman or he looks like a punk bitch. Like Strowman tipping over the ambulance was entertaining in a ridiculous way but unnecessary and it just made Roman look like a loser.
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Imo for Roman, less is more
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Old 07-07-2017, 07:31 AM   #54
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Even still he could be a dick to the fans like he was after mania but the rest of the time be a babyface. Save dudes from beatdowns, win matches clean etc.
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:33 AM   #55
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The biggest problem with Reigns, since day one of his solo push, has been the way he has been booked. Terrible decision after terrible decision. That is my only gripe with Reigns at this point. The guy is a good worker and obviously busts his ass, but personally, it's hard to get behind a guy who constantly gets booed so blatantly bad

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I don't know. Sounds like Destor's drinking WWE's Kool-Aid.
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Reigns was a beast in The Shield and was booked as so, but the minute they decided they were gonna push Reigns to the moon, regardless of what else was going on, and despite who may have been more "deserving" it all went down hill. They could have easily worked with it and went with the flow and maybe even gotten a great Reigns/Bryan feud out if it, but they (Vince) were dead set on Reigns. Terrible booking at the end of the day
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:17 PM   #58
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Where does this "he was the fans choice" come from?

He was popular as part of The Shield, and he got reaction that one year in the Rumble when it became clear he was the only threat to a face Batista win that the fans didn't want to see. Beyond that?
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:26 PM   #59
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Yeah, pretty sure the initial heat towards reigns was because the fans chose Daniel Bryan, but wwe went with Reigns.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:30 PM   #60
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Also, I agree with Fan on scripted promos being a blight on the company. It adds to the processed, homogenized feeling that I mentioned in the other thread.

You can see a lot of charisma and personality occasionally peeking out from Reigns, but its locked behind this horribly scripted, boring character.
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Roman Reigns has got a damn motor in him. This idea that he's not talented is a bit extreme. The guy has got all the in-ring tools. He doesn't seem to have any instincts as a babyface though and his charisma isn't leading man extroverted charisma. At least not in this role.
I think you nailed it he does come across as something of an introvert.
They can really play to that instead of him being this talky babyface let him be mostly quiet occasionally snarky.He can be a dick to fans and still be a face hes just more or less concerned with his own interests (and outside of Ambrose) doesn't really care too much for other competitors.
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Well the path is easy
Have him actually address the fact that they shit on him after he wrestles a war with Strowman. Have him actually act like the audience reaction exists and interact with it, without force feeding him god awful catchphrases for Michael Cole to fail to get over. And dont keep stacking the odds against him. Keep his feuds straight up and avoid the gaga finishes. If he wrestles in wars and he isnt booked as a "wwe superstar" but a dude who takes no prisoners, he will get over. I mean... They either go ott in trying to make him look like superman or he looks like a punk bitch. Like Strowman tipping over the ambulance was entertaining in a ridiculous way but unnecessary and it just made Roman look like a loser.
Get what you're saying, and it's good, but I wonder if they've already crossed a certain line with Reigns at this point. Look at Cena still getting booed despite the shift away from SuperCena from 2014 onwards.
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Cena is still a big cornball tho
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And yeah, Reigns was never my choice. When he got pushed to the front of The Shield, I cringed, because it completely changed their dynamic. He also intruded on the Bryan love affair. He also wasn't anywhere near ready at that point in time, and it's arguable he isn't now. He will be one day, but he may not be as popular as he could be, due to that stigma they have established around him. And it's going to have diminishing returns each time they jam someone into this Cena spot.

I'd be looking at Roman Reigns as more an Undertaker type than your face of the company type.
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Cena is still a big cornball tho
Fair point. I think he's crossed this point where it's endearing now. He's done the movies and we all know what a genuine chap he is and how he can play a dick. I don't feel the need to see him turn heel and destroyed with the emphasis being removed from him. I do think people just boo him out of habit now, but those habits are hard to break. See: "What?!"
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