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Old 01-21-2012, 09:34 PM   #6321
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:54 PM   #6322
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http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7...i-manning-rise

Article about Eli and Peyton. Obviously I'm biased, what do you guys think? Generally I've never cared for others opinions because I've always gotten behind Eli but I don't think there is any question he has played as well among the best this year. How do you guys, as fans of other teams, view him?
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:45 AM   #6323
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I think Eli is terrific, would probably say he's right behind Brees/Rodgers/Brady as the best quarterbacks playing currently
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:23 AM   #6324
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Ben Maller just ripped me on the radio for this:

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@benmaller check flaccos stats vs pats in the 2010 reg season game 23-20 ot loss.


after he was complaining about Flacco's 4 for 10 34 yard performace in the playoff game..

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Old 01-22-2012, 02:26 AM   #6325
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:46 AM   #6326
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:51 AM   #6327
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Hear Ben Maller rip my tweet on national weekedend overnight sportstalk radio

The majority of the first segment is about "the legend" of the 2010 playoff game where Joe Flacco went 4 of 10 for 34 yards "leading" the Ravens to victory vs the Patriots.

He reads my tweet at 12 minutes in..
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:44 AM   #6328
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Article about Eli and Peyton. Obviously I'm biased, what do you guys think? Generally I've never cared for others opinions because I've always gotten behind Eli but I don't think there is any question he has played as well among the best this year. How do you guys, as fans of other teams, view him?
He turned the ball over quite a lot. Not as much as his ridiculous last season but still. Not only that but he just laid an egg so many times, especially at home. He's having a fine postseason but I seriously can't see how people rave so much about his regular season.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:52 AM   #6329
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He turned the ball over quite a lot. Not as much as his ridiculous last season but still. Not only that but he just laid an egg so many times, especially at home. He's having a fine postseason but I seriously can't see how people rave so much about his regular season.
I would say that there were three games he shit the bed in at home. The Seahawks, Eagles, and Skins. I don't think turnovers were/are an issue at all, especially within the context of the games this year.

He has literally carried the Giants to victories this year. There were injuries all over the offense. I guess you would have to watch the games week in and week out.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:00 AM   #6330
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I would say that there were three games he shit the bed in at home. The Seahawks, Eagles, and Skins. I don't think turnovers were/are an issue at all, especially within the context of the games this year.

He has literally carried the Giants to victories this year. There were injuries all over the offense. I guess you would have to watch the games week in and week out.
That's 3 out of 8. That's not a very good percentage. Especially for an "elite" QB having one of his best years.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:02 AM   #6331
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And I can't speak specifically to each turnover but an elite QB doesn't turn it over nearly as much as he has the past 2 seasons. I think he's at like 50 turnovers in 2 seasons. That's insane.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:59 AM   #6332
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This is probably the first season I've viewed Eli as a star player. Before that I thought he was a decent game manager who occasionally had flashes of brilliance, but also made some stupid throws that got picked off.

But I'm sold on him now.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:59 AM   #6333
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I don't even think Eli was that bad in the Seahawks game. They were on the verge of completing a game-winning drive but Cruz made one of his signature bothces and sent the ball right into the hands of the cornerback.

Frankly, Eli has shown me enough this year to convince me that he actually is an elite quarterback. There are only a few QB's I'd take ahead of him at this point...and when the game is on the line I have faith that he can drive it down the field for the win. Many in the media will probably never consider him to be elite even if he wins a 2nd SB ring, but whatever.
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And I can't speak specifically to each turnover but an elite QB doesn't turn it over nearly as much as he has the past 2 seasons. I think he's at like 50 turnovers in 2 seasons. That's insane.
It's like I'm talking to a brick wall here. lol
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all I know is, I want to see the Ravens win the Super Bowl in Indianapolis, have Raymond Berry, Baltimore Colts legend hand the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Steve Bisciotti, and have him put it on a Mayflower Truck and send it back to Baltimore in the Middle of the night in a snowstorm, a reverse of what happened 10,176 days earlier. Nothing else would be more appropriate, nothing else is acceptable (the Mayflower truck thing wont happen obviously, but still)
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:26 AM   #6344
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There would be a nice storyline about Baltimore winning a Superbowl in Indianapolis.

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Old 01-22-2012, 11:31 AM   #6345
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this is the first time in forever that I'd be fine with any team winning the Super Bowl

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Old 01-22-2012, 11:32 AM   #6346
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No doubt Eli is an elite QB in the NFL of today though. Kind of hard to take him seriously when he wears that retard helmet, but I guess I just convince myself that he's a savant.

To me he has always looked like somebody cloned Peyton Manning but something went slightly wrong that nobody can put their finger on.
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Kind of hard to take him seriously when he wears that retard helmet
Hey, let's keep the discussion to ON the field stuff. (zing)
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:49 AM   #6348
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Oh, and I'll just keep re-interating 50 turnovers in 2 seasons every time someone mentions Eli as an "elite QB" until someone actually explains how these two things go hand in hand.
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Especially if you say "No doubt" he's an elite QB. Good lord. Really, people?
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:51 AM   #6350
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I'll assume that Narc is just keeping his bases covered so that in case SF loses he can say at least it was to an elite QB.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:52 AM   #6351
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Maybe you need to go back and look at how people are saying he has improved himself this year and became an elite quarterback this year. Meaning your 30 turnovers last year don't mean shit.
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Maybe you need to go back and look at how people are saying he has improved himself this year and became an elite quarterback this year. Meaning your 30 turnovers last year don't mean shit.
The 20 this year do...

And one year does not make an elite QB so that argument doesn't mean shit.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:55 AM   #6353
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Eli's interception numbers from last year were incredibly misleading. Anybody who watched him last year can attest to this. Many of his INT's happened because his receivers stonehanded the ball. Eli put the ball where it needed to go more often than not.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:57 AM   #6354
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I'd say he's an elite QB just due to the fact that I consider him a threat at any time. If the Giants are down by 2-3 TDs, I'm still never completely sold that they are out of the game until the bitter end. Definitely a quality of an elite QB.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:57 AM   #6355
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The 20 this year do...

And one year does not make an elite QB so that argument doesn't mean shit.
Except when people explicitly say "he's an elite QB this year"
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nobody is saying he's better than Rodgers, Brady, or Brees

they're saying this year he's playing very very well. kinda like an elite QB.

it is not that big a deal
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He's a Cowboys fan who can't quite stomach the fact that Eli Manning is better and more clutch than Tony Romo.
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Should I really dissect every one because just looking at the first 13, it's looking pretty bad for Eli.
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