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Old 10-15-2014, 11:47 PM   #1
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What is it about TNA that you dont like.

As a fan of pro wrestling I watch TNA every week and enjoy it( alot more now that Dixie is off TV). I have noticed that not alot of you like TNA so I was wondering what dont you like? The only thing that annoyed me was Dixie Carter and she still didnt keep me from watching. They have a good roster and put on quality shows so why don't wrestling fans tune in on a weekly basis. Now as I have just started a fund with Gertner I suspect he will troll this thread so any post by him not about the thread will be considered ignorant and irrelevant. I just want to know what you don't like about TNA.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:58 PM   #2
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Every time they start to make positive momentum, they shoot themselves in the foot by doing something completely boneheaded. At least that's why I stopped watching. It's hard to be invested in something that you know isn't going to have a satisfying payoff, if it has one at all.

This is the same reason I don't watch WWE, for the record. That's not a uniquely TNA problem. WWE, though, has the advantage of decades of success, giving the hope that someday they'll remember what made them popular in the first place and right the ship. TNA never had the '80 . They never had the Attitude Era. They've had a decade of near-misses and spectacular failures with some rays of light in-between, but nothing that would indicate that they're ever really going to figure it out.
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Old 10-16-2014, 12:12 AM   #3
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:02 AM   #4
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Their over reliance on stars they had nothing to do with.
Sting, Hogan, Bisch, Kennedy, Hardy, The Dudleys, everyone in Main Event Mafia... TNA was more worried about making a buck than making their image. Yea, they did push some of their own talents to great heights, it's like going into an art gallery that someone farted in.
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Old 10-16-2014, 01:07 AM   #5
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Their over reliance on stars they had nothing to do with.
Sting, Hogan, Bisch, Kennedy, Hardy, The Dudleys, everyone in Main Event Mafia... TNA was more worried about making a buck than making their image. Yea, they did push some of their own talents to great heights, it's like going into an art gallery that someone farted in.
This after saying "experience the difference" in TNA advertising. They became a light version of WWE.

I was done once they fired Christopher Daniels the first time and Petey Williams. It didn't mean anything that you were there from almost the beginning.

Once they started signing people and using the WWE developmental name creator I was done. The Austin Starr? Senshi? Give me a fuckin' break.
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Old 10-16-2014, 02:14 AM   #6
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It doesn't look high budget and the atmosphere feels dull. They need to be more flashy.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:08 AM   #7
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There's no consistency between faces and heels. Feels like every time I watch people have changed between the two. It's always so confusing.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:46 AM   #8
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It comes off as a second rate show.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:26 AM   #9
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Old 10-16-2014, 09:51 AM   #10
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For myself personally, I'm hardly a "big" wrestling fan. Above-average but not diehard like some here. So for me to watch a show that is so obviously second-tier compared to WWE just makes no sense in my mind.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:04 AM   #11
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This.

I have to go to youtube or wait till 2am for a stream to start to even watch WWE, which I hardly ever do, no point bothering with TNA.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:06 AM   #12
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I watch every week as every now and again they have a glimmer of hope where they get something hot and they seem like they could contend with WWE, then they bastardize it and kill it dead and go back to being a third-rate show....
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:31 AM   #13
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I hate that they make their shows quite confusing. I would like them to take a page from 2000 ECW and just play the November Rain video to fill time.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:53 AM   #14
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TNA's got so many things I don't like, I'm not even sure where to start.


I mean, there's the typical stuff you see in every promotion-- the babyfaces are all genuinely terrible people, the heels are usually completely right but we're supposed to boo them, their treatment of basically anyone that isn't a white man is often downright disgusting, and there's a general vibe of "being an obnoxious, idiotic, racist, sexist, homophobic pig is awesome," and living in Alabama, I get enough of that bullshit in real life. WWE does a lot of the same schoolyard bully shit too, but they've never presented an ultra-violent sexual predator as a sympathetic babyface; TNA does wrong everything that WWE does wrong, only trashier.

And they don't exactly do themselves any favors when being compared to WWE, by running angles that practically beg you to compare them to WWE. Eccentric bearded fan favorite Eric Young wins the World Title the same week that eccentric bearded fan favorite Daniel Bryan wins the World Title. Ausin Ares, "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived," is thrust into the main event scene right around the same time that CM Punk, "The Best in the World," is on top of WWE. TNA puts the title on Bobby Lashley, a part-time star who's only doing wrestling in between stints in MMA, just before WWE puts the title on Brock Lesnar, a part-time star who's only doing wrestling between stints in MMA. Whether it's intentionally ripping WWE off or just a series of incredible coincidences, it makes TNA look second-rate.

Characters often make no sense, and change completely to suit the need of whatever storyline is happening at the moment. Bully Ray spent a year doing nWo-style run ins and trying to murder people with a hammer, but now he loves and respects everyone so goddamn much because.....? James Storm has always been a trashy beer-swilling redneck, but now suddenly he's also a brainwashing cult leader because.......?

Their biggest problem, though, is they have no idea who they are or what they want to be. So much of their history has been spent digging through the past of other, better promotions, whether they're trying to re-unite the nWo, doing the Montreal Screwjob for like the twentieth time just because they have Earl Hebner, or trotting out Tommy Dreamer and the Dudleyz to go "HEY GUYS REMEMBER ECW? BECAUSE WE REMEMBER ECW" yet again. They'll occasionally remember that they're supposed to be their own promotion and push home-grown talent, but they're grossly inconsistent about that, too. This time last year, Magnus was looking to be their hottest new main-event prospect; now he's a complete afterthought. Maybe the X-Division matters, maybe it doesn't, maybe we're finally going to push Samoa Joe, maybe we're not. There's never any consistent emphasis on what their hook is supposed to be, or what audience they want to reach.

This seems to be a problem unique to TNA, because every other non-WWE promotion out there has found its niche. You know to expect uber-serious knockoff puro when watching Ring of Honor. You know to expect insane ultra-violence when watching CZW. You know to expect insane comic-book characters when watching Chikara. With TNA, though, you have no idea what they're selling from one week to the next, other than most likely "a bunch of guys who got famous somewhere else."


Oh, and also, they have Shark Boy on their roster but they almost never use him. And that's just unacceptable.
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Old 10-16-2014, 12:12 PM   #15
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Old 10-16-2014, 12:19 PM   #16
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I'm not a huge fan of womens wrestling but I enjoyed the knockouts stuff until they gave up on it. Same with the tag division and X division, something WWE seems unable to do and TNA do really well and then (RKO) outta nowhere they abandon it. The constant swerves and the surprise former world champions appearing, after the second time the former world tag team champion bit got meh, none of which matter and become a running joke of who's 90 day clause is up then.
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Old 10-16-2014, 02:21 PM   #17
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I don't like their oft "WWE Lite" approach. The times TNA has been at its best is when they were presenting something unique that could be perceived as a true alternative. I am a big TNA fan, and I hope they pull through.
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Old 10-16-2014, 04:03 PM   #18
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:53 PM   #19
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They really could've focused on the Knockouts who were head and shoulders above the Divas (So much so that they main evented shows and it was awesome) It's like TNA didn't even know what they had and let it go by the wayside.
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Old 10-16-2014, 08:20 PM   #20
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Exactly! The knockouts were so popular that I believe they were actually outdoing every other segment on Impact for a while.

I also hate that everyone has become a discount version of a WWE character now. James Storm is Bray Wyatt, Dixie was the Authority, then MVP and gang were the Authority, Austin Aries is CM Punk, Eric Young is Daniel Bryan, etc.

It also doesn't help when they keep burying the talent that could have made them. Mr. Anderson could easily have been built as the face of their company. AJ Styles was fixing up to be Daniel Bryan popular with their fanbase and then they fucked him over. Magnus looked to be their answer for a top heel. Hell, James Storm and Bobby Roode were even shaping up to fill a spot as top stars.

Basically TNA just keeps shooting itself in the foot every time they have a good idea or plan.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:58 PM   #21
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They let AJ Styles go. That was the final tipping point to never watch it when I randomly came across it.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:13 AM   #22
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Saying "_____ was the authority" is a little unfair. They weren't "The Authority" in any way other than they were heel authority figures. Which isn't even a WWE/F idea to begin with.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:18 AM   #23
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But other than that, the reasons have been covered. They don't have the money to compete with WWE at WWE's game but they try and that's a big mistake. They just don't have the starpower and production values to do it. They have had better writing than WWE most of the time (which isn't hard not to) but they just fall into the trap of not committing when they find something worthwhile. They should have followed Paul Heyman's strategy all along. Find what you CAN do better than WWE and do it. Don't try to out-WWE WWE. It's a losing game.
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Old 10-17-2014, 07:37 AM   #24
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it's a complete clusterfuck of a company, it's like they just can't help themselves. For every step they take forward, they fall to the ground and do three backward rolls through dogshit. They even completely botched the second British Bootcamp, which after how right they got it with the first one is crazy. They're like a giant rib on the wrestling industry itself rn.
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I was really into TNA when they first started up. They offered a uniquely different experience from what the WWE was offering at that time. The X-Division was especially intriguing, as it gave us a style and pace of wrestling that simply could not be found in the WWE. Guys like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Chris Sabin, Low Ki, Petey Williams and the rest of Team Canada, and Rhino offered some awesome match ups. While the main event was relatively stale and a bit rampant with guys of the past (Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Jeff Jarrett), they looked to have a very strong undercard of guys who would one day eventually take up the mantle of being the main eventers of the company.

I think the trouble really started for them when Hogan and Bischoff came on board. The company got obsessed with becoming a WWE look-alike, even going so far as to remove the six sided ring that made TNA immediately recognizable as an alternative. The influx of ex-WWE superstars killed the momentum they had going with the home grown stars. Main event feuds revolving around Bischoff, Hogan and Dixie Carter continued the process of killing off interest in their home grown talent. When it turned out that these ex-WWE stars weren't going to shoot them to the moon the way they'd hoped, they buried them, too. In the end, nobody looks like a star and nobody has any real value.

Guys go from being groomed for "the spot" to being in pointless feuds and tag teams. Guys like Robert Roode, Austin Aries and then the god awful Eric Young all got "the moment" of winning the TNA World Title, but were then swiftly moved back down the card. No character is consistently pushed as "the guy" or even as one of "the guys." Their most recognizable talent in Kurt Angle was only really used properly for the first year or two - by his end with the company, even Angle, a former Olympic gold medalist and WWE Champion, didn't mean a thing.

Now, a TNA PPV card is a who's who of nobodies. Manik? Crazzy Steve? Magnus? Kenny King? The BroMans? Ethan Carter III? Rockstar Spud? Completely unrecognizable names that make up the majority of a TNA card. And I'm not even talking about from a casual fan perspective - I'm a huge pro wrestling fan who tries his best to keep up with the reports and results - have been since I was 10 years old - and I don't even know who the fuck these guys are. And you've got Jeff Hardy, maybe their only recognizable and bankable star left, running around as "Willow", a douche bag in a weird tribal mask.

TNA is just fucked.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:14 PM   #27
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Jeff hasn't been Willow for a couple months now. Also, I might be misinterpreting what you said there but it seems like they're in a no win situation for you; it's bad if the card is filled with ex-WWE guys but it's also bad if it's filled with people with "no name recognition".
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Old 10-17-2014, 03:46 PM   #30
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Jeff hasn't been Willow for a couple months now. Also, I might be misinterpreting what you said there but it seems like they're in a no win situation for you; it's bad if the card is filled with ex-WWE guys but it's also bad if it's filled with people with "no name recognition".
I agree that it's unfair to dismiss a promotion for having a roster of unknowns and whatnot, since otherwise you'd never be able to enjoy NXT or the indies or really anything that isn't Raw. However, I do think TNA has a problem of being incredibly inconsistent with the talent pool they have available. Like, I can watch a couple of episodes of New Japan or Chikara or whatever and get a decent feel for who matters and who doesn't in those promotions-- if Okada's a major name over there now, chances are he'll still be a major name over there a year from now. TNA, though, is terrible about rocketing guys to the top and then completely forgetting about them-- Magnus, Young, Aries, etc. The end result is that none of them feel important, and you end up with, like he said, a roster full of nobodies.

Though this is a problem WWE is just as bad about, if not worse, considering that everyone not named John Cena or Randy Orton seems to be completely disposable. But just saying "WWE does it too" doesn't make it any less of a problem.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:42 PM   #31
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Yeah, WWE rockets them to the middle then back down again.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:30 PM   #34
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Jeff hasn't been Willow for a couple months now. Also, I might be misinterpreting what you said there but it seems like they're in a no win situation for you; it's bad if the card is filled with ex-WWE guys but it's also bad if it's filled with people with "no name recognition".
It's a problem with consistent builds. It's fine to have a few ex-WWE/WCW guys in the main event to help give name recognition to the card - but that won't last forever. You have to also be building your young guys and grooming them to eventually take the throne. That was the case in the beginning, but the arrival of Bischoff and Hogan derailed that train completely.

Now the guys who were being "built" back then (AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Frankie Kazarian, Low Ki, Rhino, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Lance Hoyt, Monty Brown, etc) are all either gone from the company or are still there but dwindling without any real focus or purpose.

I think they have recently made an attempt to reconcile those issues and begin rebuilding their talent of home grown talent, but it seems like the boat has sailed. They had stellar momentum going in 2005-2006, but all that fell apart when they put all of their focus on terrible storylines with old timers and let their budding homegrown talent fizzle out.
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Saying "_____ was the authority" is a little unfair. They weren't "The Authority" in any way other than they were heel authority figures. Which isn't even a WWE/F idea to begin with.
Dude, I don't know if you watch TNA on a regular basis but I do, and trust me Dixie was ripping off Steph at almost every turn. From the way she acted, to the way she made fun of talent for not being A+ players. I mean she was literally an older and less attractive Stephany McMahon.

MVP on the other hand did have some "uniqueness". However, he too seemed to copy a lot of Triple H's schtick, including the whole "make fun of the bearded workhorse" thing. Didn't help that at the beginning Kenny King was pretty much playing the exact same role as Orton, and Bobby Lashley was doing the Batista "I'm the muscle of this trio" thing up until he won the title thanks to MVP getting injured.
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