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Old 07-14-2007, 11:18 PM   #41
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On name value alone, it's a fluke, it's an upset, it's every words that can go along with that. That being said, I think he can do it, hence why I'm picking him knowing most everyone is going to say I'm crazy, and knowing i'm picking him over like... my hero.
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:37 PM   #42
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Nothing against Gonzaga, but I don't think he can take Couture, specially after how good Randy looked in that clinic he put on against Silvia..
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:38 PM   #43
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Silva isn't the same type of fighter that Randy is. I don't think Randy has fought someone so well rounded in a while. Hence why I think it's a problem match up and for my hero's sake, I wish Mirko had kicked Gabe's head off.
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I though Cro Cop was gonna be the heavyweights saving grace.. Thank God for Couture..

Fedor needs to come on over..
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I knew he wasn't going to do well. I had a feeling the cage would fuck him, then they paired him against Gabe who I said would win. Again, had no idea he'd actually kick his head off, but I did expect a ground and pound victory.

That being said I was terribly excited about him coming. And yes, Fedor would be awesome.
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:07 AM   #46
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You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..
He did more than catch Cro Cop with a head kick. He absolutely dominated the round. Cro Cop isn't exactly easy to take down either and Gonzaga did it with ease.

I'm picking Randy to beat Gonzaga purely because I can't go against him in underdog fights now after what he has done. However, this is a heart pick. Head says Gonzaga will win and should be considered a good favourite.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:13 AM   #48
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He's only had like ten fights.. Randy will beat him with experience alone..
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I'll be pissed if GSP looses to fuckin Kos...I think Gonzaga has a hell of a chance to beat Randy..but I see Couture prevailing.

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I see Randy putting on a wrestling Clinic, and keeping Gonzaga on his back and submissionless for 3 rounds before Gonzaga gasses and Randy pounds him out, or chokes him. Not to take anything away from Gonzaga, but I dont think either guy will look to stand up. Both want to go to the ground, where I think Randy's wrestling is far superior to Gabe's BJJ.

Gabe will probably set up another head kick that I think will lead to the first take down.

Rest of the fight card looks promising so far though. Kendall by submission in round 2 or 3. Stevenson by decision. Kos and GSP is a toss up for me, although I do understand why everyone would label him to win. If Kos puts George on his back, it wont be good for him. If GSP keeps it on the feet, it could go the other way. I think this will actually be fight of the night, with constant action. Probably going the distance and ending in a decision.
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Old 07-15-2007, 05:13 PM   #51
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He's only had like ten fights.. Randy will beat him with experience alone..
Cro Cop has had 5 or more fights than Couture and Gonzaga whooped him.
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Coture/Gonzaga is one of the hardest matches to predict all year due to Gonzaga's upset over Cro Cop and Coture's age. Sure he handled Silva with ease but to me Silva wasn't anything to brag about necessarily, just fat guy with a good team. Gonzaga has a lot of momentum going in and I would think that Coture is the underdog because of his age. I am a Coture mark and he is my favorite fighter and is in the top of the Heavyweight division but upsets happen like foul balls in UFC.
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Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.
Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.
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You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..
gabe is a better striker than cotour and more well rounded on the ground. Randy is a wrestler so he has excellent possitioning and can stay out of submissions, but gonzaga is real good in jujitsu and a good wrestler as well.
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Nothing against Gonzaga, but I don't think he can take Couture, specially after how good Randy looked in that clinic he put on against Silvia..
Silvia is terrible. He was good back in the day but for some reason he doesnt like to go out there and fight anymore. If its because he was injured then it must have been real bad because he looked like he couldnt move.
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Fedor vs Coture would be godly.
cotour might be the only man that can get into fedor's head. Fedor has said that he looks up to randy and that might be a big distraction if they were ever to meet.
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Silvia is terrible. He was good back in the day but for some reason he doesnt like to go out there and fight anymore. If its because he was injured then it must have been real bad because he looked like he couldnt move.
The Arlovski KO made him timid.. I juts hope he stays outta the picture for a long time..
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well yea but he still KOed Arlovski in the second fight. He really changed it up once he got the title. He needs to get back to the shape he was in when he first came to the ufc
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Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.
And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?
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And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?
go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year. In terms of the match he did what he should do, bring it to the ground... what does tito have to do with it anyway? get off his nuts. Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour. He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god. What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT. All tito has wrestled was a bit for junior college which california junior colleges dont even participate in the njcaa national championship with the rest of the country. If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again. Hes a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning. He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
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go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year.
I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.
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I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.
Well since you can only read one line of text Im going to break it up for you.

Brock train doubled the guy, then beat him into submission.

Double legs are big in wrestling.

The guy tapped in like 30 seconds. I cant believe your using this as an example.

Wrestling skill has nothing to do with submissions/jujitsu. Wrestling is all possitioning and technique. I.E Sean Sherk (perfect example of wrestling skill in MMA)
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In case you have learned to read more than one line of text at a time Im going to repost this:

Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.

He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.

What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.

If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.

Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.

He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:06 PM   #67
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Since someone said something about the Cage Grabbing penalty, what about Tito's Ball Punch in Round two? Which was some time after the Cage Grab, and went uncalled.
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Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine confirmed for UFC 76.

Should be an entertaining fight at least.
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Liddell is going to KO him in the first..
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WTF at a dumb money move by UFC, I feel like I should have to pay to see Rampage/Henderson. Liddell/Jardine, not so much. UFC is genius though this is going to bring in such great fucking ratings.
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Liddell is going to KO him in the first..
Thats my bet
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Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.
No. They base that on his previous wrestling experience but his competing in the Abu Dhabi wrestling tournaments and what not.


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He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.
Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you?

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What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.
Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right.


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If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.
But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.


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Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.
His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.

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He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.
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Since someone said something about the Cage Grabbing penalty, what about Tito's Ball Punch in Round two? Which was some time after the Cage Grab, and went uncalled.
1 - Unless it's absolutely blatant, they never take away a point for the first low blow.

2 - Was it after the cage grab? I seem to remember him being taken down and then putting Rashad in the choke to end the round.
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Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you?
It tells me that any wrestling experience gives you a huge advantage in MMA... umm duh



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Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right.
See this is just proof that you would was titos balls if he asked you too. There is no shame in losing to randy you nitwit. On the randy comment I dont know whether your being a smart ass or a dumbass but whatever.




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But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.
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His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.
The guillotine is the most basic choke hold there is. Its almost instictual to apply it. Oh and that basic move DIDNT submit Rashad. Move On.


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How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.
8 years ago tito was killing people. Im talking about him now. And yea Frank actually beat 4 people Since beating Ortiz.
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Final thought on this.

If the second round went five second longer, the ref was stopping the fight due to the choke. Difference between this round and the third where Ortiz let the clock run down whilst on his back. If the situation was reversed, I'd be defending Evans.

Guillotines might be basic chokes but that doesn't stop the fact Evans was passing out.

Tito has only lost to 2 world class fighters in 8 years. I'm still saying he isn't a top 5 205lbs fighter right now but he is FAR from past it. I don't know where you were going with Couture. All I'm saying is a Olympic level wrestler owned him. Ortiz's wrestling is fine until facing top level wrestlers and there aren't many of them in his division in the UFC. Aside from Liddell and Shogun, I'd make Ortiz a favourite against fighter in his division in the world. Yes even Silva in a cage with UFC rules.

Frank Shamrock barely fought in 8 years.
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Final thought on this.

If the second round went five second longer, the ref was stopping the fight due to the choke. Difference between this round and the third where Ortiz let the clock run down whilst on his back. If the situation was reversed, I'd be defending Evans.

Guillotines might be basic chokes but that doesn't stop the fact Evans was passing out.

Tito has only lost to 2 world class fighters in 8 years. I'm still saying he isn't a top 5 205lbs fighter right now but he is FAR from past it. I don't know where you were going with Couture. All I'm saying is a Olympic level wrestler owned him. Ortiz's wrestling is fine until facing top level wrestlers and there aren't many of them in his division in the UFC. Aside from Liddell and Shogun, I'd make Ortiz a favourite against fighter in his division in the world. Yes even Silva in a cage with UFC rules.

Frank Shamrock barely fought in 8 years.
Tito dont beat Rampage.
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Wanderlei Silva responds via video posted on his website to the allegations that he turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell for UFC 76 in September.

In the video Wanderlei stated, "I never said that I wouldn't fight Chuck. I've wanted this fight for a long time"

The former Pride champion continued, "I received a contract with two options, I could fight in September or November. I have chosed to make this fight in November. I was the first to want this fight, but they kept avoiding this fight. Now there's a lot of people saying that I have ducked Chuck. This is not true"

According to Silva, the timing for the fight to take place in September did not work for him. He explained, "I am in a moment of transition in my life. I'm going to move to the U.S. in a few weeks. I'm going to live in the U.S. and there's a lot of things happening, and I'm not focused on training the way I want to be. I always fought at the time the promoters wanted. Sometimes I did things I should not have done, but this time I won't do that anymore."

Denying he ever turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell, Silva said, "I want to fight chuck in November and make a huge show, and make it the biggest show ever...I have no doubts it's the most important fight of my life. I know Chuck is a great name in the U.S., we'll do a great fight. I think I must be in my best shape, so I want this time to train better to be in my bets shape ever."

Wanderlei asserted, "This fight is on, if he Chuck doesn't hide behind this mess."
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