Triple H on the undercard

[Supreme Olajuwon]

For the first time in what seems like forever, The Game has been completely bumped out of the main event picture. A lot of people are happy about this because they simply are sick of Triple H and want him out of the picture, but I am happy for a different reason. It finally gives him a chance to be a wrestler. Triple H did a lot of his best work ring wise on the undercard, and I'm interested to see if he can rekindle that greatness. There's no doubt that The Game is one of the greatest gimmicks of all time, but it needs a little bit of retooling. Now that HHH is out of the spotlight, perhaps he can do that.

Thoughts? Opinions? Critiques? I await with much anticipation.

[Anybody Thrilla]

If he actually is going to be working with Sheamus, I don't know how great that will be.

[Krimzon7]

To the Contrary ABT, I think that could be absolutely great. We know he won't JOB to Ginger, but they could work a good strong match. I am happy to see the Game doing something different.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd rather him work with somebody like Jack Swagger.

[Ruien]

I'd rather him work with somebody like Jack Swagger.


You need to get out of that fantasy world of yours. Jack has not even won a match this year, doubt we will even see him at Wrestlemania.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He's actually won two matches on Superstars.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You can't 'ruien' my dreams! :mad:

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, didn't think this thread was just about Wrestlemania.

[Rammsteinmad]

Triple H sucks.

[Hanso Amore]

Triple H sucks.

James Steele is going to come find you

[Swiss Ultimate]

I don't miss 20 minute promos from Triple H...competent but, not very entertaining. His best mic work, in my opinion, was/is as a face.

That being said, I'd definitely enjoy seeing him come back into the main event scene as he is still one of the best things going.

[St. Jimmy]

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[Jeritron]

ABT, by this point I am more than aware that you would like Jack Swagger to be in Sheamus' place. It doesn't need to be established in every thread

[James Steele]

Ramm, please explain to me why Triple H sucks. I am imploring you to give one valid reason as to why Triple H 'sucks'.

[Ermaximus]

Shit, the only thing Trips sucks is Steph's huge tits.

[The Gold Standard]

Triple H is the best.

[screech]

Shit, the only thing Trips sucks is Steph's huge tits.

:lol:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Remember in 99/00 when The Game persona was fresh, people said Triple H was the best worker in the business including on here. I think he can get back to that stage at least a little bit.

[Ermaximus]

Remember in 99/00 when The Game persona was fresh, people said Triple H was the best worker in the business including on here. I think he can get back to that stage at least a little bit.

THIS!!!!

[Jeritron]

I think he's lost a few steps. He still has the ability to put on great matches, and he still is one of the best workers in the business, even at his age and after his injuries.

I don't think he's going to approach being anywhere near his prime in 98-2001 though.

I would like to see him reinvent his gimmick again.

Also, he has worked undercard fueds a few times before in the past few years. He's been out of the main event before, but his popularity stays at that level and he'll be back up soon.
I don't think him being in the undercard for this Wrestlemania means it's going to mark any kind of trend.

[screech]

A big knock on him in my opinion was the cheesiness of the latest DX stuff. Now that we're past that for a while (seemingly), I think he could get "back to form" somewhat.

[screech]

I would like to see him reinvent his gimmick again.

:y:

[Ermaximus]

I mean honestly, we all may not like Triple H for whatever our reasons may be, but you can't deny that he's one of the best at what he does. The man goes out, puts on a good match 99.9% of the time, and can carry just about anyone to a decent match. Do I think HHH/Sheamus will be a great match at WM? Not entirely, but HHH will do his damndest to make it as good as he can. Keep in mind that Sheamus will be making his WM debut, and I could seriously see him getting the rub here. I think HHH having to carry Sheamus a bit in that much will prove to be a chore, but those 2 will put on a good showing IMO.

[screech]

I love Triple H, just to clarify.

[James Steele]

This thread has brought a tear to my eye. I have never been so proud of TPWW.

[Jeritron]

I believe it was after his second return in late 2007 that he did a lot of what is being suggested here.

He was in the best shape he's been in years, and instead of going into the main event he worked the undercard for a few months and put on some great matches.

This was when he fueded with Umaga, and had the whole tag team/rivalry with Jeff Hardy. They had a great undercard match at Armageddon of that year.

[Ermaximus]

I believe it was after his second return in late 2007 that he did a lot of what is being suggested here.

He was in the best shape he's been in years, and instead of going into the main event he worked the undercard for a few months and put on some great matches.

This was when he fueded with Umaga, and had the whole tag team/rivalry with Jeff Hardy. They had a great undercard match at Armageddon of that year.

I agree. Hardy/HHH was a great fued. Really hope that before HHH retires, we get a HHH/Punk fued.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I'm not really a huge fan of face Triple H tbh. Preferred him much more as a heel. Loved when he returned at Homecoming and kicked the shit out of Flair after he tagged with him. Good stuff

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, not a big fan of face HHH. We need suit wearing heel Triple Haitch back, burying everything and everybody.

[Rammsteinmad]

Ramm, please explain to me why Triple H sucks. I am imploring you to give one valid reason as to why Triple H 'sucks'.

In my opinion:

Triple H as a worker isn't terrible, he can have some great matches with the right people. However, here's why I don't like him.

- Obviously being the bosses son-in-law has some advantages. The fact that for the last ten years he's not been in any mid-card/low-profile rivalries. He's fueds always get proper care and attention. And until now, he's been in every world title match at Wrestlemania since 18 (except 23, due to injury).

- He alwaus uses the same moves. When was the last time he broke out a new move which isn't a Spinebuster, Flying Knee or Suplex?

- His gimmick/attire hasn't changed, and to be honest is just kinda 'I'm a bland guy who wants my title back'.

- His promos suck. The DX reunion in 2006 was pretty cool but it all got old really fast.

He was great until his original injury. When he returned I was excited and everything (back in 2002), but since his reign of terror or whatever people call it I can't stand watching him.

Plus the guy talks loadsa shit apparently in interviews claiming that young guys aren't willing to step up etc, which is easy for him since he always gets the good fueds and burying people etc. I'm sure people like Carlito would be more willing to 'step up' if they actually stood a chance of steeling the spotlight, but it'll never happen.

Hope this helps. :wave:

[Londoner]

I do find it quite bizarre he's suddenly been thrown out of the main event scene, bit weird to get used to after all this time! I'll be more interested in what he does now as a result though, i'm one of those who prefer him as a heel. Not sure how he could reinvent his gimmick exactly, i'lld just love it if he regained the type of attitude he used to have back in 99/2000 etc. Also get tired of him using the same moveset over and over and over and over and over again, doesn't need a complete change just a few new moves every now and then would help.

[The Jayman]

Yeah, not a big fan of face HHH. We need suit wearing heel Triple Haitch back, burying everything and everybody.

:yes::y:

[GD]

It really doesn't matter anymore if the Game loses or not. What I want to see is that how effectively he can make Sheamus look good. In other words, make Sheamus a star at Wrestlemania.

[The Franchise]

If Triple H went back to using "My time" or a new version of that, I would love him 100000% more

I dont mind Hunter when he isn't always in the title picture (there were brief moments in the last decade when he wasnt :p) and I actually quite like him as a heel

[Anybody Thrilla]

ABT, by this point I am more than aware that you would like Jack Swagger to be in Sheamus' place. It doesn't need to be established in every thread

It's not established in every thread, you dick hole.

[Jeritron]

When I saw you post about Sheamus, I knew you would bring up how you wish Swagger was getting his push. I scrolled down and it was there, so I had to rag on it on principle

[Londoner]

If Triple H went back to using "My time" or a new version of that, I would love him 100000% more



It wouldn't fit him now. Sorry but its the truth.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I wasn't even thinking strictly Wrestlemania, honestly. I was just thinking an undercard program. Sheamus would be better for Wrestlemania at this point.

[Jeritron]

I don't care for Swagger.

[Londoner]

I don't care for Swagger.

Me neither.

[GD]

Honestly, Triple-H versus Jack Swagger > Horswoggle versus The Great Khali II > Triple-H versus Sheamus.

[Rammsteinmad]

If Triple H went back to using "My time" or a new version of that, I would love him 100000% more

'Past My Time'.

:shifty:

[CWK]

With mania, you can only have so many big stars working the big matches, Triple H just isn't in a big program with anyone right now. This reminds me of how Stone Cold got kind of lost in the shuffle in the mid-card match with Scott Hall at Wrestlemania X-8. Basically the same thing, though I don't expect HHH to wine and cry like a little baby and no-call/no-show RAW the next day like Austin did.

[Jeritron]

HHH decided to no show Raw last week to protest the whole thing before it even happened

[Rammsteinmad]

Well Triple H wasn't at Raw last week... :shifty:

[Rammsteinmad]

Damn you Jeritron.

[CWK]

HHH decided to no show Raw last week to protest the whole thing before it even happened

Good Point, gets me thinking

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I really don't get the animosity towards Sheamus on here. The guy's been in the show for a year and people hate him. For what? For having a weird skin color? For not telling the bookers that he shouldn't be champ?

[Londoner]

'Past My Time'.

:shifty:

'Its past my time past my tiiimmee past my tiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeee'

Catchy!

[Heyman]

My guess is that Triple H will still be a relevant factor at Wrestlemania somehow. Triple H will either


Making a shocking heel turn of some sort
Win MITB and cash in on the same night
Do something else that has extreme significance

[Favre4Ever]

During the McMahon-Helmsley Era, I was like 12-13 and had just started watching wrestling a few months prior. I genuinely hate Triple H. Later in life, understanding the wrestling business quite a bit more, I developed a great appreciation for the incredible job Trips did as a heel in that stretch of time. I also have to say that for the 10 years or so I've watched, he's been one of the most dedicated and consistent performers in the ring I've ever seen.

There were lows of course (2002 post WM18 may have been one of my least favorite of his periods, a time when his PPV main event runs included blow out wins over RVD an Kane), but when I think back to some of my favorite feuds and matches, I find that a fair amount of them include Triple H.

[Lock Jaw]

Triple H should reinvent himself by becoming the first wrestler to be broadcast in 3d.

The 3D-Game.

[The Franchise]

in HHHD

[Xero]

H³D

[ImpactPlayer365]

i see Sheamus going over HHH at Wrestlemania if they do have a match. But yes HHH needs to be relevant for some type of belt i think. Unless the feud he might be involved in is built up well and has legs to it.

[Damian Rey]

i see Sheamus going over HHH at Wrestlemania if they do have a match. But yes HHH needs to be relevant for some type of belt i think. Unless the feud he might be involved in is built up well and has legs to it.

H's fueds always get decent enough build. I think him being on the undercard could be a great thing for guys like Sheamus, DiBiase, Rhodes, and other young/mid card guys that are being looked at to get over.

Infact, after Mania and Legacy is done "exploding", I can def. see a program with Triple H and Ted Jr. running for a couple months. H can help make the kid look like a star as he transitions to full time single competition.

[Perry Saturn]

Stephanie must not have liked the sex

[Sixx]

How can you not appreciate a guy that fucks corpses.

[Fox]

Triple H's work was better when he was in the undercard because it was before his major quadricep injury. He has not ever been as good in the ring since, just as Austin was never as good after Owen broke his neck, and HBK hasn't been as good since he broke his back.

Kurt Angle, on the other hand, is still the fucking man, despite a broken freaking neck.

[Kane Knight]

Remember in 99/00 when The Game persona was fresh, people said Triple H was the best worker in the business including on here. I think he can get back to that stage at least a little bit.

Doesn't hurt that he'd been having a nice stream of people to make him look good at that point. Sans nostalgia goggles, his work wasn't really quite that top tier.

[James Steele]

Doesn't hurt that he'd been having a nice stream of people to make him look good at that point. Sans nostalgia goggles, his work wasn't really quite that top tier.

You are fucking bonkers.

[RGWhat316]

You need to get out of that fantasy world of yours. Jack has not even won a match this year, doubt we will even see him at Wrestlemania.

What was that about Swagger not being on Wrestlemania?? MITB qualifier.

[RGWhat316]

I really don't get the animosity towards Sheamus on here. The guy's been in the show for a year and people hate him. For what? For having a weird skin color? For not telling the bookers that he shouldn't be champ?

I don't think the guy deserved the spot he was in. He has no personality and the crowd did not care for him at all. Mostly silence when he was out there. Plus it made it seem like him retiring Jamie Noble was a big deal.

[Rammsteinmad]

Who are you to doubt Jamie Knoble?

[Nark Order]

I don't think the guy deserved the spot he was in. He has no personality and the crowd did not care for him at all. Mostly silence when he was out there. Plus it made it seem like him retiring Jamie Noble was a big deal.

To be fair, you're exaggerating quite a bit. There have been plenty of times that he's gotten the heel crowd reactions that he's been looking for. The main thing that held back his reign of champion is that not only did they not give him enough build before they handed him the belt but they didn't give him dominant victories over top competition like they should have done. He should've beaten Cena cleanly in their rematch, seeing as Cena had nothing really to lose.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I think it's cool he's going down the card a little, it's not lie it can harm him much. He's The Game for god's sake, he's been booked so strong for so long nothing can make him look weak. He could make some guys look real strong.

I have a strange mix of feeling towards HHH, He's been one of my favourite wrestlers at points (particulary 99/00 and his huge face return) and was my least favourite as well (2003, don't get me started). Now he's just sort of an institution and I can usually rely on him to have a good match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I really don't get the animosity towards Sheamus on here. The guy's been in the show for a year and people hate him. For what? For having a weird skin color? For not telling the bookers that he shouldn't be champ?

I don't even hate Sheamus personally, but there still hasn't been a match he's been in where I've sat back and said 'damn, that was a good match'.

Jack Swagger on the other hand has had good matches with Matt Hardy, Christian, and John Cena at very least. I also think he has quite a bit more personality than Sheamus.

[Jeritron]

He acts like he has more personality, but that doesn't do it for me. He comes off as if he's forcing it so much to me. It's just really awkward and doesn't fit.

Sheamus on the other hand acts intense, and serious. This doesn't mean he has less personality because he's not sticking his tongue out and dancing around.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well when you show me a concrete gauge on personality, maybe I'll change my mind.

Until then, Swagger > Sheamus.

[Jeritron]

I'm not showing you a concrete gauge. Where is yours? You say that Swagger has quite a bit more than Sheamus, and when I give reasons for why I disagree with that, there's no gauge?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I said that I THINK Swagger has more personality. I didn't say it's a cold hard fact. I just feel that Swagger has more...Swagger about him, I guess. Maybe it's because his character calls for it whilst Sheamus really doesn't, but regardless, I think his mannerisms and his mic work alone have shown more personality than Sheamus ever has.

[Jeritron]

I think Sheamus is better on the mic to be honest

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well there you are.

[Jeritron]

He just seems a lot more comfortable and capable

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sheamus isn't awful, I just prefer Swagger.

[Fignuts]

I also, prefer Swagger. Not a Sheamus hater either, though.

[Nark Order]

I'm with Jeritron here. Sheamus is much more comfortable on the mic. Swagger just doesn't do it for me at all. He's very shaky on the mic, his lisp sounds ridiculous, and every time he does that chest pounding thing I feel like killing a kitten.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I see Swagger as that ridiculously cocky jock in high school who was undeniably good, but just SUCH a fucking douche bag. I think he does it well.

[Londoner]

Sheamus > Swagger

And i'm not even a Sheamus fan.

[Bad Company]

HHH is gonna turn on shawn, taker is going to go back to being the american bad ass, with HHH in a sidecar on his motorbike. They will tag team wearing assless chaps.

[Sixx]

I think it's Batista who's going for the assless chaps look.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I think it's Batista who's going for the assless chaps look.

Yep. I could see it now...WWE's own Mr. Slave. :lol: