Does anybody not like HBK?

[Indifferent Clox]

Really?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Chris Jericho? :shifty:

[HBPunk]

I started watching in late 1995 as a 10/11 year old so i probly had a small man crush on him for being such a sexy bastard. Since then he lost his sexy hair but his matches are outta this world and if God wasn't holding him back he would be on top of the mountain cos his promos (esp heel ones) were among the very best.
HBK IS GOD

[Theo Dious]

Yes there are. They're called pussy-boy Hart marks.

[Indifferent Clox]

Even the Hart mark have to respect what he does in the ring

my top 5 from my lifetime (NPO)

Michaels
Angle
Danielson
Benoit
Jericho

[Wolfpack423]

Yes there are. They're called pussy-boy Hart marks.

Ehh I disagree, because I am a huge Bret Hart fan and a huge Shawn Michaels fan, though I probably am in the minority. I like HBK's 2002-present run better, more memorable matches and he's no longer a prick outside of the ring which is great. It makes me like him more even though during the 90s I enjoyed him a great deal in terms of in ring, now I like him both as a person and a wrestler.

[Theo Dious]

Ehh I disagree, because I am a huge Bret Hart fan and a huge Shawn Michaels fan, though I probably am in the minority. I like HBK's 2002-present run better, more memorable matches and he's no longer a prick outside of the ring which is great. It makes me like him more even though during the 90s I enjoyed him a great deal in terms of in ring, now I like him both as a person and a wrestler.

Well that pretty much means you aren't a pussy-boy Hart mark then.

[HBPunk]

Even the Hart mark have to respect what he does in the ring

my top 5 from my lifetime (NPO)

Michaels
Angle
Danielson
Benoit
Jericho

I just cant believe anybody likes benoit that much. Iv watched wrestling for over 15 years and his awful title run almost made me turn off forever. thank you RKO. I HATED his 86 german suplexes and that fucking headbutt and how he used to fight people into his shit finisher. he couldn't cut a promo and he looked like a fucking scumbag with his facial hair and missing tooth. When i heard he died i thought 'at least he wont get the title again' :)

[Anybody Thrilla]

TOO SOON

[Indifferent Clox]

I think Benoit was always excellent technician. That's the kind of wrestling i like, probably because I grew up since i was like 8 doing ameteur wrestling

[HBPunk]

TOO SOON

I dont subscribe to the ''dont speak ill of the dead'' i always thought he was a shit prick, dead or alive. Ill always remember flipping him off as he showed off his belt in Dublin (after a borefest of a match with kane) and when he saw us flippin him he slowly lowered his belt and stared at us. we kinda froze for a few moments realizing we were angering a man who could rip our heads off. If id known then that he was gonna become a murderer i probably woulda legged it

[The Show Off]

I recognize that Shawn Michaels may be the best in ring performer of all time. I enjoy his matches. Maybe it's the mark in me (actually I'm sure it's the mark in me) but Shawn still irratates me. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that his character hasn't changed in 8 years with the exception of that 1 month feud with Hogan.

I recognize he's great, I just don't like him.

Just like I recognize Michael Jordan is great, I just don't like him.

Just like I recognize Led Zepplin is great, I just don't like them.

I'm just being honest.

[Sixx]

I started watching in late 1995 as a 10/11 year old so i probly had a small man crush on him for being such a sexy bastard. Since then he lost his sexy hair but his matches are outta this world and if God wasn't holding him back he would be on top of the mountain cos his promos (esp heel ones) were among the very best.
HBK IS GOD

Confusing.

[HBPunk]

Confusing.

HBK IS A GOD, there xx

[Sixx]

So he's holding himself back?

[HBPunk]

Just like I recognize Led Zepplin is great, I just don't like them.

Oh dear, take your ears back to the shop, you dont deserve them

[HBPunk]

So he's holding himself back?

Id hold his self

[The Show Off]

Oh dear, take your ears back to the shop, you dont deserve them

You're allowed to like Robert Plant's women voice pretending he's a wizard of Norse mythology, but I don't.

But that's just my point. Jordan is the best basketball player to ever live and Zepplin is considered one of the 5 best bands of all time yet I don't like them. I can recognize how good they are, I just don't like them.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dont subscribe to the ''dont speak ill of the dead'' i always thought he was a shit prick, dead or alive. Ill always remember flipping him off as he showed off his belt in Dublin (after a borefest of a match with kane) and when he saw us flippin him he slowly lowered his belt and stared at us. we kinda froze for a few moments realizing we were angering a man who could rip our heads off. If id known then that he was gonna become a murderer i probably woulda legged it

I wasn't serious, bud.

[HBPunk]

You're allowed to like Robert Plant's women voice pretending he's a wizard of Norse mythology, but I don't.

But that's just my point. Jordan is the best basketball player to ever live and Zepplin is considered one of the 5 best bands of all time yet I don't like them. I can recognize how good they are, I just don't like them.

Oh wait, are you female?

[HBPunk]

Also, HBK has the greatest theme tune of all time, another reason to have wet dreams about him

[The Show Off]

Oh wait, are you female?

Nope.

[Team Sheep]

He's so gay in DX when he skips around and shit.

[HBPunk]

Nope.

u got a pic of a cartoon girl tho? ok then i believe you
Its just weird that you are male and you dont like Zep.
oh ok have you ever/do you smoke weed?
and are you 18+?

If both answers are no, then just give it time baby

[The Show Off]

u got a pic of a cartoon girl tho? ok then i believe you
Its just weird that you are male and you dont like Zep.
oh ok have you ever/do you smoke weed?
and are you 18+?

If both answers are no, then just give it time baby

Never smoked weed, and I'm well over 18.

Stop being a dumbass, get back on topic.

[HBPunk]

Never smoked weed, and I'm well over 18.

Stop being a dumbass, get back on topic.

weed and zeppelin goes together like HBK and Prayers....aaaand im back on topic

[Anybody Thrilla]

Flawless transition

[HBPunk]

Flawless transition

:lol:

[The Gold Standard]

Even the Hart mark have to respect what he does in the ring


I am a huge Hart mark, and I still like HBK. I like Bret more than HBK, but I know HBK is one of the best wrestlers of this generation, possibly all time.

[6-String King]

Even the Hart mark have to respect what he does in the ring

my top 5 from my lifetime (NPO)

Michaels
Angle
Danielson
Benoit
Jericho



Danielson? Really...Seriously?...

[BigDaddyCool]

Seriously, Benoit? That murdering asshole that fucked dogs in the pool area?

[HBPunk]

Seriously, Benoit? That murdering asshole that fucked dogs in the pool area?

:lol: yeah fuck the ugly cunt up his stupid kid murdering asshole, fuck him so much esp for being world champ

[VSG]

I just cant believe anybody likes benoit that much. Iv watched wrestling for over 15 years and his awful title run almost made me turn off forever. thank you RKO. I HATED his 86 german suplexes and that fucking headbutt and how he used to fight people into his shit finisher. he couldn't cut a promo and he looked like a fucking scumbag with his facial hair and missing tooth. When i heard he died i thought 'at least he wont get the title again' :)

Wow! You just cant appreciate great wrestling, can you?

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I'd like to move this thread away from the Benoit hate and back to the HBK love.

I do know a fan who doesn't like HBK, and really hated the fact Flairs last (Ha!) match was with him. The main point of his argument was that HBK doesn't sell and he hates the kip up.I disagree entirely, Michaels is the man.

[HBPunk]

Wow! You just cant appreciate great wrestling, can you?

Well yeah i can i love Michaels, Angle (WRESTLING ABILITY) Austin, The Rock (Mic Work) Jericho , Eddie Guerrero (Both)

I also know what entertains me and Benoit was awful, he was boring in the ring, a terrible talker, and ''Im for real'' give me a fucking break.

So theres your answer, now go enjoy some of your murderman dvd's and ill keep hating him, thanks

PS - Dont even get me started on those tiny midget legs he had, and was he ever on screen in anything but his wrestling tights? Awful awful man all round

[Sixx]

Benoit murdering his family has nothing to do with him being a great wrestler.

[Sixx]

OJ was a great fotball player, but a fucking scumbag.

[Fignuts]

Danielson? Really...Seriously?...

If you're talking only about pure in-ring skill, I wouldn't blame anyone for listing danielson.

[Mike Honcho]

I would just like to know how HBK's eyes got crossed over the years....

[Fignuts]

OJ was a great fotball player, but a fucking scumbag.

Nah, I met OJ a couple times. Great guy.

[HBPunk]

Benoit murdering his family has nothing to do with him being a great wrestler.

Who said it did? he was a boring wrestler, retard even broke his own neck doing his shit moves. pity austin didnt pick up his broken neck and stunner it to pieces and we never woulda had to sit through his dire title reign

[Sixx]

Nah, I met OJ a couple times. Great guy.

Well, if you like him so much how bout you marry him!

[HBPunk]

I would just like to know how HBK's eyes got crossed over the years....

He couldn't take his eyes off his fine wife's ass, but she was involved in a skiing accident and her buttcheeks swapped places. Unfortunately HBK was watching her ass at the time and his eyes swapped over too. Freak accident

[Fignuts]

Yeah, definitely wasn't serious with the OJ thing.

[Fignuts]

Only thing I don't like about post comeback hbk, is when he tries to be funny, it just fails imo. Feels so forced. Only bit I ever liked was "I just kicked Stan".

[Sixx]

I'm ashamed to admit, but I enjoyed them parodying Vince and Shane.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I loved when Shawn was working in the office cafeteria and HHH came for him. He superkick on the little girl was amazing.

[Emperor Smeat]

I like both Bret Hart and HBK as wrestlers since when both were wrestling, I didn't have a computer or internet to read about stories of their backstage feud or how HBK was a prick to most people. Once I learned more about the Montreal Screwjob and other stories related to him, I started to hate HBK because of his backstage antics but still liked his wrestling skills.

Ignoring the last couple DX reunions runs, I've liked HBK a lot since his return in 2002 and rooted for him when he won the title in the Elimination Chamber years ago.

[HBPunk]

I like both Bret Hart and HBK as wrestlers since when both were wrestling, I didn't have a computer or internet to read about stories of their backstage feud or how HBK was a prick to most people. Once I learned more about the Montreal Screwjob and other stories related to him, I started to hate HBK because of his backstage antics but still liked his wrestling skills.

Ignoring the last couple DX reunions runs, I've liked HBK a lot since his return in 2002 and rooted for him when he won the title in the Elimination Chamber years ago.

i think the fact hbk was a dick is even better, makes him such a hero

[4 knuckles up]

I dont like HBK. :eek:

Now don't get me wrong, I understand his in-ring ability is virtually without equal, and the amount of 5 star matches he's had will cement his legacy in the wrestling world forever. But personally, I cant find it in myself to the like the guy.

First of all, his entrance music is out dated, and shit. It is. Almost so bad, its good. But it isn't, its just bad. Sexy boy? Gimmie a fucking break, you're a balding middle aged man. Get some propper music.

His mic skills are average. Sometimes they can be good -Most of the time they lack emotion.

He takes up too much TV time, and rarely puts (deserving) people over. I'm not saying he should be jobbed out left right and centre, but imagine if he put someone, I dunno, like John Morrison over in a 20 minute match. He has trhe potential to make stars, yet I can only recall him tapping out to legacy (Though it took two of them, of course!) and getting rolled up by The Miz (He was distracted.)

He has a tendancy to over-sell.

And in real life, he sounds like a prick. Refusing to job etc...

I'll still enjoy watching his matches, and I still think his match with Taker will be the best match on the card. I just don't like him, and doubt I ever will.

:wave:

[James Steele]

You are a fucking bonkers.

[4 knuckles up]

You are a fucking bonkers.

I'd rather be bonkers than a Tripple H mark.

[smaRKO]

I recognize he's great, I just don't like him.


What he said.

I am able to realise his unparalleled greatness in-ring but there's something about him that just leaves me cold.

And I think he & Hunter need to bury DX forever now. It wasn't funny the 3rd time, it's not funny the 7th time...

[HeartBreakMan2k]

He takes up too much TV time, and rarely puts (deserving) people over. I'm not saying he should be jobbed out left right and centre, but imagine if he put someone, I dunno, like John Morrison over in a 20 minute match. He has trhe potential to make stars, yet I can only recall him tapping out to legacy (Though it took two of them, of course!) and getting rolled up by The Miz (He was distracted.)


I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because that's all a matter of opinion BUT I will say, Shawn Michaels; in his career has put more people over than probably most anone in the business. You don't have to lose a match to someone to put them over, anyone can lose a match to someone, doesn't mean it means anything. Triple H lost to the Brawler, didn't mean shit and didn't put the Brawler over. Chalie Haas loses to everyone, but it doesn't put them over.

Shawn Michaels make everyone he steps in the ring with look like a million dollars and look like they belong with the big boys. If you talk to anyone he's wrestled, most people would say their best match was against Shawn Michaels. That in and of itself puts people over.

The reality is, you can walk in the ring with Shawn Michaels a lower mid carder, and by the end of the match your relevant, and it's up to you and the booking to carry the momentum that he gives you.

[The Show Off]

I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because that's all a matter of opinion BUT I will say, Shawn Michaels; in his career has put more people over than probably most anone in the business. You don't have to lose a match to someone to put them over, anyone can lose a match to someone, doesn't mean it means anything. Triple H lost to the Brawler, didn't mean shit and didn't put the Brawler over. Chalie Haas loses to everyone, but it doesn't put them over.

Shawn Michaels make everyone he steps in the ring with look like a million dollars and look like they belong with the big boys. If you talk to anyone he's wrestled, most people would say their best match was against Shawn Michaels. That in and of itself puts people over.

The reality is, you can walk in the ring with Shawn Michaels a lower mid carder, and by the end of the match your relevant, and it's up to you and the booking to carry the momentum that he gives you.

I agree with the point that Shawn Michaels is good enough to put someone over without even losing to them. That being said who as Shawn Michaels put over that wasn't already over?

[The Franchise]

OJ was a great fotball player, but a fucking scumbag.

Orlando Jordan can't play football. All he's good for his crazy hairstyles and ordering gay porn

[HeartBreakMan2k]

To be fair, in this era; main eventers don't really wrestle undercard guys BUT, Masters, Shelton, Kozlov, both members of Legacy, all looked very credible after matches with Shawn.

And guys who were already over such as Cena, Orton, Batista, etc were carried to their best matches, to the point that even the internet community had to admit the matches were great.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hell, I mean, Shelton was MADE a start that night with Shawn Michaels, he fucked it up the next week botching a ton of stuff.

[The Show Off]

To be fair, in this era; main eventers don't really wrestle undercard guys BUT, Masters, Shelton, Kozlov, both members of Legacy, all looked very credible after matches with Shawn.

And guys who were already over such as Cena, Orton, Batista, etc were carried to their best matches, to the point that even the internet community had to admit the matches were great.

I would argue that Masters and Koslov were never over. Shelton, Ted DiBiase, and Cody Rhodes were put over by Triple H.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Koslov and Masters were credible. They weren't going to make money for the company, and the IWC hated them, but they were marketed well towards the target demographic and I'd say Micheals' match were where that existed most.

And yeah, Hunter may have put them over, but then that died off and Michaels put them over again, which died again. Attribute the need for that to bad booking for the characters. And frankly, especially in Shelton's case, Michaels was the one that made him. The combination of the two def helped, but Michaels was the be all end all to me for him.

[Stealth-Icon]

I respect what HBK has done in the business and has had some great matches with multiple people. I do enjoy watching some of his matches, but I just don't like him. I hate hearing his gay music when he comes the ring. I would be happy if he just appeared in the ring, maybe cut a quick WWE Shopzone promo, wrestled and left.

I am also not a Bret Hart fan anymore. When he was in the Hart Foundation, he was one of my favorites, but I didn't watch wrestling when he went to singles competition, therefore I don't give a shit who screwed who in the "screwjob". I can't stand the skits right now with him and Vince in the ring. It is just painful. I would like to see him as a GM or a manger, but please no more stupid "car door broke my leg" gimmicks.

[The Show Off]

Koslov and Masters were credible. They weren't going to make money for the company, and the IWC hated them, but they were marketed well towards the target demographic and I'd say Micheals' match were where that existed most.

And yeah, Hunter may have put them over, but then that died off and Michaels put them over again, which died again. Attribute the need for that to bad booking for the characters. And frankly, especially in Shelton's case, Michaels was the one that made him. The combination of the two def helped, but Michaels was the be all end all to me for him.

It's all debatable.

It's more indicative of the WWE not putting mid carders in with main eventers than Shawn Michaels not wanting to put guys over.

On a side not I think Koslov was put over more by his matches with Triple H and I think Shelton's two wins against Triple H put him over most.

But like I said it's debatable.

[The Franchise]

HBK did help Shelton with that match but the HHH match put him over more I'd say. Also Shelton got himself solid over in the MITB all by himself

But nothing, NOTHING compares to MAMA

[chieflikeanindian]

I would just like to know how HBK's eyes got crossed over the years....

Cocaine's a helluva drug

[Anybody Thrilla]

Nah, I met OJ a couple times. Great guy.

I met Benoit once and he didn't try to kill me, but I'm still not sold on how cool he may have been.

[El Fangel]

Bret Hart

and fuck you to whoever already said it.

[roach21]

I want him heel one more time. The best ever was mid 90's and the crowd was chanting H B Gay and Shawn stops in the middle of his promo and says "You can ask your mama and your sister if HBK is gay."

[blak23]

i think micheals these days is kinda annoying

[Stickman]

If he would ever let loose on the mic again I'd whack off to him.

[Jannettyzilla]

I've almost forgiven him.

[The One]

As a wrestling fan; I simply don't know how to relate to anyone who doesn't like Shawn Michaels. I wouldn't really know how to begin having a conversation with them that pertains to wrestling. It's the same thing with Steve Austin - I was and am now in no way Stone Cold's biggest fan, but I don't even know where to start with a supposed wrestling fan who doesn't like him. I'm not saying that Shawn Michaels has to be in everyone's top 5, though it would personally perplex me to not see him there. But to NOT like him (as a performer not a person)...it's just baffling.

And by the way, I'm a life long and die hard Ric Flair mark, and for what it's worth, I can understand why some people might not like him. I can understand how some might not like Rocky, Jericho, Benoit, Bret, Danielson, any number of Japanese guys, Undertaker, Cena...but to not like Shawn Michaels? I simply don't get it. HBK and Austin - if you can't enjoy them, I don't know how you could enjoy anything that relates to wrestling.

TOVO Fact: Tovo has specific object that he will chew on while working to avoid accidentally chewing on a nasty germ infested pen.

[Theo Dious]

You're allowed to like Robert Plant's women voice pretending he's a wizard of Norse mythology, but I don't.

But that's just my point. Jordan is the best basketball player to ever live and Zepplin is considered one of the 5 best bands of all time yet I don't like them. I can recognize how good they are, I just don't like them.

Led Zepplin sucks. Just saying.