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Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 12:23 PM
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Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 12:31 PM
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LuigiD
03-13-2010, 01:19 PM
Just saw this.
I was not feeling it at first..but the footage got me interested.

Jon Kano
03-13-2010, 01:28 PM
The thread wasn't properly named, but this film has already been discussed here also, and since it's not hard or destroys the world to link it in a similar thread, here it is for reference or further discussion....

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99444

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Bit of a difference here, not to mention it breaches the realm of irony - unless you were going for that.

Reavant
03-13-2010, 01:35 PM
def thought this was a zeeboe thread

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 01:42 PM
ZING

Jon Kano
03-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Bit of a difference here, not to mention it breaches the realm of irony - unless you were going for that.

What? :wtf:

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:05 PM
I suppose you weren't then...

There wasn't a Predators thread so I made this one. That's all. I'm sorry for undercutting the Adrien Brody thread.

Jon Kano
03-13-2010, 02:08 PM
I was linking the two because I knew the film and its cast had already been discussed in a similar thread.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Oh

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:10 PM
Kay

thedamndest
03-13-2010, 02:12 PM
Adrian Brody and Topher Grace are not the people I would have hand-picked to lead my Anti-Predator Squad.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:14 PM
They have Morphius. And Machete.

ClockShot
03-13-2010, 02:15 PM
Fishbourne should pick one or the other. CSI or movies. Ever since taking Will Petersen's place, I can't take him seriously in new movies.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:20 PM
Really?

thedamndest
03-13-2010, 02:23 PM
They have Morphius. And Machete.

Morpheus + Machete + Dutch + Carl Weathers is what you need.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 02:26 PM
Dutch FTW

Fignuts
03-13-2010, 05:44 PM
Been waiting for this. So happy they didn't just shovel out a cliche-ridden, suckfest like the avp movies, and got a good director and cast.

Really hope they do the same for Alien, because I've been waiting for that series to not suck, for years now.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 06:12 PM
Isn't Ridley Scott in charge of the Alien prequel?

Fignuts
03-13-2010, 06:23 PM
I dunmo. Didn't even know there was a new alien movie on the way.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 06:26 PM
They're working on a prequel. They thought a sequel would be a step back, but the news got thin quick. Not development Hell thin, just careful of information.

G
03-13-2010, 06:34 PM
http://www.premiere.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/predator_1/599573-1-eng-US/predator_1.jpg

Fignuts
03-13-2010, 06:47 PM
They're working on a prequel. They thought a sequel would be a step back, but the news got thin quick. Not development Hell thin, just careful of information.

Would love a movie like the first one. Definitely my fav of the series, as I enjoy the horror aspect a lot more than the action parts of the later movies. Original Alien is the scariest movie of all time, imo. I remember my dad telling me that people would be leaving the theatre halfway through, because they were either too grossed out, or too terrified to keep watching.

I know they went back to the one alien thing in 3, but the execution was pretty bad. Just wasn't the same.

Kalyx triaD
03-13-2010, 06:56 PM
Alien 3 was... I won't say fail but it missed it's mark. The first Alien changed my life. One of those things from my childhood that reverberated in my life.

Probably shouldn't have watched it at my age.

I thought resurrection was cool in a 'comic book movie' sort of way, at least it felt like the Alien comics to me. The AVP movies turned them into b-movie villains. I think they're the greatest modern monsters ever, but who's scared of them anymore?

Fignuts
03-13-2010, 07:04 PM
Yeah, HATE that shit.

Even with 3, and resurrection, the aliens and predators were still on a higher echelon than the typical cheesy horror stuff like freddy and jason. Not after avp though.

Swear to god, I'll mention that I like alien and predator movies, and some jackoff says those are just b movie cheese, because he's never seen the originals. The dick punch he recieves is only mildly satisfying. Need some good movies to come out.

Shadow
03-14-2010, 04:36 AM
God damn it at this rate I'm gonna run out of underwear.

Sixx
03-14-2010, 10:50 AM
I'll watch it solely to see this name in credits:

Mahershalalhashbaz Ali.

muffalufagus
03-14-2010, 05:09 PM
FUCKING EXCITED!

Rammsteinmad
03-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Is that Michelle Rodrigez as the woman with the gun?

Is it is... lol.

Kalyx triaD
03-14-2010, 06:16 PM
No.

Jon Kano
03-14-2010, 06:33 PM
She sure can suck a dick. I know from experience.

Kalyx triaD
03-14-2010, 06:42 PM
Somebody told you?

Jon Kano
03-14-2010, 06:46 PM
True story man, no one would believe me, so I don't bother telling it, but I know from primary, actual, physical real experience.

Kalyx triaD
03-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Okay then.

Jon Kano
03-14-2010, 07:36 PM
man STFU YOU FUCK FUCKING SKET, YOU FUCKING SKET!

Kalyx triaD
03-14-2010, 07:43 PM
No.

thedamndest
03-14-2010, 08:14 PM
If you got your dick sucked by Michelle Rodriguez you would not be alive to tell the tale because it is a known fact that Michelle Rodriguez slits the throat and drinks the blood of any man she receives seed from.

Kalyx triaD
03-14-2010, 08:17 PM
That too.

Jon Kano
03-14-2010, 08:40 PM
If you got your dick sucked by Michelle Rodriguez you would not be alive to tell the tale because it is a known fact that Michelle Rodriguez slits the throat and drinks the blood of any man she receives seed from.

You are preaching to the choir my Hindu friend. Preaching to the choir.

The fact is there is not one day that goes by when I have to explain the scars on my throat. I survived.

Ogen
03-15-2010, 08:06 AM
Kano you did not get a blowjob from Michelle Rodriguez.

Ogen
03-15-2010, 08:09 AM
Around 2001, Rodriguez dated Vin Diesel,[14] her co-star from The Fast and the Furious. In 2003, Rodriguez was photographed sharing a kiss with Kylie Minogue's boyfriend Olivier Martinez and the two were later spotted partying together on Puff Daddy's yacht in the south of France.[15]
In 2006, she "had her eye on" Irish actor and S.W.A.T. co-star, Colin Farrell

Vin Diesel to Colin Farrell to Jon Kano. Every womans dream.

Jon Kano
03-15-2010, 01:34 PM
Well that's a bonus because it's either Colin Farrell or Edward Norton people say I look like.

Like I said, the story is beyond unbeliveable and no one will ever believe me. But I have that actual experience she sure can suck a dick, just know it.

thedamndest
03-15-2010, 03:01 PM
Might as well add your blow job story to Michelle Rodriguez's wikipedia page.

Jon Kano
03-15-2010, 03:34 PM
She will not appreciate it.

thedamndest
03-15-2010, 03:39 PM
Do you think she wants BloodRayne on there? Certain things aren't up to her.

Jeritron
03-15-2010, 03:48 PM
She was in Bloodrayne? I thought that was the TX, who interestingly enough I heard had a lesbian relationship with Michelle Rodriguez

thedamndest
03-15-2010, 04:02 PM
Both were in BloodRayne. The lesbian relationship is addressed and cited on both Michelle and the TX's pages.

Jeritron
03-15-2010, 04:53 PM
Those two being together just seems right. I think they should make a sextape and have James Cameron produce.

thedamndest
03-15-2010, 05:15 PM
The Squirt Locker directed by Kathryn Biggahoe.

Kalyx triaD
03-16-2010, 01:01 AM
If the bitch from Girlfight blew you, good show.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/107/1077748/predators-poster_1268692716.jpg

Reavant
03-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Im not going to say i dont believe you... but I am going to say you have to explain how this situation came about

Zeeboe
03-16-2010, 01:01 PM
Ahh. I love that the 80's are back. A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Karate Kid, and Predators. I look forward to seeing them all.

The Mackem
03-17-2010, 06:12 AM
Well I came here for the Predators but I stayed for the Jon Kano blowjob.

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Pissed they took the video down

Kalyx triaD
06-15-2010, 11:28 AM
Full Look At "Mr. Black":

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/predators20.jpg

He's the 'final boss' of the film, tougher than all past Preds, and doesn't take shit from his own kind.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/predators22.jpg

His eyes are nightmares.

Also, production pics:

http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/_1276561057_01.jpg

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/_1276561040_01.jpg

http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/_1276562078_01.jpg

Ermaximus
06-15-2010, 12:30 PM
Ok so odds that the black guy, not Fishburne, dies first?

Kalyx triaD
06-15-2010, 01:26 PM
That's not even controversial anymore.

LuigiD
06-15-2010, 02:02 PM
Loving the new designs for the Predators.

Sixx
06-15-2010, 02:49 PM
Meh, I was hoping this would be a full-length movie with Chris Hansen.

Kalyx triaD
06-15-2010, 05:01 PM
There's still hope.

Sixx
06-16-2010, 08:18 AM
Someone needs to photoshop Chris Hansen into this pics.

Kalyx triaD
06-17-2010, 04:44 PM
http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/06/p-8.jpg

This looks like a scene that will show why the dude from That 70's Show was handpicked by alien hunters to join other obvious looking badasses.

Jeritron
06-17-2010, 04:54 PM
I know why he's there. They said so before they even started filming

Swiss Ultimate
06-18-2010, 09:21 PM
Who is directing this? (lazy)

Jeritron
06-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Some dude named Nimrod. Not kidding either. Nimrod Antal or something like that.

It's produced by Robert Rodriguez and based on a story he pitched to Fox years and years ago, though. So that's a potential plus.
I think his original script was supposed to be to Predator as Aliens was to Alien. It was supposedly very good, but Fox passed because the franchise was dead in the 90s.
I read the opening scene once.
I'm sure it's been changed around a ton, but hopefully it retains some of it's original quality.

Fox is awful, for the record. They make the worst decisions of any major studio, very consistently and for a long time now.

Fignuts
06-19-2010, 02:21 PM
Dunno, trailer looks far farrrrrrr better than anything that fox has pumped out for this franchise in years. Almost looks on par with the original.

Jeritron
06-19-2010, 02:26 PM
Oh I'm not saying that this doesn't look good. It seems to be on the right track. Robert Rodriguez overseeing it is great.
I'm just saying Fox is horrible and has made mistakes for a long time. Making the Aliens vs Predator movies in all their awfulness instead of this movie is one of those mistakes.
Pretty sure Rodriguez pitched this in the 90s

Fignuts
06-19-2010, 02:37 PM
Making Alien vs Predator wasn't the mistake. It was the execution. AvP was pretty bankable franchise for over a decade before the film. They should have had more respect for that, when putting it together, instead of just shitting out a crappy popcorn flick.

Regardless, the scene where the Alien meets the Predator for the first time still gives me chills, and is an incredibly badass scene, despite how much the rest of the movie sucks.

Fignuts
06-19-2010, 02:46 PM
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Waited ten years for that, and it was worth not only the wait, but also sitting through the rest of that movie. Say what you will about AvP as a whole, but that scene could not have been executed any better. So awesome.

Jeritron
06-19-2010, 02:55 PM
FOx is the reason it was executed poorly. The studios get what they want

RP
06-20-2010, 09:10 AM
Walton Goggins

i'm there


btw, the trailer i just watched shows like 5 deaths. Seriously why the fuck would they do that.

Kane Knight
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
I alluded to it in my Addams Family thread, and I just saw the trailer again. Doesn't give much info, but it looks...Well, it looks like it shows almost nothing, but anyway:

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I suppose it hits the points to catch interest, and it caught mine.

ClockShot
07-02-2010, 05:29 PM
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100564&highlight=Predators

Corporate CockSnogger
07-02-2010, 05:29 PM
Yeah there's one on the second page

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100564

Corporate CockSnogger
07-02-2010, 05:30 PM
FUCK YOU CLOCKSHOT! Ruining my attempt at being useful.

ClockShot
07-02-2010, 05:35 PM
Get on the ball faster, dude.

Corporate CockSnogger
07-02-2010, 05:39 PM
I'll get on your ball faster if you're not careful :mad:

wait...

Kane Knight
07-02-2010, 05:48 PM
I hear there's a thread on the second pa....Wait.

thedamndest
07-02-2010, 06:30 PM
It's a Predators/Jon Kano dick suck thread.

Jeritron
07-02-2010, 06:57 PM
The thing that sucks it that Robert Rodriguez wrote this in the early 90s, and had every intention of having Arnold reprise his role as Dutch.
They eventually scaled it back further and further until they faced facts that they just had to cut it.
He was talking about this an interview I read the other day.

Jeritron
07-07-2010, 01:10 PM
I just saw that the first batch of reviews are coming in for this and they're all very positive.
I think it has 100% on rottentomatoes atm, if only out of 10 or so reviews

Ermaximus
07-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Can't wait to see this during the weekend.

Jeritron
07-07-2010, 02:37 PM
Same here

Ermaximus
07-07-2010, 02:59 PM
Same here

I'm totally expecting everyone to die but Fishburne, Brody, and that girl.

Jeritron
07-07-2010, 03:40 PM
Predator movies usually don't see that many survivors

Ermaximus
07-07-2010, 03:47 PM
Predator movies usually don't see that many survivors

Duly noted. Alien movies are the same way. Was honestly pissed when Hudson died in Aliens the first time I saw it. Same goes for both Dillon and Mac in Predator. :mad:

Jeritron
07-07-2010, 03:55 PM
The rule of all slasher or monster movies tends to be that one male and one female survive

LuigiD
07-07-2010, 07:23 PM
Loving the trailers and art direction of the film. I am glad movie studios have not given up on the Predator franchise yet. I personally hated the first AVP but I loved the second one. Even resembled a couple of the old comics. This one seems to have a comic book feel from the Predator comics from the 90's. Can't wait.

Danny Electric
07-08-2010, 07:16 PM
Saw it tonight, was impressed with it overall but their was far too many references to the first film.

Sixx
07-08-2010, 08:00 PM
I bet Danny Trejo gets his arm ripped off or something.

Jeritron
07-09-2010, 02:46 AM
I just got back from this. I enjoyed myself. I thought it was well done for the most part, but it got a tad messy and fell apart in some areas in the final act.

Still, it was a good time and a much more faithful and interesting sequel than any of the other efforts, really.


Some thoughts:


I think the biggest flaw of the movie was how unintimidating the Predators themselves were. This is to be expected compared to the first, because of how familiar the audience is with them now.
Still, I think they dropped the ball there a bit. They kept them off screen and built them up for the first half of the movie, and the "Jaws effect" was working nicely. Then they crash onto the screen in a blaze of glory. This was good too...

The problem from here was mainly that they were really downplayed after this. They didn't do much more in the way of being terrifying enemies.
They didn't really get "clean kills" on any of the characters. Two characters killed Predators on their way out, and even the comic relief convict character (from The Shield) got offense in before dying. It sort of lessened the Predators.

The penalty of this is that when our main character gets into a brawl with the Predator, it's not really anything special that he's capable of putting up a fight. The final act of the movie had a lot of shit going on and felt a bit anticlimactic. But I disgress. It's only a Predator movie.

The good things are that it felt like a spiritual successor to the original, and had a great concept. There were some great moments and action sequences. The tone of the film definitely harkened back to the original, and there were nice touches like the music.
The Laurence Fishburne character was good stuff.

The female character recalling a briefing she recieved about the events of the first movie, (and sharing all kinds of details including what year it occured and how Arnie knew how to kill them) was a bit of a facepalm moment. It was pointless, since it didn't have any effect on the plot and only served to reference the first movie in a far-fetched connection.

Sixx
07-09-2010, 06:33 AM
Who is the main character in the movie anyway?

4 knuckles up
07-09-2010, 09:05 AM
The main character is Adrian Brody.

I watched this last night- An absolutely sweet film. After watching all the AVP crap I fear the worst, but this is so much like the original in many ways.

Its a solid film. Some of the dialogue is total cheese, in an action movie cliché kinda way, but if you can deal with that- You'll have fun.

The Yakuza guy in it was the baddest mother fucker.

Sixx
07-09-2010, 12:48 PM
I just can't imagine Adrien Brody as a bad-ass.

Heard he gained 25 pounds of muscle, but still.

BigDaddyCool
07-09-2010, 01:42 PM
I just can't imagine Adrien Brody as a bad-ass.

Heard he gained 25 pounds of muscle, but still.

How did we go from Arnold, to Danny Glover, to Adrien Brody?

Danny Electric
07-09-2010, 08:05 PM
How did we go from Arnold, to Danny Glover, to Adrien Brody?

He's done a war movie before, The Thin Red Line plus it showed just how good an actor he is to do a different kind of movie.

ClockShot
07-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Brody can do anything. Biopic, comedy, classic remake, war flick.

Pick a role, he'll probably nail it down pat.

Jeritron
07-10-2010, 01:25 AM
I think Brody is great. I love how he went from The Pianist, to King Kong, to this though. I feel like King Kong was the appropriate segway

Jeritron
07-10-2010, 01:27 AM
I know they were trying to get Arnold to reprise his role as Dutch for this, and he was originally a part of the script early on.
I wonder where he would have fit in. If the story was pretty much the same, my guess would be that the Laurence Fishburne role was designed for him. It would have worked.

Danny Electric
07-10-2010, 02:33 AM
When the film was originally to be made in the 90's Dutch was in the script but then it never wen ahead.

Jeritron
07-10-2010, 02:41 AM
Yes but they were also trying to get him for a small role this time around

Blitz
07-10-2010, 11:33 AM
Pretty badass movie. Loved Adrien Brody's character. My only complaint is what seems like a big plot hole.
So they know Nikolay kills the one Predator. The heroes don't see it, but make a logical assumption that it is dead, I guess. But the second predator, the one killed by the Yakuza guy, no one knows it's dead. Why would they relax after killing the third one, when by all rights they should still think there's one more out there? Or did they just have that much faith in a human with a Samurai sword vs. a fucking alien badass?

Jeritron
07-10-2010, 02:52 PM
Good point Blitz.

I guess they just assumed he would be there for the final fight if he was still around. That's the most logical way around it. The writers probably overlooked that/didn't care though.

Gonzo
07-11-2010, 06:15 PM
Meh, this was okay.

ClockShot
07-11-2010, 07:14 PM
I know they were trying to get Arnold to reprise his role as Dutch for this, and he was originally a part of the script early on.
I wonder where he would have fit in. If the story was pretty much the same, my guess would be that the Laurence Fishburne role was designed for him. It would have worked.

You bring him back so bad guys could get even. Like Simon Gruber going after John McClane in Die Hard 3. Sorta like, "they've been watching me from afar." :shifty:

That's how I would have done it.

wwe2222
07-14-2010, 07:47 AM
I just got back from this. I enjoyed myself. I thought it was well done for the most part, but it got a tad messy and fell apart in some areas in the final act.

Still, it was a good time and a much more faithful and interesting sequel than any of the other efforts, really.


Some thoughts:


I think the biggest flaw of the movie was how unintimidating the Predators themselves were. This is to be expected compared to the first, because of how familiar the audience is with them now.
Still, I think they dropped the ball there a bit. They kept them off screen and built them up for the first half of the movie, and the "Jaws effect" was working nicely. Then they crash onto the screen in a blaze of glory. This was good too...

The problem from here was mainly that they were really downplayed after this. They didn't do much more in the way of being terrifying enemies.
They didn't really get "clean kills" on any of the characters. Two characters killed Predators on their way out, and even the comic relief convict character (from The Shield) got offense in before dying. It sort of lessened the Predators.

The penalty of this is that when our main character gets into a brawl with the Predator, it's not really anything special that he's capable of putting up a fight. The final act of the movie had a lot of shit going on and felt a bit anticlimactic. But I disgress. It's only a Predator movie.

The good things are that it felt like a spiritual successor to the original, and had a great concept. There were some great moments and action sequences. The tone of the film definitely harkened back to the original, and there were nice touches like the music.
The Laurence Fishburne character was good stuff.

The female character recalling a briefing she recieved about the events of the first movie, (and sharing all kinds of details including what year it occured and how Arnie knew how to kill them) was a bit of a facepalm moment. It was pointless, since it didn't have any effect on the plot and only served to reference the first movie in a far-fetched connection.



well except that Adrien Brody used that knowledge to put the mud on at the end

Jura
09-25-2010, 02:21 PM
He used the fire mainly so they should have not have had the girl tell the story in such detail and have Royce figure something out like he has been doing earlier.

Only gripe about the film is that Adrien's gruff voice is forced. It's not bad as Christian Bale in Batman but I feel like I'm aware that he's doing it on purpose.

Sixx
09-29-2010, 06:41 PM
Adrien Brody's character is hilarious. His voice, his lines.

Give him sunglasses and that's a fuckin' Horatio Caine.

Jon Kano
09-29-2010, 08:51 PM
His casting was one of only a few things I didn't like about the film.

Zeeboe
08-24-2012, 06:03 PM
I saw this film in 2010, loved it, and recently rewatched it, and I have some thoughts:

The two biggest reasons why I enjoyed this film was because first, every human character was so intriguing that they could totally have their own spin-off film that focuses on them which is something I rarely say or type about an entire cast. Second, the alien Predators were not the *only* predators in this film, which I thought was a cool twist. Truly, the title of this film could be applied to both the alien characters AND the human characters.

For the most part, I love and appreciate the villains in films more then the heroes and I think the villains are more entertaining. Reasons being is because villains are totally unpredictable! You never know what they are going to say or do next. And because most villains are selfish characters, they will do ANYTHING to accomplish whatever their goal is, and not care what it takes. So when you have a film with a bunch of very well written villains together, played by good actors, mixed in with cool anti-hero characters who are also well written and wonderfully acted, it's bound to be an entertaining and fun film.

Tommy Gunn
08-25-2012, 06:50 AM
I liked it in 2010, thought it was okay.

Rewatched it recently and I thought it was a pretty badly made film. At no point do I really care for any of the characters, mostly just stock fodder with bad dialogue. It's just a rehashing of the first film, right down to the same score.

Predator 2 is a masterpiece in comparison.

Kalyx triaD
08-25-2012, 07:12 AM
Reusing the score was deliberate, and sort of normal.

Zeeboe
08-25-2012, 01:24 PM
And see, some people's dislike for the characters is what makes it appealing to me. Because all the characters are either villains or anti-heroes, some viewers who love heroes are going to be uneasy because there is not going to be any characters that they can relate to, or vicariously live through, and they are just going to feel miserable and uneasy and will feel stuck with who they will think are unlikeable, unpredictable and violent people.

Truly, there are no good guys in this film. i.e. No characters with morals. It's just a group of violent, crazy, and selfish human predators working together and trying to escape from alien predators. This is one of those types of films that would really suck to be trapped in! Think HBO's "Oz" meets "Predator".


I didn't really care for Predator 2. I feel it was only made because the first one had a made a lot of money, so the studio quickly rushed to make a sequel, and just whipped something up, knowing just the words "Predator 2" on a movie poster would attract a crowd.

Predator 2 just doesn't have that "Do you ever get the feeling you're being watched?" vibe that both the original "Predator" and "Predators" has. Also, one of the appeals of both "Predator" and "Predators" is that the humans were on the Predator's turf, which added to the horror, whereas "Predator 2" took place on human turf, which took the horror away some in my view because we the viewers feel like we are on safe ground, and just knowing all it would take is the U.S. army to kill the Predator makes me feel a bit too comfortable as I watch "Predator 2" and what makes a scary film scary is I prefer to feel all on edge and uneasy.


Here's a parable I just came up with to describe why I love "Predators" -

I never go deer hunting because I feel deers are helpless and innocent creatures, and stand no chance against those who hunt them so I would feel bad killing a deer. However, if I had the proper training, I would MAYBE be open to the idea of hunting bears, tigers, wolves, crocodiles, snakes, rhinoceros, cape buffalo's and other dangerous animals who also hunt and kill other animals and humans.

Why would I be maybe open to hunting these animals? Because I know they are dangerous and would not think twice about hunting me, killing me and maybe eating me afterwards. Hunting those types of animals is a true sport because when you do that, those animals are not the only ones who's lives are at risk. Yours is true. i.e. If you hunt those types of animals, you are also being hunted by them.

That is essentially what "Predators" is about - It's human predators going up against alien predators.

Kalyx triaD
08-25-2012, 03:31 PM
While I too love the movie, I can promise people's issues with the characters and dialogue have nothing to with them being 'anti-heroes' or whatever "people want purity" shit you're pushing. The trend of recent action heroes shows that people very much lean toward dark shit these days, which is kinda annoying, and why I find Avengers (and Captain America in particular) so refreshing.

Zeeboe
08-25-2012, 04:29 PM
It's just odd that some people would love "Predator", but not "Predators" when the overall theme of both films is very much alike. That theme being the Predator only kills creatures that it knows are just as dangerous as itself, which is exactly why the Predator never killed Anna in the first film because she had no weapon and as Dutch said to her, there was "no sport" in killing her, (much like to me there is no sport in killing a helpless deer, but there is sport in killing a dangerous bear)

There is still a big difference between the two films and that difference being that the main group of characters in "Predator" were all heroes. They may have been ultra-bad-asses, but they were all unselfish people who worked together and looked out for one another. The characters in "Predators" were the opposite.

The development of morality is something that is completely necessary for societies to function. The fact is, every single person out there is dependent on thousands of other people for the products and services and things that we rely upon every single day. At the beginning of civilization, it started off with small groups such as tribes taking care of each other and it slowly coalesced and turned into a nation. If we didn't band together that way, the human race wouldn't have survived.

In the case with the human characters in "Predators", they only worked together for that very reason I stated above. i.e. They only helped each other only when they had to, and were really helping each other for their own selfish means, but anyone one of them would have been happy to kill the other to gain an advantage or if they became a parasite.

I mean, Adrien Brody's character "Royce" is suppose to be the "hero" of the film and twice, he uses his fellow humans as bait. Dutch would never do something like that. When Poncho hurt himself, Dutch helped him. Royce would have left him, or used him to lure the Predators.

The fact that Royce is suppose to be the head "good guy" and would do something like tells you what kind of people the characters all are. Royce was just the lesser of many evil's, and the other characters were so violent and crazy, Royce just seems like a good guy, but in any other film, he'd be a villain. He's just a little bit like Paul Reiser's character "Carter Burke" in "Aliens" with the way he just leaves people in trouble or uses them. But again, the fact that all these characters in "Predator" are bad people is what makes it entertaining and different.


Here's another example to describe the film - Even though I love some super hero films, going into them, I pretty much subconsciously know the super hero is going to win in the end, and that's cool, but whenever I watch films such as "Freddy vs. Jason, "The Devil's Rejects", or "Predators", because almost all the characters are either villains or anti-heroes, I pretty much don't know who's going to win or what crazy things the characters are going to do in order to win and that unpredictability and suspense is apart of the appeal.

I understand though why some people wouldn't enjoy that type of stress in a film and didn't like that a Predator film went down that route since the other ones never did, and would prefer a classic "good vs. evil" film and kinda depend on that subconscious and comfortable reminder that no matter how bad things are in a film, the main hero is a guy we like and he is going to take care of things in the end.

But with a film such as "Predators", you're not going to have that warm and fuzzy feeling. And some people will love that, but others will hate it. I personally think it was a good idea that they did something different instead of rehashing that same old thing where the Predator comes in, kills everyone, but then the hero stops it and we all live happily ever after again.

Kalyx triaD
08-25-2012, 05:31 PM
People are people dude.

Zeeboe
08-25-2012, 05:39 PM
Meaning?

Kalyx triaD
08-25-2012, 06:26 PM
They're gonna dig things you don't. Crazy coming from me but an essay isn't worth it.

Zeeboe
08-25-2012, 07:23 PM
I know, and I understand. I just (clearly) enjoy deep thoughts and chats, and there is a film forum I go on to do just that.

mitch_h
08-25-2012, 08:16 PM
The success of the first predator has little to do with character and nothing to do with themes or what you are describing as themes. Predator's success was largely filmic, particularly the way it created suspense. A lot of that suspense came from how little we knew about the Predator.

Predators had nothing in terms of suspense, it's a hard thing to duplicate especially in the hands of another filmmaker. Instead it was a fanfic level script and a bunch of unmemorable action sequences. Personally I see Predator sequels as necessary as the Jaws sequels.

Kalyx triaD
08-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Where can somebody take the idea, though? What would be worthy.

Zeeboe
08-26-2012, 11:01 AM
I still think the theme I described is correct which is why Dutch told Anna that the Predator didn't kill her because she wasn't armed and there was no sport in killing an unarmed person, and also why all the human characters in "Predators" were predators themselves that were given dangerous weapons to defend themselves against the alien Predators because there is a sport in going after them and it's all fair.

"Predators" would have been a rip-off if it totally copied "Predator". The first was about one Predator taking on a group of soldiers and was a classic tale of good vs. evil. It also served as a Vietnam parable. A bunch of bad-asses out in the deep jungle facing an enemy who is "alien" to them and they can never see it, but it's always watching them.

And the last film is about a bunch of predators - Human and Alien and the suspense is that they are all dangerous. And there were some more extreme characters who were quick to anger and violence that would show a random act of kindness, just to show the audience that they are people too, but then later on.....they do something totally shocking, selfish, and violent! To remind the audience that they are STILL dangerous people. Then the film has more quiet and passive characters who are slow to anger and violence and appear to be caring, sane, and unselfish, but then they will shock you when they become violent or selfish to remind the audience again -That these are dangerous people.

So that's where the suspense came for me. You not only had to worry about the alien predators, but you had to worry about the human predators as well.


If this film was about a bunch of cops and soldiers who landed on that planet, and they all worked together, even though I'd most likely still enjoy the film for it's visual beauty and because it was about a bunch of alien Predators instead of just one, I probably wouldn't enjoy the film to the extent I do now, and I might be inclined to agree with some of the comments, and think it was a rip-off/remake. But it's the fact that it was a bunch of villains is what made it it's own film and entertaining and gave it that extra edge. When it's a bunch of good people sitting around who all care about each other talking, you feel safe, but when it's a group of dangerous people, you're always on the edge of your seat because not only were you looking for alien predators to come out and attack, but you also know one of those human predators could turn on a character you like at any second.

Tommy Gunn
08-26-2012, 12:05 PM
That's cool that you enjoyed it, each to their own, life would be shit if everyone always liked the same things. :)

I don't actually mind the premise or the characters they created, I just don't think the characters were given a lot of personality, which is down to a writing problem. Other than the 'bitch raping time' scene, making the characters all strangers meant there was little to no comedic relief in the banter. I suppose I unfairly compare it to Predator and even Aliens, because those films gave us time to get used to the characters, and discover their vices and quirks.

How do you find Adrian Brody in the film? I didn't mind him as much as I thought I would, and I understand they wanted the antithesis of Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role to help the film stand on it's own, but I dunno, I don't quite buy into him.

Zeeboe
08-27-2012, 11:12 AM
I agree. I've always believed because we all come from different backgrounds and have had different experiences we're bound to have different likes and dislikes in life. i.e. Be able to relate or not relate to certain songs, films, etc.

I think people like certain films because they represent our memories, fantasies, experiences, fears, misfortunes, and desires. For some of us, filmed depictions of major life experiences ranging from traveling to sexual intercourse to working to violence to socializing and plenty more precede and in some cases even substitute for our actual encounters with them. I think much of what we think we know of life comes not from direct experience, but from simulated experience delivered through vicarious and highly mediated format of motion pictures.

Films also give us the only knowledge we have of races we have never encountered personally, places we have never been to, and experiences we have never had. Thus the way we see, understand, and misunderstand experiences of the past, present, and future are largely shaped by pop culture; and movies, especially those which are very popular demand critical assessment and careful interrogation if we are to understand what they say about the concerns and values of us and our lives.

I think you can tell a lot about a person based on their favorite films if you look deep enough into it. The images we get from movies and other popular culture media, especially the images that are repeated often or are especially popular or powerful, likely influences how we view the world, and how we view ourselves, which in turn must influence how we act in it. Thus films become more than stories or pastimes. They function as myths that are an integral part of the process through which we remember history, interpret experience, and prescribe a course of future action.


Anyhow, I thought Brody was good. I never would have pictured him as a bad-ass, but after seeing him in "Predators" and "The Experiment", I think he is a great action star. He looks more like a realistic bad-ass so it gave the film a sense of realism. Arnold is such a unique actor, but that's why we love him.

And in regards of the characters - Again, it's the mystery behind all of them that adds to the appeal in my view. It makes you watch and listen extra carefully whenever they speak.

I am going to be reading the novel based on the film soon so hopefully I'll get more insight on the characters.

Kalyx triaD
08-27-2012, 11:41 AM
I hate when novels are adapted from a film.

No problem with the other way around.

Zeeboe
08-27-2012, 11:58 AM
I hate when novels are adapted from a film.

No problem with the other way around.

Some are really good though. They go into *a lot* more detail and you can learn a lot about the characters. i.e. Their inner-thoughts.

About two years ago, I discovered that the first four Rocky films had their own novels and it was awesome to find something new in the Rocky universe. (At least they were new from POV.) Reading those books was much like reading a director's cut of the films.

For example - In the Rocky IV novel, it went into great detail about Apollo's training with Rocky in Vegas which we never see the film, but we do in the book and it's highly entertaining.

Sixx
08-27-2012, 12:49 PM
Considering Zeeboe's fascination with "To Catch a Predator" I'm gonna assume that the only reason he watched "Predators" is because he thought it's gonna be about everyday life of pedophiles.

Kalyx triaD
08-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Because Zeeboe lives in a world with no trailers or internet news whatsoever, dick.

Zeeboe
08-27-2012, 02:08 PM
:wtf:......What the hell? Someone defending *me*? :eek:

Kalyx triaD
08-27-2012, 02:21 PM
I'd take you over Sixx any day. His attempts at humor and ribs are annoying and reeks of 'internet safety'.

Sixx
08-27-2012, 02:26 PM
I'd take you over Sixx any day. His attempts at humor and ribs are annoying and reeks of 'internet safety'.

What a glorious 30k post.

You acting tough is just precious. Pose with the Thor's hammer and an angry face maybe?

Kalyx triaD
08-27-2012, 02:26 PM
Ah fuck.

Zeeboe
08-27-2012, 02:47 PM
Greatest 30k post ever. :yes: :y: