Cornette wants Russo Dead !!!!!!!!

[taker707]

Jim Cornette has made some very strong comments on his blog towards Vince Russo, which you can read at http://www.jimcornette.com/ The comments are from an email he sent to Terry Taylor, who is a TNA employee. Also available at that link is a letter Cornette received in response to his blog post from the law firm of Davis, Shapiro, Lewit & Hayes, LLP.

The letter calls Cornette’s comments “terroristic threats” and claims that as a result of those comments, Russo “has understandably experienced extreme fear for himself and his family.”

Here is the letter Cornette sent to Terry Taylor:

Email from Jim Cornette to Terry Taylor dated March 19, 2010:

TT,

I was going thru and deleting a bunch of old emails and found this last one from you. I don’t mean to stir anything up, but I felt I had to write and get some things off my chest.

I have always liked you and we have never had a problem. I am sure you have heard some of my many commentaries on TNA and I wanted to make sure you knew I wish you no ill, nor do I wish anyone in TNA ill, including talent, TV crew, and office staff. If the “incident” had not happened when it did, I would have quit anyway a month later when the news broke that Hogan and Bischoff were taking over the company, and you know this to be true, because the only reason I was ever there was that I thought TNA would be the promotion to keep Vince from having a monopoly, and be an alternative to this bullshit sports entertainment. Obviously, with the new regime, that is not in the plans, and I would have made a (hopefully) graceful exit shaking my head and wondering why. But taking that out of the equation, I was glad I worked for TNA, it’s just frustrating and disappointing to me that it couldn’t have turned out better. If not for one thing, I could move on with no hard feelings. But that one thing is big, and is in danger of consuming my life if I don’t just come out and say it.

I will say it because I am trying to quell the burning in my heart–I hate Vince Russo. I despise Vince Russo. I want Vince Russo to die. If I could figure out a way to murder him without going to prison, I would consider it the greatest accomplishment of my life.

I hate him for the money he’s cost me. I hate him for what he’s done to the business. I hate him for keeping TNA from being competitive to WWE. I hate him for the careers, even the lives he’s ruined with his shitty booking and the irreparable damage he’s done to every promotion he’s been involved with. I regularly wake up from dreams in which I am in the act of murdering him. I literally burn whenever I think of him. I have sworn to myself that I will willingly go to jail if I ever see him in person again, and he had better pray to his fictitious invisible man in the sky that that day never comes. I intend to make it my life’s work and mission to fuck with him and anything he ever has anything to do with in the wrestling business.

Why am I writing you this? One, I got the irresistable urge to explain to you the depth of my abhorrence for this abominable prick, and two, I want to make sure that you, and anyone you care to share this with, knows that I truly and genuinely wanted TNA to succeed and liked working with all of you. I am no longer a supporter of TNA as a company, I hope it goes under quickly and painfully because of the stupidity Dixie has exhibited in employing Russo and now the WCW murderers, and I apparently will see my wishes come true with the new direction, but I really did want to see it succeed. I still like everyone there, and am only mad at a few people–Jeff, for talking me into co-existing with that miserable waste of human flesh for 3 years to the point where I have trouble looking at myself in the mirror and not a day goes by that I am not ashamed of myself for abandoning every principle I ever had and speaking to the motherfucker; and Dixie, not just for employing that useless twat, but for lying to me about the reasons for my firing (never mentioning Ed Ferrara’s name and acting like Russo had no part in it), and lying ABOUT me (letting some Russo stooge spread rumors that I was fired for acting unprofessionally toward him, then not putting her name on the retraction while knowing it wasn’t true.)

Otherwise, I like everyone there and wish their hard work could be rewarded, and they could all make millions–but they won’t, because of a lack of competence and judgement in their leadership. I have nothing to lose–I’m done with corporate wrestling, and I will never again have to occupy the same arena or even city with Vince Fucking Russo, but I still feel bad for everyone else who has labored long and hard in vain because of what he’s done to the company’s chances. I like you–I like Tenay, and West, and Mitchell, and Sahadi, and Ryder, and the talent, and the crew, and all the rest–even Penzer! And I don’t want you or any of them to take it personally when I verbally roast TNA every chance I get–but as far as I’m concerned, Jeff should have WAY known better than to hire that asshole, and Dixie, as clueless as she may be about wrestling, should have been more careful in whom she entrusted her father’s money, and more perceptive when it came to spotting imbeciles. I don’t want any of you to be harmed or affected because of their stupid decisions, but as I said, it’s now my life’s work to fuck with anything Russo has anything to do with.

I wish you all good luck–I’m sorry if anything I say or do causes you any problems, and I hope one day to be in charge of a wrestling promotion with the funds to hire all of you to work in it–but just so you know, I will fuck with any company Vince Russo is involved with until I draw my last breath, and if there IS an afterlife I will return to haunt his miserable ass. Either that, or I’ll will myself to live long enough to piss on his fucking tombstone. And hey–hatred is a helluva motivator!

JC

Here is the legal letter Cornette received from TNA Wrestling:

Response dated April 9, 2010 via Certified Mail:

Mr. Cornette:

This firm represents TNA Entertainment, LLC (“TNA”).

TNA has recently intercepted a shocking and appalling email communication (a copy of which is enclosed) which was sent from your email address to the attention of TNA’s talent coordinator, Terry Taylor at his TNA email address. Upon review of the content of said email, TNA was so concerned that they have turned the email over to this firm to take appropriate action in order to protect the safety and welfare of TNA’s staff and talent.

Your email reads in part: “I despise Vince Russo. I want Vince Russo to die. If I could figure out a way to murder him without going to prison, I would consider it the greatest accomplishment of my life…. I regularly wake up from dreams in which I am in the act of murdering him.”

The email goes on to say: “I have sworn to myself that I will willingly go to jail if I ever see him in person again, and he had better pray to his fictitious invisible man in the sky that that day never comes.”

It is our view that the foregoing statements constitute “terroristic threats” under virtually every jurisdiction in the country, including under the US Code (18 USC 875) and Kentucky State Law (KRS 508.080). Generally, under both Federal and State Law, a person will be guilty of having made terroristic threats if such person willfully threatens to commit a crime which would result in death or great bodily injury to the victim and demonstrates specific intent to communicate such threat to the victim or to a third party who the perpetrator believes will convey such threat to the intended victim. Your email satisfies all of the foregoing elements and it is irrelevant whether you intended to actually carry out such threat or not. Nonetheless, we must assume the worst. Indeed, the language of the email is so specific, unequivocal and unconditional that Vince Russo (a TNA employee) has understandably experienced extreme fear for himself and his family. TNA management shares his concern, not only for Vince, but for all of it’s employees, staff members and talent (some of whom were specifically named in your email as being targets of your anger).

Accordingly, be advised that we have taken action to notify all applicable Federal and State law enforcement agencies and have provided them with a copy of the email, together with your personal information, including your home address, social security number, and other pertinent information which would facilitate their efforts to investigate any violent acts taken against TNA employees, staff members, talent or any of their property. Any further threats to contact Vince Russo or any other TNA personnel (directly or indirectly) shall be viewed as acts in furtherance of such threats and shall be pursued and prosecuted accordingly.

On a related note, it is our understanding that you were recently employed by TNA as an independent contractor and talent and, as such, you had access to confidential/proprietary business information related to TNA (hereafter “Confidential Information”). Your email contained certain statements which discussed internal TNA management decisions and the circumstances surrounding your departure from TNA. Those matters constitute Confidential information. Accordingly, we are taking this opportunity to remind you that the Confidential Information is proprietary and is not to be revealed except as expressly permitted by TNA in writing. As a former talent of TNA, you continue to be bound by your legal obligations and duties to maintain the confidentiality of such Confidential Information in accordance with the terms of your various talent agreements. You cannot share Confidential Information with ANYONE (including current or former TNA talent) and TNA will vigorously enforce it’s rights in this regard.

Please be advised that this letter is written without prejudice to any rights, actions or claims otherwise available to TNA (or any of it’s employees, staff or talent) now or in the future.

Sincerely,
Guy S. Blake, Esq.
Davis Shapiro Lewit & Hayes, LLP
Beverly Hills, Ca.

[addy2hotty]

Note to Jim Cornette - trust no-one.

[CSL]

I could not possibly care less about what Jim Cornette has to say (again) about Vince Russo. Pretty bored of Cornette in general.

[Jeritron]

Jesus. I've always found Cornette funny and usually agree with a lot of his opinions, but I've always heard/noticed that he has some serious anger issues.
I think this is beyond that.

[McLegend]

I am kind of getting tired of Jim Cornette. The guy is kind of sounding like Bret Hart who he once criticized for complaning too much.

Obviously Vince Russo shouldn't have job, but Cornette is going to far... Just give it up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I find Cornette's rants hilarious at times. This is not one of them, though.

Not sure what the penalties might be.</font>

[erickman]

the problem with cornette is he does not play well with others, thats why he can not go back to the wwe.

[Swiss Ultimate]

To be fair, this had been a personal email from himself to a friend. I guess after the papers got sent to him he just said fuck it?

[AJHayes]

I guess Cornette and I have more than I thought in common. I wonder who else he loathes (Cole?)

[kareru]

that's a bit harsh

[redoneja]

I could not possibly care less about what Jim Cornette has to say (again) about Vince Russo. Pretty bored of Cornette in general.

Bingo. What's Cornette done in the last decade besides bitch about the product with no major contributions of his own. He's like the living embodiment of the IWC.

[Jordan]

Cornette is ANNOYING. All he does is scream when he has a camera on him, he's horrible. Sure he is a good indy booker but he takes wrestling WAY too seriously. I read some of his commentaries on his website, wow what a fucking mark. Most of his arguments revert back to territory days, he just can't get with the new era of wrestling.

[Fox]

I've always liked Cornette. Through his blogs and other pieces, it seems like he has a very good head for the business as it should be, not as it is. This e-mail reveals just how much he truly hates the "sports entertainment era" of professional wrestling.

I don't think we can really judge whether his statements about Russo are too harsh or not. Obviously Russo has done things to make Cornette feel this way about him. We can't have any idea what kind of things went on while they were working together in TNA.

I also feel that Cornette is completely right about what's happening with TNA. Dixie Carter clearly has no fucking clue what she's doing if she put back together the team of Russo, Hogan and Bischoff, when recent history shows that these three cannot be entrusted with the reigns of a wrestling company and be expected to book responsibly or intelligently. If she had any mind for the business she would have tried everything to get Paul Heyman or even former TNA employee Scott D'Amore on the book and completely nixed the idea of giving either of those three morons the power.

Unless something changes, TNA is doomed. The ratings are telling the story; they had their shot with the first two weeks, but they cannot compete with the WWE.

[Theo Dious]

a) Russo is a press whore. This is a laugh to him.
b) I like Cornette and some of his views, and I respect his outspokenness, but he really needs to learn where to draw the line. Either that or this is some kind of half-assed attempt to draw Russo-esque publicity towards ROH.

[Kane Knight]

Who doesn't want Russo dead?

:shifty:

[KYR]

"I literally burn whenever I think of him."

Really?

[FourFifty]

Who doesn't want Russo dead?

:shifty:

Judy Bagwell. Russo gave her more air time than anyone else would.

[screech]

Cornette's podcast from today on the situation:

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[The Gold Standard]

He was pissed lol

[KayfabeMan]

Cornette :y:

[Fat Aaron]

"I literally burn whenever I think of him."

Really?

That's some fantastic four shit there. Seriously though, wouldn't the world, or at the very least TNA, be much better if Cornette DID kill Russo? Not a big Cornette fan, but I like him way better than Russo.

[tjmidnight420]

That's some fantastic four shit there. Seriously though, wouldn't the world, or at the very least TNA, be much better if Cornette DID kill Russo? Not a big Cornette fan, but I like him way better than Russo.

If by some strange twist of fate the jury in the trial were all wrestling fans he'd probably get off. :D

[owenbrown]

Who doesn't want Russo dead?

:shifty:

TNARICK

[RGWhat316]

I had a few good laughs over that interview. Almost sounds as good as the Londrick shoot interview. Cornette is not a stalker.

[St. Jimmy]

If Cornette wanted Russo dead by now, he'd be dead. Simple at that folks - corny gets shit done.

[NoRoolz]

Cornette sounds ridiculous, proper sad cunt. I know I don't know the full extent of why he hates Russo so much but unless Russo ate his cat then this is ridiculous.

[KayfabeMan]

I take it no one is familiar with the inner workings of a wrestling promotion.

[NoRoolz]

I will say it because I am trying to quell the burning in my heart–I hate Vince Russo. I despise Vince Russo. I want Vince Russo to die. If I could figure out a way to murder him without going to prison, I would consider it the greatest accomplishment of my life.

I hate him for the money he’s cost me. I hate him for what he’s done to the business. I hate him for keeping TNA from being competitive to WWE. I hate him for the careers, even the lives he’s ruined with his shitty booking and the irreparable damage he’s done to every promotion he’s been involved with. I regularly wake up from dreams in which I am in the act of murdering him. I literally burn whenever I think of him. I have sworn to myself that I will willingly go to jail if I ever see him in person again, and he had better pray to his fictitious invisible man in the sky that that day never comes. I intend to make it my life’s work and mission to fuck with him and anything he ever has anything to do with in the wrestling business.

...I will fuck with any company Vince Russo is involved with until I draw my last breath, and if there IS an afterlife I will return to haunt his miserable ass. Either that, or I’ll will myself to live long enough to piss on his fucking tombstone. And hey–hatred is a helluva motivator!


Seriously, what the fuck?

[The Mackem]

not just for employing that useless twat, but for lying to me about the reasons for my firing (never mentioning Ed Ferrara’s name and acting like Russo had no part in it), and lying ABOUT me (letting some Russo stooge spread rumors that I was fired for acting unprofessionally toward him, then not putting her name on the retraction while knowing it wasn’t true.)

Wait a minute I must have missed this. I didn't realise this happened. I am aware of the Cornette/Ferrara history involving J.R but haven't heard of this. I also know the source of the Russo/Cornette animosity. Cornette is possibly too outspoken at times, it's not necessarily a bad thing but it limits his job opportunities. I think he has a lot to offer but he is more or less restricted to working with ROH and other indies now.

[Zeeboe]

I think Jim Cornette is entertaining as hell, BUT he honestly strikes be as the type who'd be a major asshole.

Infact, I think the business is full of assholes. I mean really.....you'd have to be an overgrown little boy to wanna be a wrestler, or even want to be in that business. Not disrespect intended, but think about it: Wrestling is no different then playing "make-believe".

[Zeeboe]

I agree with Jim about one thing for sure. Never trust a Christian.

[Aguakate]

Vince Russo is a bad-ass. He'd drop Cornette in a second.

...Cornette wants no part of Vic Venom.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol ur all judging cornette for a private letter he thought he sent to a friend.

[KayfabeMan]

I think he has a lot to offer but he is more or less restricted to working with ROH and other indies now.

What is sad about wrestling, is that he can definitely contribute more to these companies than he can to WWE or TNA - as those companies would NEVER let anyone with common sense have any of the control there.

Corny, Jim Mitchell, Heyman, etc. all come to mind as guys who could benefit any promotion - but when they hire you, then tie your hands behind your back and force you to watch as they do everything they would've done without you, then you're better off in spots where you can have more 'free reign', so to speak.

[tjmidnight420]

What is sad about wrestling, is that he can definitely contribute more to these companies than he can to WWE or TNA - as those companies would NEVER let anyone with common sense have any of the control there.

Corny, Jim Mitchell, Heyman, etc. all come to mind as guys who could benefit any promotion - but when they hire you, then tie your hands behind your back and force you to watch as they do everything they would've done without you, then you're better off in spots where you can have more 'free reign', so to speak.

Couldn't agree more.

[KayfabeMan]

I think Jim Cornette is entertaining as hell, BUT he honestly strikes be as the type who'd be a major asshole.

Infact, I think the business is full of assholes. I mean really.....you'd have to be an overgrown little boy to wanna be a wrestler, or even want to be in that business. Not disrespect intended, but think about it: Wrestling is no different then playing "make-believe".

All my dealings with him, and others that I've known dealing with him - he never came off as an asshole in any way. Passionate about the business & about helping others, and keeping things in a way that makes sense & will draw money.

You are correct about the business being full of assholes. And I mean FULL. A vast majority of the guys are just so fucking immature, selfish, and in reality, useless at anything else other than wrestling. They are there for no one but them & don't want to part with anything they have - even when it's for the good of others.

They also love to complain about every little thing, as if the job they do now is as tough as the wrestling business was 25-30 years ago, or more. Beyond ridiculous.

[NoRoolz]

you'd have to be an overgrown little boy to wanna be a wrestler, or even want to be in that business. Not disrespect intended, but think about it: Wrestling is no different then playing "make-believe".

lol what a twat.

1. It's still a sport, and an art, just because it's not 'real fighting'.
2. Are all actors, performers, entertainers 'overgrown little boys' for playing 'make-believe'.

You're on the internet posing as an evil clown. Don't you like create prank calls or something too?

[Zeeboe]

lol what a twat.

1. It's still a sport, and an art, just because it's not 'real fighting'.
2. Are all actors, performers, entertainers 'overgrown little boys' for playing 'make-believe'.

You're on the internet posing as an evil clown. Don't you like create prank calls or something too?

Yes. I am a man-child. I never claimed not to be.

:lol: Wrestling is not a sport. It's a fake sport. If it's a sport, how come no one keeps score? How come win/loss records are not kept up with? How come results never appear on the news? It has more in common with theater then a sport. I'm not typing that wrestling isn't dangerous, and that I have no respect for it. I do, but stunt work is an art too, and very dangerous, but hardly anyones notices or respects them, and their work is not consider a "sport". It's consider entertainment.

The difference between acting and wrestling is the actors are not always play-fighting, and the characters don't always resort to violence to solve their problems.

[NoRoolz]

Yes. I am a man-child. I never claimed not to be.

:lol: Wrestling is not a sport. It's a fake sport. If it's a sport, how come no one keeps score? How come win/loss records are not kept up with? How come results never appear on the news? It has more in common with theater then a sport.

The difference between acting and wrestling is the actors are not always play-fighting, and the characters don't always resort to violence to solve their problems.

Play-fighting lol jesus. The wrestlers do more than 'play-fight' anyway - you weird fuck.

I'm not gonna get into the age-old 'Wrestling is/isn't a sport' with you, because wrestling is unique and neither answer is really right, wrestling alone truly is 'sports entertainment'. Wrestling is covered on sports websites here in the UK though.

[NoRoolz]

OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.

[voncouch]

you'd have to be an overgrown little boy to wanna be a wrestler, or even want to be in that business. Not disrespect intended, but think about it: Wrestling is no different then playing "make-believe".

Out of curiosity, if your take on the wrestling business is the same tired criticism 2nd graders use, why would you even post on a wrestling message board?

As far as Corny goes, I love the guy. He's one of my favorites in the business. One of the few that not only have a true love and passion for it, but aren't afraid to call people out on their bullshit. He may be a bit hyperbolic at times with his frustration, but seeing as one of his heroes is George Carlin, you kind of have to just take his seething, unbridled, murderous hatred as his way of expressing himself.

I tell everyone I meet that I want Kanye West, Paris Hilton and Carlos Mencia shot in the head gangland style. Doesn't mean I plan on doing anything.

[kareru]

of course its easy to take it lightly when you are talking about kanye west, paris hilton ect ect
but cornette personally knows russo and not that he would kill russo it's still rather creepy

[tjmidnight420]

OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.

This. Wrestling is staged, not fake. There is a difference.

[Zeeboe]

voncouch - I post here and still sometimes watch wrestling because I am a man-child. I can proudly admit it, and realize you have to be a goofy and immature guy to actually wanna watch wrestling. I'm not knocking the business. I just see it what it is. Even in Bret Hart's book, in the very title, he calls it "the cartoon world of wrestling".

......Which news sites NoRoolz? And I really don't see what is weird about calling wrestling "play fighting". That's exactly what it is. They're a bunch of guys pretending to hurt each other, and going, "OW, OW!". Reminds me of my grade school days.

Seriously, have you read some of the stories in wrestler's books? These guys don't act like mature adults at all. They're overgrown little boys.

OK you edited your post with more bullshit so I will have to add a little.

Pro-Wrestling is a sport in it's own right, as well as in terms of it's a combination of sporting skills - martial arts, amateur wrestling, gymnastics, dance, bodybuilding.. could even loosely attach more. It's also a sport in terms of it has prestige, there is a kept 'win/loss record' to some extent, there are titles, there are 'aims' for wrestlers - their success doesn't get determined by TRYING TO WIN the match, but by how they perform, attitude etc (Typically, anyway).

It's only not a sport on the fact that results are pre-determined, the fact that punches don't 100% connect etc don't matter, and neither does the fact that there is drama involved, in depth storylines, promos and so on. They all just combine to make pro-wrestling unique and what it is, there's no way you can out and out say it's not a sport though.

lol Stuntmen.

If wrestling is a sport, then what stunt people in movies do is a sport too by your logic.

The wrestlers are not really competing unless you count the backstage drama. I'd say that is more like a sport....

[kareru]

wrestling is a sport

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

[BigDaddyCool]

I hate Cornette.

[TNA&USA#1]

Who cares if its a sport or not? Does the word sport have some superior meaning that would make wrestling better? No! So who fucking cares?

[The Jayman]

TNARICK

my thoughts exactly

[Zeeboe]

wrestling is a sport

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.


In regards of Jim Cornette - I have a different opinion on this now. If the cops knew half of the stuff I'd like to do to some people, I'm sure they'd want to arrest me. I've also typed some messed up stuff before on the internet. To the point many thought I was litreally insane. Women have actually stopped wanting to have anything to do with me because of the things they've seen me type when I was really mad or depressed.

However, I never have and never will do any of the stuff I'd love to do because I know it's illegal, and deep in my heart where the good little boy I once was exist somewhere in there, and knows what I'd love to do is truly wrong.

So forgive me please Jim. I gladly take back what I said. The wrestling world is full of assholes, and I think if you're not an asshole yourself once and a while, you're not going to make it very far and will just become another jobber. Nice guys finish last.

[NoRoolz]

realize you have to be a goofy and immature guy to actually wanna watch wrestling. I'm not knocking the business. I just see it what it is.

lol just cos you're a 'goofy and immature guy' doesn't mean everyone is? Granted, A LOT of wrestling fans are fucking weird. But you can't just say 'you have to be goofy and immature to watch wrestling - HEY I ADMIT IT' just cos it's true for you doesn't mean it applies to everyone. Sorry.

......Which news sites NoRoolz? And I really don't see what is weird about calling wrestling "play fighting". That's exactly what it is. They're a bunch of guys pretending to hurt each other, and going, "OW, OW!". Reminds me of my grade school days.

SkySports.com. And stop with the fucking play fighting man, do you not understand the different aspects of wrestling? Different styles, all the different types of moves. Really?

[Seriously, have you read some of the stories in wrestler's books? These guys don't act like mature adults at all. They're overgrown little boys.

Again you're tarring everyone with the same brush. Some may be as you say, 'overgrown little boys'. But not all of them, seriously man. Do you stereotype every type of person?

If wrestling is a sport, then what stunt people in movies do is a sport too by your logic.

Try reading 'my logic' again, and think how it'd apply to 'stunt people', I don't need to explain how stupid this statement is, figure it out yourself.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or serious tbh, I don't know enough about you. You prob are just trolling away, but still, I'll answer them almost like a 'Q&A' of some sort for anti-pro wrestling folk.

[Zeeboe]

I'm not trolling. I've always seen wrestling as nothing more then entertainment. A male soap opera, a form of theater, a circus act, a live action comic book, or cartoon, etc. I don't see how anyone who can read "spoilers" before a show can actually see it as a sport.

Back in the 1800's, all the wrestlers you see today from little people to giants would be earning their living working for a freak show/circus, which is not that much different then what WWE is.

Human emotions have never really changed. UFC, MMA, etc.....that's like modern day gladiator stuff. To Catch a Predator was like gladiator stuff too where they threw criminals to the lions. Not literally, but I think any smart person will catch my drift. Heck, a lot of other TV shows today are about human misery. Again, roman gladiator stuff. We humans have always found our entertainment in the misery of others. We feed off it.

WWE wrestling is really no different, only it's a modern day freak show. It's more like a circus then the gladiator stuff, because in both the circus and wrestling world, the entertainers are pretty much getting you to believe something that is not true. Heck, where do you think the term "Mark" comes from? It came from the days of the old circus. People in the business called people who believed all the nonsense they saw "marks".

Wrestling IS fake. I know that's a giant cliche, and always the first thing a non-wrestling fan will point out, but when it comes down to it, while the risks are very real, for the most part, those guys are not going out there trying to purposely hurt each other. They spend a lot of time, pain, and $ learning how NOT to hurt each other. If the wrestling we see on WWE TV and TNA TV was all real, I highly doubt many people would be wrestlers. At least in the MMA and UFC, there are rules, while in the world of wrestling, it's pretty much a free-for-all which some of the crazy matches they have.

Also, I'm not sure how many wrestling fans you talk to, but all my life, I've come across plenty both online and offline. Pretty much all of them were guys, and all of them were young. Very few were over the age of 30, and those that were, were rednecks. Literally. I also have known plenty of indy wrestlers, and many will tell you....most of those fans are pure redneck trash. It's not just something that goes on here in the south either. Up North, in ECW land, most of those fans were always really freakin' whacky. Now I don't know how some of the guys behave over in England, but I doubt it's much different. I recall when HBK beat the British Bulldog back in 97', the fans wre throwing trash in the ring, which I know is something that goes on everywhere, and that's another good point.....how classy can you be if you're throwing freakin' trash in the ring? Come on, man......

I realize wrestling has been accepted in pop culture before, and that it has casual viewers, but I bet you almost anything that most people see it as entertainment, and would NOT consider it a serious sport.

If wrestling is a sport, how come no one in Vegas gambles on matches? I'm sure some losers do, but it's not an official sanctioned gambling operation.

One website proves nothing. All the other thousand sports websites do not feature wrestling results does prove something. I'll let you figure it out.

[screech]

If wrestling is a sport, how come no one in Vegas gambles on matches? I'm sure some losers do, but it's not an official sanctioned gambling operation.

People do gamble on wrestling in Vegas.

[Kane Knight]

Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.

Pro Wrestling can be classified as a sport, though the use of the word has kind of fallen by the wayside.

Anyway, arguing over whether it's a sport is on part with whether it's fake or not. It's pointless, even by the standards of the internet.

[Jakob Synn]

I think Cornette just fucked himself over.

I mean I did enjoy some things he said, but with this he kind of went over the line. If he meant it or not is not what matters, the fact of the matter is he said it then posted it on the internet for the whole world to see. To me, he's fucked himself over in the industry but on the other hand a lot of people who know Cornette know he's crazy and just says shit he believes in, but also to get a reaction out of people.

I don't know what to think of it all. It's crazy

[KayfabeMan]

You can only fuck yourself over if you care about the fallout of your comments.

When you're in a position when, at this point, you care more about what you can accomplish in the business than how much you can make - you are doing fine for yourself.

[Zeeboe]

People do gamble on wrestling in Vegas.

Like I said, losers. Sad fuckin' losers. :lol: I've been to Vegas many times, and have yet to see any bets for wrestling out there, but I do not doubt people do that as funny as that is.

............Come to think of it.....hell, maybe that's something I can get into. I can just read the spoilers here, and there you go! I'll be like ol' Biff from Back to the Future II! :naughty:

[screech]

...I've been to Vegas many times, and have yet to see any bets for wrestling out there...

Vegas odds for WM: http://www.kocosports.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=33025&z=80

Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[DLVH84]

Pro Wrestling can be classified as a sport, though the use of the word has kind of fallen by the wayside.

Anyway, arguing over whether it's a sport is on part with whether it's fake or not. It's pointless, even by the standards of the internet.

It also depends on what country you're from. For example, if you're from Japan, pro wrestling is treated like a sport. Championship matches there are hugely important, they would even played the wrestlers' national anthems, and the winner of the titles would be given a championship ceremony, receiving several trophies and the belt.

[Zeeboe]

Vegas odds for WM: http://www.kocosports.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=33025&z=80

Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Wow, that's like....deep man. :eek:............I'm pretty sure I posted several times I could believe it happening.

It also depends on what country you're from. For example, if you're from Japan, pro wrestling is treated like a sport. Championship matches there are hugely important, they would even played the wrestlers' national anthems, and the winner of the titles would be given a championship ceremony, receiving several trophies and the belt.

The Japanese go all out for a lot of things, but I'm sure deep in their hearts, they know it's all entertainment too, and ALL countries have whackos who go insane over wrestling, and treat it like it's real, and I have no doubt the country of Japan has PLENTY of those kinds of guys too. But those people got $, and those promoters want it, so they'll go above and beyond the call of duty to get it.

[MrSpikeLee]

Lol god you all need to grow up
arguing over wrestling being staged or real or fake...

It's fake, scripted....


now GROW UP!!!!. and stay on topic.

Cornette is a fucking legend...

Vince Russo can burn in fucking hell
and I really wish I could kill him too.

If I had the chance I would...
maybe one day Vince will hang him self..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Russo is fucking trash.

[Kane Knight]

Russo is fucking trash.

Caps and punctuation. Dale, is it safe to say you are "tho theriuth rite nao?"

[kareru]

Lol god you all need to grow up
arguing over wrestling being staged or real or fake...

It's fake, scripted....


now GROW UP!!!!. and stay on topic.

Cornette is a fucking legend...

Vince Russo can burn in fucking hell
and I really wish I could kill him too.

If I had the chance I would...
maybe one day Vince will hang him self..

we were arguing weather it is a sport or not and it clearly is.

[MrSpikeLee]

we were arguing weather it is a sport or not and it clearly is.

That isn't what the subject of this thread
is about though.. So it's a pointless argument

[kareru]

That isn't what the subject of this thread
is about though.. So it's a pointless argument

this kind of thing happens a lot here, you'll get used to it.

[Zeeboe]

we were arguing weather it is a sport or not and it clearly is.

Weather? You mean "rather"?.......Ladies and gentlemen, a typical wrestling fan! Seriously, doesn't shock me you'd consider wrestling to be a real sport.

[kareru]

Weather? You mean "rather"?.......Ladies and gentlemen, a typical wrestling fan! Seriously, doesn't shock me you'd consider wrestling to be a real sport.

actually i meant 'Whether' rather than 'rather'

if you would kindly refer to my post where i actually stated the definition of sport, oh hell i'll just past it here

sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

just because you can't bet on it and there are no real winners and losers, does not make it any less of a sport.

anyway when was the last time you bet on Angling (fishing) aka the worlds most popular sport?

[KIRA]

Weather? You mean "rather"?.......Ladies and gentlemen, a typical wrestling fan! Seriously, doesn't shock me you'd consider wrestling to be a real sport.

I think he means whether as in whether or not its a sport

anyway shouldn't you be busy trying to smuggle an underage child across a state line somewhere?

[Zeeboe]

if you would kindly refer to my post where i actually stated the definition of sport, oh hell i'll just past it here

Pretty sure I already did that, kid.

Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.

anyway when was the last time you bet on Angling (fishing) aka the worlds most popular sport?

In fishing, there's actual competition. No one lets the other guy win, and scores are actually kept. I think I've covered that already before too.....

I have a feeling I'm going to be reposting things I already typed a lot. That's usually how it goes when debating with internet "rasslin'" fans. For years, I've been known for repeating myself, but that's because some people refuse to respond, and just ignore my posts because they know they are wrong.

just because you can't bet on it and there are no real winners and losers, does not make it any less of a sport.

:lol: Do I really need to say more? Thank you for proving my point though. I'm glad Vince Lombardi will never see that above comment.

[Kane Knight]

Seriously, you're letting Zeebers Creepers troll you over a spelling mistake?

[Zeeboe]

Seriously, you're letting Zeebers Creepers troll you over a spelling mistake?

I think you guys are officially making a bigger issue over that then me now.

[Kane Knight]

People don't bet on fishing?

You mean my underground gambling circle is all a sham?

[Kane Knight]

I think you guys are officially making a bigger issue over that then me now.

Personally, I don't care. I just can't imagine them being dumb enough to go for it.

[kareru]

Amateur wrestling is a sport, yes. The stuff we see in WWE and TNA however is sports entertainment.



right, a SPORT for the primary purpose of entertainment

[Zeeboe]

right, a SPORT for the primary purpose of entertainment

It's a pretend sport though.

[kareru]

It's a pretend sport though.

An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively

[Zeeboe]

An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively

How can it be a sport when both sides know the results? Kinda takes the "sport" out of it.

[kareru]

How can it be a sport when both sides know the results? Kinda takes the "sport" out of it.

once again you need to look up the definition 'sport'
it goes further than the football field and basketball court

[Zeeboe]

once again you need to look up the definition 'sport'
it goes further than the football field and basketball court

So because they're doing physical activities it makes it a legally sanctioned sport? Like I posted, if that is the case, what stunt people do should also be consider a sport.

The term "sports entertainment" is a fair & even term, which is why it's used. So let's just agree to disagree cause this can go to ten pages before dawn, & I think we just need to get back on topic.

[kareru]

So because they're doing physical activities it makes it a legally sanctioned sport? Like I posted, if that is the case, what stunt people do should also be consider a sport.

The term "sports entertainment" is a fair & even term, which is why it's used. So let's just agree to disagree cause this can go to ten pages before dawn, & I think we just need to get back on topic.

are stuntmen governed by a set of rules or customs?

[Zeeboe]

are stuntmen governed by a set of rules or customs?

Do you mean actual rules, or the pretend rules WWE sometimes has in their regular matches? Or do you mean the rules for cage matches, which is all real btw. :y: There's also the casket match rules too, the "Kiss my ass" matches, the Iron Man matches, the "your bitch becomes my sex slave for 30 days/nights" matches and a whole lot more.

Those are all real too btw. :yes:

[Kane Knight]

So because they're doing physical activities it makes it a legally sanctioned sport?

LOL. Legally sanctioned.

The term "sports entertainment" is a fair & even term, which is why it's used.

Actually, it's used because Vince wanted to distance himself from pro wrestling. Same reason the wrestlers are called "Superstars" and the fans are the "WWE Universe."

[screech]

Wow, that's like....deep man. :eek:............I'm pretty sure I posted several times I could believe it happening.

You claimed that you had been to Vegas several times and had never seen it. Just pointing out that it does happen.

[screech]

To the subject, though, I can honestly see this blowing over fairly soon. All that will be done [probably] is that the two are "ordered" to stay away from each other, which they're doing now so I can't see it being an issue.

The reason I say this is because Jim Cornette has a reputation (as many have said when commenting on the situation) for having a temper and letting that temper get the best of him.

[Zeeboe]

Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded. For the most part, the local news, the sports section in the newspapers, & ESPN, as well as other various sports networks do not show results. Infact, for many, wrestling is consider a joke in the real sports world. Wrestling has always bragged about not having an off-season, but that's because it's not a real sport. They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.

Some of you guys are starting to remind me of this guy -

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"IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!!!!"

.....Look at me. It's Saturday night, & I'm on the freakin' internet arguing with computer nerds rather pro wrestling is real or not.....what a life I lead. I'm going to go do something more productive. I'm gonna go watch TV.

[tjmidnight420]

Pretty sure I already did that, kid.

In fishing, there's actual competition. No one lets the other guy win, and scores are actually kept. I think I've covered that already before too.....

I have a feeling I'm going to be reposting things I already typed a lot. 1. That's usually how it goes when debating with internet "rasslin'" fans. For years, I've been known for repeating myself, but that's because some people refuse to respond, and just ignore my posts because they know they are wrong.

:lol: Do I really need to say more? 2. Thank you for proving my point though. I'm glad Vince Lombardi will never see that above comment.

1. If you don't like the way things go around here, feel free to delete your account. Nobody forced you to sign up here, and nobody's forcing you to stick around.

2. Your point isn't valid. As I stated before: Wrestling's staged. not fake. If it was fake it'd totally be pretend. Mick Foley going through the cell was very real. When it happened in the match with HHH it was even planned (staged). And just so you know, The reason he keeps referring you to the definition of sport, is because you're totally ignoring what he's trying to tell you, instead choosing to continue trying to prove him wrong without a leg to stand on. It's called "Sports Entertainment," not pretend fighting.

[tjmidnight420]

They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through

I could come up with countless points of evidence why that's wrong, but I'll leave that to everyone else that'll jump on that one. I'm simply gonna refer, once again, to Mick Foley.

[Zeeboe]

The pressure of actual competition can be very stressing, but the wrestlers would know little about that unless you're talking about backstage politics.

That Sports Entertaiment stuff is just a fancy phrase to make it seem more sport like, but any smart person knows wrestling is entertainment, and not an actual sport. You talk about me ignoring stuff....I've actually responded to every comment. You guys are the ones who keep ignoring my points.

I actually tried to end this nonsense, but you're the ones who keep it up. You clearly enjoy the debate, and that's okay, but these are opinions I've had for a long time now, and I doubt you'll change them. But if you wanna keep debating for the sake of it, I'm game.

[Skippord]

You are dumb

[screech]

You are dumb

[tjmidnight420]

You are dumb

[thecc]

DWEP

[Zeeboe]

You are dumb

You guys believe a bunch of grown men wearing tights and spandex pretending to hurt each other is a real sport, and I'm dumb? Coming from you fellas, that's a compliment.

Now does this mean you don't wanna argue anymore?

[tjmidnight420]

Why are you even still here? You yourself admitted you're a man-child, so go play with your toys and quit knocking wrestling for being a 'pretend sport.'

[Zeeboe]

Why are you even still here? You yourself admitted you're a man-child, so go play with your toys and quit knocking wrestling for being a 'pretend sport.'

lol. Only toy I play with is my penis, and I just got done, but thanks for the suggestion. I also was never knocking wrestling. I just see it for what it is.

[Kane Knight]

You guys believe a bunch of grown men wearing tights and spandex pretending to hurt each other is a real sport, and I'm dumb? Coming from you fellas, that's a compliment.

Now does this mean you don't wanna argue anymore?

Oh, Zeeboe, lying about Skippord's beliefs and running with it. You're adorable. It's good to see you're back in your stride.

[tjmidnight420]

I also was never knocking wrestling. I just see it for what it is.

So how is it you've managed to so totally kill the original point of this thread, and completely negate to refute my point entirely? When a boxer takes a dive, is that not still a sport? Ice skating is choreographed, does that make it pretend? When Brock went nuts on camera, did that make UFC sports entertainment? So what if these things happen in wrestling all the time. I never said "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!" I only stated that I, like you claim, see it for what it is. While it's not legit in the fact that the competition isn't entirely what it's made out to be, it still involves competition. Yes, it's purely for entertainment. Yes, it's staged from the opening video package all the way to the last segment. However, as I stated before, staged and fake are two entirely different things.

[NoRoolz]

Wrestling is not a sport. The matches are choreographed, & the outcome is predetermined. Due to the fact that the outcome is already decided before any match, it cannot be a sport. To most people, a sport means there is a legitimate winner/loser &/or competition, & pro wrestling is not about that. It's good vs. evil with larger than life characters.

No one keeps score. No win/loss records are recorded...They're not having to go through the stress other athletes go through, & for the most part, neither wrestler really wants to beat or hurt the other, therefore you can't call it a sport.


This whole statement, added to the fact that you pose as an evil-clown on a wrestling website, is what makes you 'dumb'. It's no compliment.

Matches generally aren't choreographed the whole way through. The outcome, beginning and sometimes a few high-spots are planned, generally that's it. 'SCORE' is kept, win/loss records ARE recorded, and in-ring performance determines your future, just like a performance on a football-pitch would, i.e - Keep doing well - you'll progress and be heavily featured. Perform badly - you might get dropped and be used in a lesser role.

No, no stress involved in pro-wrestling. Do you know the schedules pro-wrestlers have? Oblivious to the disturbing amounts of painkiller/drug addictions that wrestlers have? No, they don't want to hurt each-other. Sport is not defined on that.

I feel like you know all this anyway, I guess you get kicks from this online-heel thing. Obviously you do, as from the start I pretty much agreed with you saying pro-wrestling is sports entertainment, and I said it was completely unique, but still qualifies as a sport. HOWEVER, I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.

[tjmidnight420]

I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.

I highly doubt anyone, aside from himself, is taking him seriously. And he may actually be oblivious, he's starting to come off as slightly delusional.

[Zeeboe]

So how is it you've managed to so totally kill the original point of this thread, and completely negate to refute my point entirely? When a boxer takes a dive, is that not still a sport? Ice skating is choreographed, does that make it pretend? When Brock went nuts on camera, did that make UFC sports entertainment? So what if these things happen in wrestling all the time. I never said "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!" I only stated that I, like you claim, see it for what it is. While it's not legit in the fact that the competition isn't entirely what it's made out to be, it still involves competition. Yes, it's purely for entertainment. Yes, it's staged from the opening video package all the way to the last segment. However, as I stated before, staged and fake are two entirely different things.

I didn't start this nonsense. I made a comment about the thread's very topic, and you guys are the ones who got bent out of shape about it.

Also, you've dodged plenty of my points, whereas I have actually responded to yours. Boxing is intended to be a real sport despite guys taking dives, and I doubt that happens a lot. They're competing in ice skating, and yes, I think to some extent the UFC and MMA is sports entertainment when the guys act all crazy.

I highly doubt anyone, aside from himself, is taking him seriously. And he may actually be oblivious, he's starting to come off as slightly delusional.

:lol: What an ironic comment.

This whole statement, added to the fact that you pose as an evil-clown on a wrestling website, is what makes you 'dumb'. It's no compliment.

Matches generally aren't choreographed the whole way through. The outcome, beginning and sometimes a few high-spots are planned, generally that's it. 'SCORE' is kept, win/loss records ARE recorded, and in-ring performance determines your future, just like a performance on a football-pitch would, i.e - Keep doing well - you'll progress and be heavily featured. Perform badly - you might get dropped and be used in a lesser role.

No, no stress involved in pro-wrestling. Do you know the schedules pro-wrestlers have? Oblivious to the disturbing amounts of painkiller/drug addictions that wrestlers have? No, they don't want to hurt each-other. Sport is not defined on that.

I feel like you know all this anyway, I guess you get kicks from this online-heel thing. Obviously you do, as from the start I pretty much agreed with you saying pro-wrestling is sports entertainment, and I said it was completely unique, but still qualifies as a sport. HOWEVER, I still feel like I should respond just on the slim chance that someone has read your points and thought 'Well, I suppose that's true...'. Hugely unlikely, but stilllll.

I never said wrestling was not stressful. I just said that these guys don't have the media breathing down their backs all the time, nor do they have to worry about winning or losing for the most part.

Also, you guys are the ones who keep bringing up the evil clown thing. I'm not being in character. Even if I was, I could admit what I am, and what wrestling is. It's you guys who are the ones that have trouble admitting to what is.


One part of me feels like I should "let the baby have his bottle". If you guys want to believe wrestling is a real sport, who am I to try and take that way? Millions of children believe in Santa Claus too.

[tjmidnight420]

you've dodged plenty of my points.

Like what, bro? Your whole argument is that wrestling is fake. Pretty flimsy. If you are by some chance trying, try harder. Give it some thought. Hell go spend some quality time with your keyboard and maybe something worth quoting will come to you.

Also, it's to be noted that I didn't even way in on your part in killing this thread until the 4th or 5th time you posted the same argument. As for now, I'm saving the respected posters around here the trouble. (KK does it because he wholly enjoys making an ass out of stupid people.)

As for your edit: I hadn't said anything about you being a clown. Also, you're still saying the same fucking thing, only in a more childish manner.

[Zeeboe]

Like what, bro? Your whole argument is that wrestling is fake. Pretty flimsy. If you are by some chance trying, try harder. Give it some thought. Hell go spend some quality time with your keyboard and maybe something worth quoting will come to you.

Also, it's to be noted that I didn't even way in on your part in killing this thread until the 4th or 5th time you posted the same argument. As for now, I'm saving the respected posters around here the trouble. (KK does it because he wholly enjoys making an ass out of stupid people.)

:lol: Hey bud, you're nose is a little brown.

But that's very nice of you. I'm sure all the cool kids will give you some REP POINTS for saving them soooooo much trouble, and letting them play whatever the current popular online nerd game is, and not have to come on here, and verbally abuse my crazy ass all thanks to you. What a hero you are. :) Now don't cum in your pants, we don't know for sure if you're gonna get good rep points, but I bet there's a chance! Yay!!!!!! REP POINTS!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!! I bet one day, if you play your cards right, you'll be just as popular as Kane Knight!

Speaking of the man, yeah, that Kane Knight sure is cool, man. :cool: Yet Kane Knight never answered a question he did not want to answer on another thread. :lol: He's been doing that for a while now actually. Kane Knight may impress little young newbie gullible kid marks like you who don't know any better, but he doesn't impress me. I've had a front row ticket to his show for going on ten years now, and I know his game very well. Too well actually. He's not that hard to debunk.

I seriously would not look to a grown man who's whole life is an internet message board to be your hero. I know it makes it seem like because he does it, that it makes it okay, and that one can have a decent life just being a popular computer nerd, but I'd be willing to bet just about anything that Kane Knight cries himself to sleep every night.

.......Present Company Excepted of course, Kane Knight. :cool: Don't you just hate it when fuckers talk about you like you're not even there?


Anyhow, getting back to the topic.....oh wait, that's right...this isn't the topic. Aw well. I figured I'd be repeating myself some, but before I do that....tj....whatever your name is, would you agree to answer a series of questions? All about this new topic. You're not gonna be like your hero are you, and avoid the ones you don't like, correct?

[tjmidnight420]

Shoot bud, and yes my name is TJ. Not even gonna get into what it's short for. First off though, read around the fucking forums, moron. KK and I don't exactly get along. This is my 247th post. I've already had a disagreement with him, but I respect him as a poster. I have no problem telling him when the insane shit he says is funny, or when it's stupid. Secondly: the man is nowhere close to my hero. I, like you, have been coming to this site and forum over ten years. I remember the KKKwotes if that makes that statement believable. I never said his theories couldn't be debunked, but it'd take someone a whole lot smarter than you to pull it off.

[Zeeboe]

Shoot bud, and yes my name is TJ. Not even gonna get into what it's short for. First off though, read around the fucking forums, moron. KK and I don't exactly get along. This is my 247th post. I've already had a disagreement with him, but I respect him as a poster. I have no problem telling him when the insane shit he says is funny, or when it's stupid. Secondly: the man is nowhere close to my hero. I, like you, have been coming to this site and forum over ten years. I remember the KKKwotes if that makes that statement believable. I never said his theories couldn't be debunked, but it'd take someone a whole lot smarter than you to pull it off.

Perhaps you should take your own advice, & "read the fucking forums".

Anyhow, we talked about the win/loss records. In almost every other sport, the audience is told what the win/loss record is for both competitors. How come they do not do the same in pro wrestling? Why is it different?

By the way - I don't plan to spend the day doing this, so don't expect instant responses.

[tjmidnight420]

Perhaps you should take your own advice, & "read the fucking forums".

Anyhow, we talked about the win/loss records. In almost every other sport, the audience is told what the win/loss record is for both competitors. How come they do not do the same in pro wrestling? Why is it different?

By the way - I don't plan to spend the day doing this, so don't expect instant responses.

First of all, don't make yourself feel important thinking I'm sitting here waiting on you to reply. I have a dual monitor setup, and I believe in tabbed browsing. I'm actually doing quite alot including taking care of my two children. One of the tabs on my browser happens to be open to one of my favorite sites: TPDub. The wrestling forum more specifically. Every time you bump this shit to the top, I see it.

Second part: what the hell are you referring to? I should read around the forums? Again, don't even try to validate your life by thinking I'm waiting on a response from you. I couldn't care less if your mom poisons your breakfast.

Finally: The win-loss records aren't announced because, for the 19th time, wrestling is staged. It really doesn't matter who is 163- 0 unless it's part of the gimmick. It's about the build. The story that's being told. How it looks on paper doesn't matter.

[Kane Knight]

Wrestling's not a sport. Zeeboe has trolled TPWW since before most of you knew about it, making it worse that you guys are letting him get to you. So unless you guys are itching to get worked up to the point of Godwinning a thread or just spamming to up your post count, there's no real point here. Not that I advocate spam.

[Kane Knight]

Wrestling is also fake and gay. Cope, folks.

[tjmidnight420]

Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...

[Zeeboe]

Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...

Can't pin it on me. I just made one small comment, and you guys are the ones who got bent out of shape. You could have ignored it, or started a new thread.

[Verbose Minch]

I just said that these guys don't have the media breathing down their backs all the time

wat

[Savio]

Cornette is a sad strange little man.

[thecc]

Who gives a shit. This shouldn't have gone 3 pages

[Kane Knight]

Honestly I'm curious as to why this shit hasn't been closed by now. It was a decent thread...

No it wasn't.