the great comic book clash, issue 2: shot through the heart, and you're to blame

[mitchables]

wow, does anyone else have sand in their underpants? that would probably be the remnants of the destructive sandman, having surged from behind to crash all over and smother clayface with 12 votes to 6.

moving on to two gents of a more heroic ilk now. though worlds apart, these two suave vigilantes have a lot in common, having both gotten better after getting sick with a touch of being dead, both having known the love of a beautiful woman, and both of them, underneath their shiny bastion-for-truth-and-justice exterior, have oh-so-many little cracks through which they slip from time to time. this might just be a result of having brought a bow to a super-powered gunfight, though.

round two: hawkeye (clint barton; marvel) vs green arrow (oliver queen; dc)

http://thefaust.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hawkeye_marvel_comics_01.jpg vs http://www.geekshow.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/GreenArrow.jpg

line 'em up boys... and take your shots.

[BigDaddyCool]

Bullseye :shifty:

[The Destroyer]

Have to side with Clint in this one.

[Lock Jaw]

I definitely like Green Arrow way more as a character.

Hawkeye would probably win in a fight though. His extensive other non-bow and arrow training would give him the edge. Green Arrow has had other training as well, but really, he never uses it.

Though I can see Green Arrow pulling out a win due to his over-aggressive nature.

My vote goes to Green Arrow.

[KIRA]

Going with Hawkeye as Lock Jaw said he has extensive training in other areas I can see him employing these after the two come out too evenly matched in archery

[Miotch]

Green Arrow is also rich beyond all belief.

[Downunder]

Green Arrow - dunno who that other guy is.

Hell I hardly know the Green Arrow, but I prefer green over purple

[.44 Magdalene]

http://acomicbookblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ronin.jpg

Gotta give it up to Clint Barton.

[Inadequacy]

I don't think I've ever really liked Hawkeye, and I've hated him for all of Dark Reign. I sorta loved it when Spiderman called him out for not being able to handle not having a mansion and a butler etc.

[LuigiD]

Hmmm very in the middle with this one...both characters are very bad ass. I am leaning more towards Hawkeye probably because I know more about him..ill wait a bit more and see what I decide.

[Jeritron]

Apparently any Superhero Super-Team roster requires an archer.

[parkmania]

I don't think I've ever really liked Hawkeye, and I've hated him for all of Dark Reign. I sorta loved it when Spiderman called him out for not being able to handle not having a mansion and a butler etc.

You do realize that Dark Reign Hawkeye was actually Bullseye, right?

[Inadequacy]

I was talking about Clint Barton

[Fignuts]

Gonna give it up to Hawkeye. I think his hand to hand combat training with Captain America puts him over GA.

[Rammsteinmad]

Hawkeye. Still unsure whether these threads are based on who you prefer or who you think would win a fight, but I'd go with Hawkeye for either anyway.

[Jeritron]

For me I really view them as equal characters. I know they have their own titles, but I've never really read those. Mostly I just associate them as second tier mainstays in the Avengers and JLA respectively. They pretty much operate similarly.

I prefer The Avengers to JLA a bit, so it really comes down to that

[mitchables]

i've always been a dc boy at heart. it won't stop me voting for marvel characters, but in this case, i've had a greater amount of exposure to green arrow - not just in the comics, but in jlu and even his silver-age inspired incarnation in brave and the bold - and probably have a greater affection for him as a character overall. plus, because he is closely associated with one of my all-time favourite super-heroes, hal jordan, i made a point to read a lot of the classic stuff from the seventies where hal and ollie teamed up and dealt with relevant (for the time) social issues. it was groundbreaking stuff, for its day. plus i love their dynamic. i am not letting that influence me here though since it's not fair to let ollie ride the coattails of hal's whole other level of awesomeness. but ollie's a cool character who isn't as one dimensional as he appears. i loved his episodes on jlu.

don't get me wrong, i enjoy the hawkeye character, and i liked his existential complex post-being wiped out by wanda and all, and i like him in the ronin persona, but i just haven't read as much with him in it to make me care about him on the level i care about ollie when i read the books.

but, from an actual fighting standpoint, it's a much harder contest. barton's superior documented hand-to-hand training with cap definitely ups his chances, especially since they're probably even at the archery game (i'll come back to this though). at the same time, it would be naive to assume that ollie, having fought closely alongside batman - one of the world's best fighters - for as long as he has without having picked up a few tricks of his own. ollie has trained with the jla just as barton has trained with the avengers. so, let's, for the sake of argument, assume that ollie received at least partial training from bruce. this is paraphrasing a quote from another thread but: yeah, barton would probably beat him, but it would take him a long time.

back to the archery thing, as i promised. i feel like something that's been glossed over is that okay, yeah, barton and queen (lol) are probably pretty much on par with each other as far as being marksmen, but ollie has something barton doesn't that seems kind of ridiculous when you first think about it but actually aren't: his novelty arrows. that shit is useful. barton fires an arrow at ollie. ollie dodges. ollie fires an arrow at barton. barton dodges but ohhhh what a net just exploded from the arrowhead and fuck's barton's shit up. or he blasts him in the face with one o' them boxing glove arrows he seems to carry around.

i am now seriously typing this sentence like 25 minutes after i finished the last sentence because i went to wikipedia to actually check if barton ever used novelty arrows and got caught up wikipedia surfing between comic book articles. ugh. my life was never this laughable before the internet.

[BigDaddyCool]

Seriously, where does Bullseye stand up to these two?

[Fignuts]

Hawkeye has novelty arrows too. They just aren't as silly looking.

[Kane Knight]

Both heroes are about the same, except the only version of GA I've even been remotely big on is the Smallville version. I followed Avengers more, but even then, not as much as a lot of other titles, so it's not quite nostalgia. Just, never felt Green Arrow.

[Inadequacy]

not just in the comics, but in jlu and even his silver-age inspired incarnation in brave and the bold - and probably have a greater affection for him as a character overall.

The Green Arrow episodes of JLU were stellar.