Think Bret Leaves United States Champion?

[Next Big Thing]

I don't know why considering it's WWE, but I feel like this is going to be a good send off for Bret. What if he goes out and with some help makes Miz tap to the Sharpshooter and becomes the United States champ and retires with the belt.

I think retiring the U.S. championship makes the belt situation less of a clusterfuck and gives more meaning to the IC. I also feel like WWE may be restoring the tag division with the Hart Dynasty as unified champs and a main eventer like Jericho involved in the program. Plus we have the Colons reunited and a shit ton of second generation kids who apparently will be paired based on the fact that their daddies all knew each other.

[Swiss Ultimate]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102628

[Ermaximus]

No because of this:

By Ryan Clark on Tuesday, May 11th, 2010 at 11:22 AM EST

– On June 12th, WWE will be holding a RAW brand house show at the Roanoke Civic Center in Roanoke, Virginia. The Civic Center has sent out the following card…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. Sheamus
* The Viper vs. the Rated R Superstar: Randy Orton vs. Edge
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. Mark Henry
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; John Morrison; R Truth; Evan Bourne, William Regal; Eve; Maryse; Gail Kim; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

– The website for the Roanoke Civic Center has the following matches advertised, for the same show…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. The Big Show
* Viper vs. Celtic Warrior: Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. The Miz
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; Cody Rhodes; Kofi Kingston; Evan Bourne; Mark Henry; Chavo Guerrero; William Regal; Chris Masters; Eve; Maryse; Kelly Kelly; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

Unless he wins it, it becomes vacated or he gets stripped of it later, and they do a tournament for it at OtL? Regardless of this, it means Kofi wins the IC Title tonight at the SD tapings.

[Afterlife]

Why would retiring Brett Hart be the equivalent of retiring the US title?

[Next Big Thing]

Why would retiring Brett Hart be the equivalent of retiring the US title?

Let him leave as champ and take the belt with him. Leave him as the last champ in his honor.

[Next Big Thing]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102628

I thought about that, but that's more about Vince screwing him Montreal style... you're more tenured and the man though so if you think it should be closed no complaints here.

[Corndad]

I find it Ironic if they allow Bret to leave with a Belt. Isn't that the whole reason for Montreal in the first place? He didn't want him leavin with a Belt. I realize too different situations and two different belts but still kinda ironic to me.

[Afterlife]

Let him leave as champ and take the belt with him. Leave him as the last champ in his honor.

Yes, that's very clear. But...why? Titles get vacated and put up for grabs our tounramented all the time.

[Droford]

Bret would be a Grand Slam Champ by way of the US title instead of the European Title

[Next Big Thing]

Titles have also been retired. All I'm saying is the tag titles are finally unified and seem to be getting exposure for the first time in years.

WWE has all these damn belts and some of them aren't even defended at major pay per views. Why not clear some room by retiring the U.S. belt, thus making the IC belt the feature mid card title on Smackdown and let the tag team belts be featured on Raw.

Letting Bret win the belt in Canada on his way out after he lost the belt in such a fucked up way on his way out the last time he was in WWE would be a nice send off and the cheap irony seems right up WWE's alley... these are the same people that had Cena go over with duct tape.

If they can let the cruiserweight belt die on Hornswoggle, I think they can let the U.S. belt rest with Bret.

[Afterlife]

Titles have also been retired. All I'm saying is the tag titles are finally unified and seem to be getting exposure for the first time in years.

WWE has all these damn belts and some of them aren't even defended at major pay per views. Why not clear some room by retiring the U.S. belt, thus making the IC belt the feature mid card title on Smackdown and let the tag team belts be featured on Raw.

How are they "finally" unified? They've been unified for quite some time.

And why do so many people sit on sticks over the titles? Each show has a #1 title. Each show has a #2 title. Each show has a ladies/nobody cares title. The tag division is universally battled. Why is this something to cry about?

[Ermaximus]

Titles have also been retired. All I'm saying is the tag titles are finally unified and seem to be getting exposure for the first time in years.

WWE has all these damn belts and some of them aren't even defended at major pay per views. Why not clear some room by retiring the U.S. belt, thus making the IC belt the feature mid card title on Smackdown and let the tag team belts be featured on Raw.

Letting Bret win the belt in Canada on his way out after he lost the belt in such a fucked up way on his way out the last time he was in WWE would be a nice send off and the cheap irony seems right up WWE's alley... these are the same people that had Cena go over with duct tape.

If they can let the cruiserweight belt die on Hornswoggle, I think they can let the U.S. belt rest with Bret.

Because showcasing ONLY the Women's Title on Raw and ONLY the Cruiserweight Title on Smackdown did wonders for both shows.:shifty:

[Afterlife]

Letting Bret win the belt in Canada on his way out after he lost the belt in such a fucked up way on his way out the last time he was in WWE would be a nice send off and the cheap irony seems right up WWE's alley... these are the same people that had Cena go over with duct tape.

If they can let the cruiserweight belt die on Hornswoggle, I think they can let the U.S. belt rest with Bret.

And if the CW title was the equivalent of the IC or US titles, that comparison would be spot on.

[XCaliber]

No because of this:

By Ryan Clark on Tuesday, May 11th, 2010 at 11:22 AM EST

– On June 12th, WWE will be holding a RAW brand house show at the Roanoke Civic Center in Roanoke, Virginia. The Civic Center has sent out the following card…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. Sheamus
* The Viper vs. the Rated R Superstar: Randy Orton vs. Edge
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. Mark Henry
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; John Morrison; R Truth; Evan Bourne, William Regal; Eve; Maryse; Gail Kim; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

– The website for the Roanoke Civic Center has the following matches advertised, for the same show…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. The Big Show
* Viper vs. Celtic Warrior: Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. The Miz
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; Cody Rhodes; Kofi Kingston; Evan Bourne; Mark Henry; Chavo Guerrero; William Regal; Chris Masters; Eve; Maryse; Kelly Kelly; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

Unless he wins it, it becomes vacated or he gets stripped of it later, and they do a tournament for it at OtL? Regardless of this, it means Kofi wins the IC Title tonight at the SD tapings.

Cards are subject to change and besides Christian isn't even on RAW anymore unless there's a trade made of some sort. Think Bret will give Miz the rub cuz knowing Bret he would pull a Lance Storm and have the belt changed to the Canadian Championship. That would more than likely make him come across as a heel though so even if he does by off chance win it will be vacated shortly thereafter.

[Sovereigntywillpr]

you mean the saskatoon(or was it Sascachuwan) International Heavyweight Championship.

[Jordan]

I don't think that this is going to happen, Bret's last match was at Wrestlemania, please don't change that.

[Nicky Fives]

I say he wins it via shenanigans, immediately forfeits it and sets up a tournament before saying his goodbyes to 'The WWE Universe'

[Sovereigntywillpr]

it wouldbe amazing if teddy was given' a chance,huge pop in toronto.

Man I wish they teamed up DH with (name edited out) before he hung himself.

[south776]

It seems as though they are gonna pull some kind of swerve where he hands his title shot to Christian because he is from there. It could be a big momentum swing for Christian if its done right and they start to showcase the title a little more.

The US title was probably the most meaningful title during the 2002-2005 time frame. They actually used it to build guys up to main event on SD and people cared about the title. Whether you like Cena or not (and I can do without him) the US Title helped him to get that needed exposure and build. He made it meaningful. Benoit was great with the title too.

[Afterlife]

What?

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, I also don't see Bret doing the match. The whole Christian thing could be a posibilty I guess, but again highly doubtful. I'd rather see him feuding with Swagger myself. Either way, Raw next week in Canada should be pretty epic. :y:

Oh, and if Teddy did debut and win the belt, and I would mark out like a little bitch. But again, not going to happen.

[glanville6]

I agree with Christian feuding with Swagger- as long as the belt is still in Swagger's hands. And a Christian to RAW trade could have been done- if Vickie didn't resign on RAW and Edge wanted a piece of Christian on RAW. But Edge has his hands tied with Orton,so whatever.

Miz will get counted out and there will not be any physicality between Miz and the Hit Man. Imagine the heat he'll get for bailing on a match with Bret in Canada. Thats my prediction, anyway.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

you mean the saskatoon(or was it Sascachuwan) International Heavyweight Championship.

Spell it right

[Kane Knight]

No because of this:

By Ryan Clark on Tuesday, May 11th, 2010 at 11:22 AM EST

– On June 12th, WWE will be holding a RAW brand house show at the Roanoke Civic Center in Roanoke, Virginia. The Civic Center has sent out the following card…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. Sheamus
* The Viper vs. the Rated R Superstar: Randy Orton vs. Edge
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. Mark Henry
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; John Morrison; R Truth; Evan Bourne, William Regal; Eve; Maryse; Gail Kim; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

– The website for the Roanoke Civic Center has the following matches advertised, for the same show…

* Main Event for the WWE Championship: John Cena vs. The Big Show
* Viper vs. Celtic Warrior: Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
* United States Championship Match: Christian vs. The Miz
* Also Scheduled to Appear: Ted DiBiase Jr; Cody Rhodes; Kofi Kingston; Evan Bourne; Mark Henry; Chavo Guerrero; William Regal; Chris Masters; Eve; Maryse; Kelly Kelly; Alicia Fox; the Bella Twins & Many More!

Unless he wins it, it becomes vacated or he gets stripped of it later, and they do a tournament for it at OtL? Regardless of this, it means Kofi wins the IC Title tonight at the SD tapings.

Remember all those times people were sure Cena was gonna lose based on house show cards?

Yeah....

[Mr. Nerfect]

House show cards mean absolute shit. But, to be honest, I could see Bret Hart winning the US Title next week. It's not exactly the World Title, and there were apparent mumblings about putting that on Bret at WrestleMania. This obviously wouldn't be a return to the ring for Bret, but he'd win the title ala Vince McMahon winning the WWE Title, and then vacate it.

Sometimes you'll see angles mirrored on each brand. I'm trying to think of examples, but the most recent one (although not the most glaring) was the feuds for the World Titles at WrestleMania. It was only very small, but they both played up injuries to the face challengers, and had the "when you get in the ring with me, bad things happen" theme to them. With the IC Title being vacated, the idea of the US Title also being vacated to "restart" the mid-card divisions, is not entirely unlikely.

On the flipside, The Miz retaining the US Title against Bret Hart would be EPIC for him. I'll be honest and say that I could see this going either way.

[The MAC]

IF MIZ WINS WE RIOT.. :rant:

seriously though, Bret is gonna win it. He has spoken to vince about it, he has creative control in his contract and most of all... Its Canada :shifty:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What if Bret Hart brings out Bryan Danielson?

[Xero]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/f487268d.jpg
No.

[Ermaximus]

Remember all those times people were sure Cena was gonna lose based on house show cards?

Yeah....

I was more puzzled at the fact that both of those cards had Christian on them more so than anything.

[Ermaximus]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/f487268d.jpg
No.

Hey, I own that shirt.

[The Jayman]

fella.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/f487268d.jpg
No.

Is it really outside the realm of possibility? Come on Xero, let's get serious.

[Xero]

I don't think WWE is that stupid, no.

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually thought about the Bryan Danielson thing. It would work as a "passing the torch" kind of thing. Toronto is one of the smarkier cities out there, so they might buy into it. But I think people are more interested in Bret Hart than Danielson. Also, I don't know how they will put over Bryan Danielson as being part of "The Hart Family." Maybe Bret will reveal a distant blood relation, and trick Miz into changing the match?

I think it's more likely that some authority figure (Vickie Guerrero, Vince McMahon, etc.) will ban The Hart Dynasty from ringside, as a way of building drama for the match, but Bryan Danielson shows up (due to his past connection with The Miz), and helps Bret win the title. The following week it is vacated, and Bret puts over Danielson as "The Best in the World" or whatever, and we then get something to crown a new champion. A tournament would be lovely, but I could see them doing a Battle Royal.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don't think WWE is that stupid, no.

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

I dunno, they're pretty dumb

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also, there had to be a reason for them burying him for 3 months straight, other than spite. Right?...right? :(

[MoFo]

What if Bret Hart brings out Bryan Danielson?


This is obviously going to happen now Bryan has been voted off NxT.

[Dirk Ziggler]

This clearly is not going to happen. I don't even know why its a discussion.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

This is obviously going to happen now Bryan has been voted off NxT.

Yeah because NxT isn't kayfabed at all.

[tjmidnight420]

No.

[XCaliber]

With Danielsson elmination from NXT I couldn't help but foresee him taking the belt from Miz but I can't see Bret wanting him to do so over his crew but I'm sure he respects him a great deal.

[St. Jimmy]

http://deb.aholic.us/albums/friends/Schlitz.sized.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

What I hope they do (but they won't):

* Bret Hart goes over The Miz with some assistance from Bryan Danielson, due to the history between The Miz and Danielson.

* Hart forfeits the US Title the following week, and says that it was great to be the champion again, but this title means too much to be around the waist of a guy who shouldn't be in a ring anymore. He says it is a stepping stone to greatness, and he wants to announce a tournament involving all the guys on RAW that have not had an opportunity to be the US Champion. For those wondering, that currently includes Batista, Chris Jericho, David Hart Smith, Evan Bourne, Ezekiel Jackson, The Great Khali, John Morrison, Mark Henry, Primo, R-Truth, Randy Orton, Santino Marella, Sheamus, Ted DiBiase, Triple H, Tyson Kidd, Vladimir Kozlov, William Regal, Yoshi Tatsu and Zack Ryder. That's 20 guys, but if you remove the inactive ones (Triple H, The Great Khali and Ezekiel Jackson), you are left with 17. And lets also keep out Mark Henry, who can be selling injuries from his stuff with Batista.

-R-Truth defeats Ted DiBiase
-Chris Jericho defeats David Hart Smith
-Yoshi Tatsu defeats Vladimir Kozlov
-Tyson Kidd defeats Primo
-Randy Orton defeats Zack Ryder
-William Regal defeats Santino Marella
-John Morrison defeats Batista (an upset to really put over JoMo before Batista leaves)
-Evan Bourne defeats Sheamus (John Cena helps out to continue his tension with Sheamus)

So in the quarter-finals:

-Chris Jericho defeats R-Truth
-Tyson Kidd defeats Yoshi Tatsu
-Randy Orton defeats William Regal
-John Morrison defeats Evan Bourne

Semis:

-Chris Jericho defeats Tyson Kidd
-John Morrison defeats Randy Orton in an upset (perhaps with inadvertent heel help)

And we get the grand finals:

* John Morrison becomes the new WWE United States Champion by pinning Chris Jericho, setting up a feud with him over the US Title. The Miz can also get involved, which can sucker back in R-Truth for some tag team matches, and also involve The Hart Dynasty, if they keep their tension with Chris Jericho going. Bryan Danielson then also gets introduced to the RAW brand, and wants to be US Champion, as well.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm guessing Miz will retain with some outside "assistance" from Jericho. Then perhaps we could see Smith and Kidd agreeing that "Uncle Bret" was screwed again, this time out of the US title, and that one of them should get the next US title shot against Miz. Only they can't agree on who should have it, which leads to arguing and nearly fisticuffs before the guest host or whoever sets up a match between the two later in the show to determine a #1 contender...winner goes on to face Miz for the US title at the next RAW or PPV and chases the title for a bit before finally taking it from Miz.

I dunno. Just my 2 cents on things.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think The Hart Dynasty will or should come to blows over this. They are trying (very sloppily) to put together some more lower-level teams for The Dynasty to chew through, and it didn't seemed like they cared much about who got the shot on RAW. Not in a "the title doesn't matter" way, but in a "hey, if my buddy is the one getting the shot -- I can live with it" way.

One (or both) of them going after the title is fine with me, though. :y:

[BobBitchen]

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[Xero]

Facebook needs a fucking "Dislike" button.

[Dirk Ziggler]

why the fuck is this being discussed still? This is clearly the dumbest fucking idea I have heard on here in awhile.

[Xero]

why the fuck is this being discussed still? This is clearly the dumbest fucking idea I have heard on here in awhile.

I am so glad you specified "in awhile".

[St. Jimmy]

why the fuck is this being discussed still? This is clearly the dumbest fucking idea I have heard on here in the last fifteen minutes.

[St. Jimmy]

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[Next Big Thing]

Well damn...

[The MAC]

CALLED IT