Why Lesnar would beat Fedor (Video proof)

[BillyBonez]

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Nuff said. People often argue with me that Lesnar wouldnt beat Fedor and I always say that he is the best in the world and that is why Fedor ducked him by signing with Strikeforce instead of UFC. This video is proof.

[CSL]

Thank you for posting that concrete evidence that Brock would beat Fedor. I no longer want to see them fight.

[CSL]

Yeah, I think Fedor is a bit overrated and I think he essentially ducked the UFC. But that video is gay.

[Reavant]

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Nuff said. People often argue with me that Lesnar wouldnt beat Fedor and I always say that he is the best in the world and that is why Fedor ducked him by signing with Strikeforce instead of UFC. This video is proof.

you and the guy who made the video are both retarded. Fedor didnt duck UFC. He has always had a contract with the promotion M-1 Global.

Did you ever notice how whenever he fought on a card since PRIDE, that every event was that promotion + M1 Global???

UFC does not want to share anything with another promotion. They built their company all on their own and feel they shouldnt have to share anything they do to be able to put fights on with a single fighter.

Had UFC gave in and let the copromotion happen, Fedor would fight in the UFC.

Get your facts strait before you come in here making threads of complete garbage.

[BillyBonez]

Did I hurt ur feelings? Because obviously u have nothing to say with the evidence in this video because u cant say anything about all the FACTS in it. You just talk about me and other stuff. Nice yo.

[BigDaddyCool]

lol at BillyBonez's trolling.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Reav, I think you took the bait.

[Reavant]

i guess i did

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, but now you know BillyBonez is a troll.

[Reavant]

Did I hurt ur feelings? Because obviously u have nothing to say with the evidence in this video because u cant say anything about all the FACTS in it. You just talk about me and other stuff. Nice yo.

What facts are in the video? There is no direct common opponents between the two.

Mir is slow and has no takedown defense. Hes good on the ground yet obviously scared to go to it with noguiera. however he does hit hard, and nog is not that great on the feet. Hes OK but not great.

Lesnar took mir down because he didnt want to trade with him... in the second fight lesnar backed up and covered up when mir attacked him. mir is known for some unbelievable ground game, but look at the guys hes beaten on the ground.

Lesnar is a great big wrestler, but fedor had beaten two other outstanding wrestlers. Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman each at about the age that lesnar is now... Each man was an ncaa champ and each were on steroids making them all the more dangerous. Oh actually I believe coleman was an Olympian.

Crocop just fell off I couldnt tell you what happened to him really, but even when he went back to japan after the ufc he was still getting fucked up.

Rogers vs fedor... he got rolled attempting a submission and didnt get KOed and the ended up KOing him... yup thats good evidence

[Reavant]

im really bored guys

[BigDaddyCool]

Well just so long as you know he is a troll and isn't really interested in a real argument.

[Reavant]

yea i know... i have a fight this weekend so im just sitting around between workouts

[IC Champion]

Who are you fighting and and where?

And Fedor is a beast who steals souls, that is just a fact, like BDC consumes chickens whole.

[Nark Order]

lol, former Sam's club employee. Some of the stuff in that video is fucking ridiculous. They said "former Sam's club employee" like three times to try to discredit Rogers and it's retardulous.

You know... Brad Pitt once had a job dressing up like a chicken and handing out coupons.

[alvarado52]

i used to think Fedor would have a good chance, but after watching Brett Rogers work him to, and on, the ground, that ended.

If you let Brett Rogers do that to you, Lesnar (who is much bigger, stronger, and more skilled on the ground) would kill him. Lesnar wouldnt let him get back up.

[Nark Order]

I'm not sold on Lesnar steamrolling him. I don't think Fedor is an easy fight for anybody. I do think, however, that the fight wouldn't be as one sided towards Fedor as MMA fan boys make it sound. Lesnar would have a hell of a chance IMO. Obviously Fedor has the experiences and more MMA knowledge, but that doesn't ALWAYS guarentee a win.

[alvarado52]

...but the maker of the video is obviously a Pride hater. Nog is a legend, and very skilled, Crocop just seems to have lost the desire to fight, but both are VERY good fighters.

Lets not forget Nog fought Mir with a staph infection, and clearly wasnt himself.

[Nark Order]

Unfortunately Nog didn't have such an excuse against Valasquez. :(

[IC Champion]

i used to think Fedor would have a good chance, but after watching Brett Rogers work him to, and on, the ground, that ended.

If you let Brett Rogers do that to you, Lesnar (who is much bigger, stronger, and more skilled on the ground) would kill him. Lesnar wouldnt let him get back up.

Brock would also probably get submitted as his striking isn't as good as Rogers so he wouldn't pose as much of a threat for ground and pound, not to mention Fedor ate some big shots, and was rather unphased. I think you are underestimating how good Fedor is on the ground, and from his back. The only reason Rogers was able to get on top was because Fedor attemped a submission, kimura or arm bar, dont remember what.

[alvarado52]

I'm not sold on Lesnar steamrolling him. I don't think Fedor is an easy fight for anybody. I do think, however, that the fight wouldn't be as one sided towards Fedor as MMA fan boys make it sound. Lesnar would have a hell of a chance IMO. Obviously Fedor has the experiences and more MMA knowledge, but that doesn't ALWAYS guarentee a win.

I just really have no faith in Fedor's ground game

[IC Champion]

You realize Fedors biggest strength is his ground game?

[IC Champion]

The guy submitted Naoya Ogawa, a former world judo champion FFS.

[alvarado52]

Brock would also probably get submitted as his striking isn't as good as Rogers so he wouldn't pose as much of a threat for ground and pound, not to mention Fedor ate some big shots, and was rather unphased. I think you are underestimating how good Fedor is on the ground, and from his back. The only reason Rogers was able to get on top was because Fedor attemped a submission, kimura or arm bar, dont remember what.

What? No freakin' way dude. Brett Rogers winds up from his strikes, and postures high, which is much more susceptible to catching a submission that Lesnar. Brock generated a shit load of power in a small amount of velocity, he doesnt wind back to strike, so i dont see how his short chops can open him up to many submissions.

[IC Champion]

And Mark Coleman, Twice, and Kevin Randleman, all three times by arm bar, all in very quick fashion. They both had world class ground games in their prime.

[alvarado52]

The guy submitted Naoya Ogawa, a former world judo champion FFS.

Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.

[alvarado52]

And Mark Coleman, Twice, and Kevin Randleman, all three times by arm bar, all in very quick fashion. They both had world class ground games in their prime.

once again, discussing the ground striking, short strikes are less likely to be caught in a submission, and the Hammer and Randlemen strike in similar fashion to Rogers.

You dont seem to take into account the size and strength of Brock, and how a 300lb body on you can limit your movement and cardio.

[IC Champion]

Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.

And that helps how when someone is bending or arm or knee in the opposite direction? Remember when Lesnar went to the ground with Mir in the first fight, if Lesnar isn't able to get control on the ground, he'll get submitted. He doesn't even like to engage standing up, as he avoided any real exchanges with Mir. You can't always ground and pound your way to victory, ask Tito.

[IC Champion]

Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.

Really my point was you said Fedor had no ground game, and I was proving that he does.

[alvarado52]

And that helps how when someone is bending or arm or knee in the opposite direction? Remember when Lesnar went to the ground with Mir in the first fight, if Lesnar isn't able to get control on the ground, he'll get submitted. He doesn't even like to engage standing up, as he avoided any real exchanges with Mir. You can't always ground and pound your way to victory, ask Tito.

Tito also was the champ for 3 freakin' years, so apparently, it can be pretty damn successful. Some people make HOF careers off of it (like Coleman). Even in the freakin' Arona fight, Fedor was taken down by someone who wasnt really a true heavyweight.

[alvarado52]

maybe Fedor is THAT freakin' good that he decides he shouldnt use his judo, because he wants to give his opponent a chance?

[IC Champion]

Tito also was the champ for 3 freakin' years, so apparently, it can be pretty damn successful. Some people make HOF careers off of it (like Coleman). Even in the freakin' Arona fight, Fedor was taken down by someone who wasnt really a true heavyweight.

That was like 10 years ago, in his 4th fight. Yeah, and Tito hasn't been relevant in years, and probably won't be again, because he doesn't have a stand up game, or even really a submission game, he was one dimentional, and couldn't even beat Forrest Griffen. MMA has evolved since Tito was champ.

[IC Champion]

maybe Fedor is THAT freakin' good that he decides he shouldnt use his judo, because he wants to give his opponent a chance?

Fedor is good enough to do that, where as Brock would be nothing if he didn't use his wrestling.

[alvarado52]

This debate can go on and on, but until Fedor decides to fight people who arent either passed their prime, undersized, or second rate fighters, he will always be criticized and speculated upon. Sure he had his Pride days, but the HW division in pride wasnt that fantastic, and dont even mention Tim Sylvia who is a joke.

[IC Champion]

But Sylvia was good enough to become HW champ

[alvarado52]

But Sylvia was good enough to become HW champ

which shows how weak the division was at that time.

[alvarado52]

there is no way you can deny the fact that all the elite heavyweights are in the UFC, Fedor had the chance to go to the UFC and compete, prove people wrong, secure his legacy, whatever he was going for.

And chose not to.

[alvarado52]

nobody would give a rats ass about Michael Jordan if he competed in the D league. Sure, they are considered 'professional' athletes, but there is no real competition there.

[IC Champion]

there is no way you can deny the fact that all the elite heavyweights are in the UFC, Fedor had the chance to go to the UFC and compete, prove people wrong, secure his legacy, whatever he was going for.

And chose not to.

He didn't chose not to, M1 chose not to.

[alvarado52]

he IS M1, gimme a break. They'd do whatever Fedor said.

[IC Champion]

you and the guy who made the video are both retarded. Fedor didnt duck UFC. He has always had a contract with the promotion M-1 Global.

Did you ever notice how whenever he fought on a card since PRIDE, that every event was that promotion + M1 Global???

UFC does not want to share anything with another promotion. They built their company all on their own and feel they shouldnt have to share anything they do to be able to put fights on with a single fighter.

Had UFC gave in and let the copromotion happen, Fedor would fight in the UFC.

Get your facts strait before you come in here making threads of complete garbage.

[alvarado52]

Fedor is part owner of M1, he is no real 'contract'. Get THAT straight. That being said, as i stated earlier, he IS M1, the face of it, part owner, and the only real notable personality. He could have slapped their logo on his pants, or tattoo'd it on his damn head, but because the UFC didnt need Fedor as much as Fedor needs the UFC, they didnt budge on the co-promotion shit.

ANYWAY, rather than debate the possibility of a fighter winning in a division he will always run from, im gonna go take my final now.

[IC Champion]

Fedor obviously didn't need the UFC, as he got the deal he wanted elsewhere, and probably got better money. You can't blame him for that.

[Reavant]

Fedor is part owner of M1, he is no real 'contract'. Get THAT straight. That being said, as i stated earlier, he IS M1, the face of it, part owner, and the only real notable personality. He could have slapped their logo on his pants, or tattoo'd it on his damn head, but because the UFC didnt need Fedor as much as Fedor needs the UFC, they didnt budge on the co-promotion shit.

ANYWAY, rather than debate the possibility of a fighter winning in a division he will always run from, im gonna go take my final now.

Holy shit alvarado your a moron. He is not M-1. M-1 owns him. His MANAGER owns part of M1 and he does what they say. Seriously fucking read any of the hundreds of articles on any mma site on him. He has no control over what he does, his manager and m1 does. Get YOUR fucking facts strait.

[Reavant]

His management is fucking shady. They want to leach on already existing organizations and not have to lose any money on production costs but split the money made on viewership and ticket sales. Thats why it didnt matter how good a contract ufc gave fedor because that chunk of change is nothing compared to what M1 would get through co promotion.

[Nark Order]

So, can any truth be confirmed about his manager somehow being tied to the Russian Mafia or has that just been a fun myth for a couple of years? Would be kind of funny and eye opening to find that out.

[Reavant]

I dont doubt that lesnar could beat fedor, either but brock would NOT be the favorite on it. Hes a one dementional fighter with a great top game. he can take you down and control you and put you in a position to land big shots. His striking is horrible and im willing to bet hes fucked if you can get him on his back.

Fedor has some of the quickest hands in the heavyweight division which is saying something considering he doesnt use crisp technique but rather throws all power shots.

Fedor is also one of the most agile heavyweights there is. Brock locked up a bigger, stiffer frank mir. It would be a little different with a man as agile as fedor.

[Nark Order]

I mean, there has to be some other force involved in this M1 situation IMO. It's just not logical to think the one of the fastest growing sports forces in the entire world, the UFC, would co-promote with M1 to get their hands on one fighter. Either something is driving m1 to be so stubborn or they are fucking delusional.

[Reavant]

So, can any truth be confirmed about his manager somehow being tied to the Russian Mafia or has that just been a fun myth for a couple of years? Would be kind of funny and eye opening to find that out.

Well they pretty much run most of that country and hes one of the country's famous and prized possessions. So it seems like they could at least have connections.

[Reavant]

Not to mention... have you seen videos of where fedor trains and lives? His brother?

They do not live lavishly at all. You would think he were a blue collar worker. If thats his choice then fine but it begs the question where is all that money he is making going?

[IC Champion]

Fucking dirty Russians, never trust a slav.

[MoFo]

Brock may not even beat Carwin yet, never mind Fedor.

[alvarado52]

Holy shit alvarado your a moron. He is not M-1. M-1 owns him. His MANAGER owns part of M1 and he does what they say. Seriously fucking read any of the hundreds of articles on any mma site on him. He has no control over what he does, his manager and m1 does. Get YOUR fucking facts strait.

nobody owns anyone. If Fedor said to jump, they'd ask how high. You gotta be fucking your brain with a spoon to think that they could control Fedor's career. Fedors is part owner of M1, but that doesnt mean he is contractually obligated to NEVER FIGHT IN ANY OTHER PROMOTION.

[IC Champion]

Well by that logic, why would Fedor join a competing promotion?

[Reavant]

nobody owns anyone. If Fedor said to jump, they'd ask how high. You gotta be fucking your brain with a spoon to think that they could control Fedor's career. Fedors is part owner of M1, but that doesnt mean he is contractually obligated to NEVER FIGHT IN ANY OTHER PROMOTION.

Ok see I say something that is fact and you go with the opposite. Again... Russia isnt america and his management OWNS HIM. His management own and run m1 and he is their marquee fighter.

[Reavant]

Well by that logic, why would Fedor join a competing promotion?

hes not using logic...

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, I think Fedor is a bit overrated and I think he essentially ducked the UFC. But that video is gay.

what he said.

[Jura]

Russians are shady.

[BillyBonez]

Brock may not even beat Carwin yet, never mind Fedor.

Are u SERIOUS?

Brock is gonna demolish Carwin.

Carwin is gonna be a bigger challenge that the others but Brock will still absolutely demolish his dumbass!

[Nark Order]

Based on what? This is getting a little old here BillyBonez. Based on past fights, Carwin has a hell of a chance of beating Lesnar. Carwin has wonderful stand up defense, can take a punch, has a hand like a cannon, and none of his fights have ever gotten out of the first round. Not to mention that Lesnar's chin hasn't been truly tested by a guy with such immense knock out power.

I'm not saying Carwin will win but you're basically a huge fucking moron if you're trying to make this out like it's a one sided fight.

[BigDaddyCool]

BROCK LESNAR IS UNBEATABLE NARC. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN EVER STOP HIM BECAUSE OF HE IS A BEAST.

[Nark Order]

How dare you rule out the possibility of a Chuck Norris victory, BDC!!!!

[BigDaddyCool]

GOD DAMNIT. Norris probably could be Lesnar.