Do you really hate John Cena?

[Swiss Ultimate]

Or do just hate how he's used?
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I honestly just hate how he's pushed. To help you decide I'm posting the following cheesey tribute video compiled of moments from Wrestlemania 23 where Cena and Michaels had a pretty great match.

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Worst soundtrack ever?
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Without question, it's just the way he's used. He genuinely cares about the product and seems like an awesome guy to hang out with. When he does "fired up" promos he's gold, and he's been involved in some really good matches.

My only annoyance with him is the way he's booked. And I understand why it's done, and I can't fault WWE for doing it, because he's the face of the company and draws the money. But personally, it annoys me.</font>

[St. Jimmy]

I wholesale dislike him.

[Favre4Ever]

I hated how he is used. However, it has gone on so long that I have gradually come to hate him personally. He has even stated on multiple occasions that "What you see is what you get" and that his in-ring persona is "not much different than how he acts in real life".

If that's really the case, I think I hate him on an entirely different level.

[Chavo Classic]

I liked when he broke through with his heel white-rapper persona. Otherwise, I like him as much as any man could like a cancerous growth of his favourite testicle.

[RiX1024]

I liked him when he was that heel Thug Life gimmick, until he turned face i resented the guy.

[Gerard]

Boring as fuck, he went from having a moderately entertaining gimmick to stereotypical "all american babyface crowd arselicker". His promos really get on my nerves, starts off talking ends up shouting..every..single..fucking..time. :mad:

[CSL]

John Cena is the man. I mean, I wish he'd work on his basics a bit, tighten up some of his offence. But the man.

[CSL]

His promos really get on my nerves, starts off talking ends up shouting..every..single..fucking..time. :mad:

Yeah. That guy that used to say 'Finally' at the beginning and 'If Ya Smelllllll....' at the end of every..single...one of his promos used to really wind me up because he did the same thing all the time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I really don't even hate how he's used. He's marketed as the ultimate good guy superhero for kids to look up to. It's not my thing, but I know it's not supposed to be.

[The Franchise]

Definitely the way he is used. Cena is talented and has had plenty of good matches since becoming super man. His match against Umaga at RR 2007 and agianst HBK on RAW in England were two 2007 MOTYC. His feud with Edge in 2006 was great and I really enjoyed his work leading into Mania 24. There's other good stuff in there as well but there's been some really long, boring periods mixed in there, especially his first title reign that has left a sour taste in most people's mouths when it comes to Cena.

His promos are far below his capacity (going by what we saw in 2003) and that is what bugs me. I'm hoping his eventual heel turn will allow him to really "let loose" on the mic.

[Gerard]

Yeah. That guy that used to say 'Finally' at the beginning and 'If Ya Smelllllll....' at the end of every..single...one of his promos used to really wind me up because he did the same thing all the time.

More of a pair of catchphrases than some idiot going red faced stomping about the place screeching into a mic. The rock had a style for his promos which was entertaining and invited crowd participation, hardly the case with cena.

[Nicky Fives]

I'm sure he's a nice person in real life, but every time he is on my television or computer screen, I die a little inside.... I imagine most of it is due how he is being booked/used, but some of it is his sub-par ring performances (IMO) and crappy promo-cutting (I'M JOHN CENA AND MUST YELL DURING MY PROMOS!!!!)

[CSL]

More of a pair of catchphrases than some idiot going red faced stomping about the place screeching into a mic. The rock had a style for his promos which was entertaining and invited crowd participation, hardly the case with cena.

So you're saying you need catchphrases and crowd participation for a promo to be good?

[The Franchise]

IMA DO LIKE YALL DO IN SAINT LOO, DA CHAMP IS HURR

[KIRA]

Hate how hes presented but but hes geared toward kids so its fine.

John Cena the man actually seems like an awesome person though,plus he says what we see on TV is closer to how he is in life which I'm inclined to believe and its harder to hate the guy honestly after seeing him posing with fans who hate his guts. Those shirts though those have to go those are just weak.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Can't stand anything about Cena.

[Jeritron]

Definitely the way he is used. Cena is talented and has had plenty of good matches since becoming super man. His match against Umaga at RR 2007 and agianst HBK on RAW in England were two 2007 MOTYC. His feud with Edge in 2006 was great and I really enjoyed his work leading into Mania 24. There's other good stuff in there as well but there's been some really long, boring periods mixed in there, especially his first title reign that has left a sour taste in most people's mouths when it comes to Cena.

His promos are far below his capacity (going by what we saw in 2003) and that is what bugs me. I'm hoping his eventual heel turn will allow him to really "let loose" on the mic.

Bingo. I think John Cena has a ton of talent, and has done some great things. He seems like a great dude, and he's obviously a workhorse for that company.
I've enjoyed some of what he's done, and disliked some of what he's done.
I can seperate my gripes with booking from my gripes with talent.
I too think he has a ton of untapped potential, and if WWE wants to let it happen his best work could be ahead of him.

[jskinnyg]

<font color=goldenrod>Without question, it's just the way he's used. He genuinely cares about the product and seems like an awesome guy to hang out with. When he does "fired up" promos he's gold, and he's been involved in some really good matches.

My only annoyance with him is the way he's booked. And I understand why it's done, and I can't fault WWE for doing it, because he's the face of the company and draws the money. But personally, it annoys me.</font>

My exact thought Big Vito... I just have trouble with the 5 move wrestlers... But his passion, drive, love for the business are second to none and he's pretty bad ass on the mic... But yeah, I hate the character... But I have always hated faces...

[Gerard]

So you're saying you need catchphrases and crowd participation for a promo to be good?

I love how that assumption got pulled out of nothing.

Some wrestlers make it part of a promo and it suits their style well, others don't but are still able to do a good promo. If anything the catchphrases just open up more opportunies for merchandising if they catch on.

[DLVH84]

YES!!! HE SUCKS!!! HE STOLE CHONO'S MOVE!!!

[CSL]

It was a question, not an assumption.

[Gerard]

It was a question, not an assumption.

Meh. :shifty:

[DrCrawford]

he's awesome, but his gimmick sucks. he's great on the mic, and has the look. its a shame he has to be a superhero gangster.

[RGWhat316]

Mainly just the way he is on tv. He genuinely seems to have a passion about the business and isnt just there to collect a paycheck. He also seems like he would be a cool guy to hang out with outside of WWE, but in the ring, I cant stand him one bit. The Superman is just old and stale.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I hate how he's used.

But it's business and it's wise.

What I'd like to see is that for him to change back to his old chaingang rappin self like overnight, with no explanation, like he just got out of a time machine...

That'd be hilarious and vintage.. Like multi personalities.. I'd love it! It'd be like Mick Foley!

Call me crazy, call me delusional, call me a real fan.

[Stickman]

He seems like he'd be a cool guy but the whole marine and thug thing with a very bland moveset just bores me to tears.

[BigCrippyZ]

I just hate the whole "Superman" gimmick. It's so childish and silly that I have a hard time believing that I would've enjoyed it as a kid, although I was always pretty mature and logical even when I was young. I think he's actually not terrible on the mic and there have definitely been worse workers on the roster throughout the years. I just hate the whole "I'm always going to do my best, never quit, so I'll never really loose..." bullshit promos where he slowly looses the ability to control the volume of his voice.

[XCaliber]

Moreso the way he is used but ever since he's turned face his promos are highly lacking as well as ability to dish out a vast array of moves he just to meh right now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Hate how he's being over-pushed which has lead to him not even bothering to improve anything that is currently wrong with him in terms of wrestling ability and promos.

He can do great promos based on the recent Batista feud and his past with the rap character but ever since his "superman" push and move to PG, he rarely shows any emotion or improvement in his promo skills. Same for his wrestling skills (especially with submissions) since even HBK got upset with his lack of selling ability during Wrestlemania 23.

[The Pope]

I'm pretty sure I hate him

[YoungFlyFlashy]

I do not hate him. This is a business, and I understand the business decisions and choices they are making to continue putting asses in the seats and keeping the merchandise out of the warehouse.

[Tyler Killer]

I hate all you fucking smarks talking about wrestling being a "business." You fuckers have no clue what goes on behind closed doors, so stop acting like you know.

[D Mac]

I hate all you fucking smarks talking about wrestling being a "business." You fuckers have no clue what goes on behind closed doors, so stop acting like you know.

You know you just fucked up right?

[Kane Knight]

Cena seems (and that's the operating word) like a genuinely decent individual. He's a workhorse and fine with being the face of WWE. He even seems to take criticism in stride.

Cena's character is blah. There have been a couple points where I'd probably say I hated his character, but right now it's just....Well, among other things, it's almost not there. He's kind of...Generic babyface plus a couple catchphrases.

I think he could be aces, heel or face. He's a solid wrestler, got charisma, got "the look," and so on. But right now, the character's just kind of some template deal. And I doubt even that's his fault.

i think the main reason Cena gets so much heat from the IWC is that he's the poster child for everything that's "wrong" in wrestling. He's PG. He's a perpetual face (Because turning someone heel always fixes things. Always). He's spent a decent amount of time sucking up to the fans (And anyone who doesn't treat you like shit is bad). He's wrestled a progressively safer style. Even his move names have dropped the attitude (except the FU, which got an Attitude Adjustment).

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Tyler Killer, you're the new bitch on the block, welcome to HELL.

BTW..

THANKS FOR TAKING MY SPOT

SORRY ABOUT THE SMELL

[Kane Knight]

You know you just fucked up right?

You know he's just someone's sock with a gimmick bitching about smarks, right?

[Tyler Killer]

Tyler Killer, you're the new bitch on the block, welcome to HELL.

BTW..

THANKS FOR TAKING MY SPOT

SORRY ABOUT THE SMELL


You think I give a shit what these "people" think? I'm kind of like Vince McMahon; I don't give a shit about who these people are, what the hell they think, and what the hell they want. The only difference is, I don't make money off the dumb pricks.

You should be ashamed of yourself for stepping down and sucking the Smarks balls.

[CSL]

lol who is this guy?

[CSL]

You know he's just someone's sock with a gimmick bitching about smarks, right?

Oh.

[dronepool]

I hate the way they make him hog the spotlight, but I'm sure he isn't a dick out of the ring/outside.

[Tyler Killer]

Fucking queers and their "words." Speak fucking ENGLISH when describing someone. What the fuck is a sock? Never mind, you will probably link me to Urban Dictionary or some dumb shit like that. Fucking queers.

[CSL]

You've never heard the word sock before?

[Tyler Killer]

Never. I don't speak Fag.

[CSL]

In that case, don't you have really cold feet?

[Tyler Killer]

Not used to describe someone you retard.

[CSL]

And just how do you know that Kane Knight doesn't think you are literally a wooly garment intended to keeps toes warm in the grip of everday life?

[Tyler Killer]

Because I'm not a retard?

[CSL]

Now are you sure? Because I have it on good authority that you are at least 1/16th spasticated.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

No, you're just a spiteful punk bitch who needs to be beaten bloody!

[Tyler Killer]

No, you're just a spiteful punk bitch who needs to be beaten bloody!

You have no right to talk to me sack sucker.

[Tyler Killer]

Now are you sure? Because I have it on good authority that you are at least 1/16th spasticated.

Your mistaken, Period.

[CSL]

My name is not period, Comma.

[CSL]

Why did you kill Tyler anyway?

[Tyler Killer]

None of your business.

[CSL]

You know, I feel like we're growing apart Killer of Tyler. You'd have told me anything at one point in our lives.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

None of your business.


WOW.. nerd anyone?

[Tyler Killer]

You'd have told me anything at one point in our lives.

That doesn't even make sense idiot.

[Tyler Killer]

WOW.. nerd anyone?

What did I tell you sack sucker?

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I get it.

Open your eyes, sunshine.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

You told me that you respect my wisdom and bow down to my every need.

Now get on all fours like a real bitch and express your sins.

[CSL]

That doesn't even make sense idiot.

Do you need me to spell the words phonetically, maybe an audio recording? Break things down to their prime factors maybe, explain what the words mean then come back and give it another shot?

[Tyler Killer]

Do you need me to spell the words phonetically, maybe an audio recording? Break things down to their prime factors maybe, explain what the words mean then come back and give it another shot?

Take the dick out of your hand, and type proper words. That will be all :foc:

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Do you need me to spell the words phonetically, maybe an audio recording? Break things down to their prime factors maybe, explain what the words mean then come back and give it another shot?

I wouldn't mind that actually.

It's your call.

[Tyler Killer]

You told me that you respect my wisdom and bow down to my every need.

You need to get the spunk out of your eyes, because I am 100% certain I never said that. Now get on your knees and continue sucking the sack.

[CSL]

Take the dick out of your hand, and type proper words. That will be all :foc:

I will not, I can type and hold. How about you tell me which words you aren't understanding and we'll try moving on from there?

[Tyler Killer]

Read your quote from post 58 and tell me how that makes any sense.

[CSL]

At one point. In our lives. You would have told me anything. Because we were so close and in love. Comprende?

[Tyler Killer]

At one point. In our lives. You would have told me anything. Because we were so close and in love. Comprende?


Very good kid. Do you want a sticker? Maybe a baseball?

[CSL]

Oh come on, at least try.

[Tyler Killer]

Baseball it is, Congratulations. Be sure to wear your helmet before you play, wouldn't want you to lose the brains you do got.

[CSL]

I don't even know you anymore.

[KYR]

I think John Cena is great.

[Tyler Killer]

I think John Cena is great.

This :y:

[KYR]

I don't really.

It was merely my attempt at not having another thread closed because you guys can't seem to behave yourselves.

[KYR]

I appreciate what John Cena does, I don't hate him, but I don't think he's great.

[Tyler Killer]

Oh here we go, another sheep in the herd.

[KYR]

I don't know how you reached that conclusion.

Aren't I entitled to prefer some wrestlers, their individual styles, entertainment value and ring ability over others?

[Tyler Killer]

I'm waiting to see you type the phrase "3 moves of death."

[Juan]

I don't know how you reached that conclusion.

Aren't I entitled to prefer some wrestlers, their individual styles, entertainment value and ring ability over others?

No. If you don't like John Cena, you're a smark.

[KYR]

God. It's no wonder so many threads get closed.

You can't have a decent discussion with anyone.

[KYR]

I feel for you Juan having to mod the wrestling forum and dealing with this.

[Juan]

God. It's no wonder so many threads get closed.

You can't have a decent discussion with anyone.

That is why I barely post here anymore. I tried to control the quality of this place, but it just seemed to bring out more trolls

[Tyler Killer]

I'm stating facts, people dislike Cena because it is the "cool" and "Smark" thing to do. If Hogan was wrestling in this time, these retards would treat him the same way.

[KYR]

Take this thread for example (I mean, I know it'll be closed shortly we all know it's heading that way) this Tyler Killer reminds me of Eric Cartman in the Tourettes episode.

TK desperately wants to tell us that he touches his cousin's weiner while hurling personal abuse at everyone.

[Juan]

At least TK is a one trick pony and just calls people smarks. HBPunk is the worst imo.

[KYR]

I thought they were interchangeable.

[Tyler Killer]

Tell me I'm wrong in calling them that. You can't because it is true.

[KYR]

I agree that yes certainly some people treat him that way because it is seen to be the 'cool' thing to do.

But by generalising and including everyone in this forum who doesn't agree with you is not only counter-productive but adds nothing to the discussion. It merely serves to antagonise.

[Tyler Killer]

90% of the people on here, I guarantee you are the ones who think it is cool.

[Juan]

So are you hoping to change people's minds when you call them smarks for not liking John Cena?

[KYR]

I think you're wrong.

It would probably be more like 50% (which is a balanced view).

The remaining 40% of your estimation would be from people who take exception to your attacks and jump on the band wagon to try and get you to stop.

[KYR]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Let them have it and they'll let you have yours.

[Juan]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Let them have it and they'll let you have yours.

That is impossible. His sole purpose for signing up here was for this exact purpose. Our only hope is for him to continue trolling so he can get banned.

[Lux]

honestly, at this point, I just don't care enough to like him or hate him.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know how you reached that conclusion.

Aren't I entitled to prefer some wrestlers, their individual styles, entertainment value and ring ability over others?

I can tell you're new to the IWC.

[muffalufagus]

i hate him.