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Swiss Ultimate
06-10-2010, 03:41 PM
A while ago I was watching the Orton/Cena match and actually thinking to myself how it would have been better if there had been blood.
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Wow, even a genius like me is capable of truly monumental stupidity sometimes.
Regardless of whether or not you dig the post-Attitude era, the fact is the people who are complaining most are still watching the show. If it mattered that much to you, then you would be watching re-runs or sub-quality work from CZW.
I don't think the PG Era of the WWE will ever end. In fact, I think it's good for business and eventually it's going to lead to making the business a lot safer for up-and-comers. If the WWE heads into a future where smaller, drug-free guys are going their entire careers without taking a razor blade to their foreheads so be it. We may not get the rare breed of guys like Mick Foley but, if that makes the locker-room a healthier place to be I'm cool with that.
And as for the idea that the PG Era has lead to a decrease in quality...
http://www.iwebie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/shawn-michaels-vs-the-undertaker.jpg
Londoner
06-10-2010, 03:55 PM
I stop watching these days when it gets very boring/irritating.
thedamndest
06-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Cena has a small cut on his face? Stop the match. Cena goes through an exploding spotlight. All good.
The Pope
06-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Cena has a small cut on his face? Stop the match. Cena goes through an exploding spotlight. All good.
:rofl::lol:
Their problem is booking, not the rating. I've always said that the rating is moot as long as you have good writing.
Skippord
06-10-2010, 04:19 PM
the stopping matches stuff is the only thing that bugs me
Yeah, I do have a problem with that. A huge problem.
If the guy is wearing a crimson mask and is dripping everywhere, I honestly wouldn't have a problem with them stopping the match. But at the mere sight of blood they stop the match, effectively ruining the pace and taking the crowd out of it. Most of the time the wrestlers are showing legitimate annoyance towards them stopping it, too. Punk and Cena come to mind.
If it's not at least a 3 on the Muta scale, let them go.
Kane Knight
06-10-2010, 05:14 PM
And as for the idea that the PG Era has lead to a decrease in quality...
http://www.iwebie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/shawn-michaels-vs-the-undertaker.jpg
Yeah, a part time worker and a retiree. Good examples.
thedamndest
06-10-2010, 05:20 PM
I actually have mixed feelings about the stoppage for blood. In the course of the regular match I don't mind it because it actually makes professional wrestling look more "legit." But with what happened in Cena's case, that was just stupid. In a no-DQ match, why stop for blood? That said, I don't think there needs to be blood, but in some instances it does make sense, especially if it just happens.
Regarding everything else: TV-PG has acted as a barrier for a lot of terrible ideas. The WWE has never been the Sopranos in terms of writing but we all know that during the Attitude Era gratuitous anything made it on TV. This isn't to say that there haven't been bad or pointless storylines recently. But not as many of them make you completely ashamed or feel like you need to change the channel when a non-wrestling fan walks in.
Afterlife
06-10-2010, 05:22 PM
I just saw some episodes and ppvs from 99 this week, and my god. Everything about it was so much better.
Afterlife
06-10-2010, 05:23 PM
Yeah, a part time worker and a retiree. Good examples.
Not to mention, the part time worker doesn't stop for blood and the retiree kicked a little girl in the face.
Kane Knight
06-10-2010, 05:35 PM
Far as blood goes, I don't think blood makes or breaks a match. It does, however, seem really stupid to stop a no DQ match for blood, whatever. I don't think that's what's missing from the Attitude Era.
BigCrippyZ
06-10-2010, 05:40 PM
I actually applaud the idea of having a safer and healthier locker room and roster, as it's a great thing for the business in the long run. That being said though, I don't watch every show week in and week out from start to finish like I used to during the Attitude era days.
Nowadays, I tune in and out every 15-30 minutes and watch for a few minutes. If I see something that's interesting, I'll watch the whole segment or until the next commercial break or until I get bored.
During the Attitude era, even though I KNEW it was planned and scripted it never felt that way. Even during the worst segments, storylines, matches and promos, there was always an edginess and excitement to the shows.
I wanted to see who was going to get put through a table this week, who was going to get attacked backstage, how/if Rock or Austin or Taker or Foley were going to over come the odds this week, what was going to happen with the tag, hardcore, Euro, IC and World titles this week, and all the unique stables and characters in between. This is what made me want to tune in week after week and why I stayed tuned in the whole time.
Just my opinion though, clearly they're not marketing for my generation anymore and they're still in business.
Swiss Ultimate
06-10-2010, 06:08 PM
Yeah, a part time worker and a retiree. Good examples.
The point is that PG doesn't stand in the way of quality, not sure what you're trying to go for here.
Dirk Ziggler
06-10-2010, 06:18 PM
the stopping matches stuff is the only thing that bugs me
This^^^
Afterlife
06-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Far as blood goes, I don't think blood makes or breaks a match. It does, however, seem really stupid to stop a no DQ match for blood, whatever. I don't think that's what's missing from the Attitude Era.
Honestly, blood is not a necessity for every match. But it can up the intensity a notch, and stopping for a simple cut during a regular match totally kills the momentum. Management was all lovey dovey on Punk for the way he threw Mysterio around after the lull in their match at Over The Limit due. So, they praised the guy for regaining the momentum that their own policy willfully and intentionally kills. It just seems so futile.
If a guy is actually hurt, yes, stop the match. But simple bleeding should just not be a problem.
Kane Knight
06-10-2010, 08:11 PM
Honestly, blood is not a necessity for every match. But it can up the intensity a notch, and stopping for a simple cut during a regular match totally kills the momentum. Management was all lovey dovey on Punk for the way he threw Mysterio around after the lull in their match at Over The Limit due. So, they praised the guy for regaining the momentum that their own policy willfully and intentionally kills. It just seems so futile.
If a guy is actually hurt, yes, stop the match. But simple bleeding should just not be a problem.
yeah, how dare they ignore us for the target demographic!
Favre4Ever
06-10-2010, 08:25 PM
WWE will go with whatever they feel will make them the most money. While this "PG" era seems like it's ready to stay for the long haul, I can see them changing it up should the business start doing worse. Another way I could see them stepping it up is if they received legitimate competition, though I don't think it would be possible for some mega billionaire to just create a competing giant overnight.
Savio
06-10-2010, 08:29 PM
The worst part of the product is the guest host segments that are just there for bad comedy.
Favre4Ever
06-10-2010, 08:33 PM
It's true, but unfortunately I think they're tied to the guest host thing for quite some time as well, they haven't received the notoriety they are getting now for the better part of a decade. When was the last time before this year you saw RAW clips on Sportscenter?
Savio
06-10-2010, 08:36 PM
when the nuggets were double booked
Kane Knight
06-10-2010, 08:40 PM
WWE will go with whatever they feel will make them the most money. While this "PG" era seems like it's ready to stay for the long haul, I can see them changing it up should the business start doing worse. Another way I could see them stepping it up is if they received legitimate competition, though I don't think it would be possible for some mega billionaire to just create a competing giant overnight.
Worse than what?
DLVH84
06-10-2010, 08:52 PM
Me, I basically moved on to wrestling from Japan; it really interested me a lot, especially with me learning the language and culture.
Calamondin
06-10-2010, 09:28 PM
Of course it will end. There have been blood bans, and kid friendly eras before. If I remember right, the last blading ban ran from the early 90's - 97ish. A long time but not forever.
Afterlife
06-10-2010, 09:31 PM
yeah, how dare they ignore us for the target demographic!
Not sure how that applies to what I said.
It's true, but unfortunately I think they're tied to the guest host thing for quite some time as well, they haven't received the notoriety they are getting now for the better part of a decade. When was the last time before this year you saw RAW clips on Sportscenter?
I wouldn't mind the hosts so much if they weren't doomed to bad comedy. Introduce the show, do some show-moving bits, and close up before the main event. No need to embarrass yourselves or the viewers.
Kane Knight
06-10-2010, 09:38 PM
Not sure how that applies to what I said.
Among other things, the bit about killing momentum. I'm not sure how you don't think it applies. They're marketing to an audience who probably does not share your idea of momentum whatsoever. Stopping the match keeps the parents happy, which is a bonus as they're the ones footing the bill.
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