Can any moment live up to Hogan vs Rock

[Hanso Amore]

Do you think there will ever be a case where we can debate hogan VS rock as the best WM moment?

That match had the stars, the hype, and the delivery


I think only flairs retirement dwarfs this as best moment ever

[Supreme Olajuwon]

bro that isn't even Hogan's biggest WM moment

[LewisTheTruest]

As far as icon of the past vs icon of today, definitely not. Hogan is pro wrestling, Rock was at his peak in the Attitude era. Can't be topped.

[Rollerskategirl]

Hogans biggest WM moment was being in the ring with this man:

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[LewisTheTruest]

hehe, too frail for a leg drop

[AKin3D]

bro that isn't even Hogan's biggest WM moment

I agree.

And IMO the match really wasn't that great.

[Nicky Fives]

I never liked Rock/Hogan, so quite a few matches could top the hype....

[Blue Demon]

It was impressive for the crowd reaction alone...believe me, I was there....it was LOUD

[Favre4Ever]

Rock Hogan is up there, but I seem to remember the Austin/Rock matches having a really crazy sort of energy also.

[James Steele]

Rock/Hogan wasn't even the best moment at that WrestleMania. The two greatest performers of our generation collided in the main event of WrestleMania XVIII in Toronto,Ontario,Canada in the legendary SkyDome. The Undisputed Championship was on the line, and a classic was delivered by these two living legends.


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[Schlomey]

rock vs hogan does give me a nice little tickle on my spine but I can think of tons of other matches I'd rather watch...including:


Jericho vs Michaels
Michaels vs Hart
Michaels vs Undertaker - rounds 1 and 2
Flair vs Michaels

ect.....

[Kane Knight]

It was impressive for the crowd reaction alone...believe me, I know about big reactions. I'm a bitch, after all.

[Kane Knight]

You know what was a great Wrestlemania moment? Ultimo Dra*gets banned by Funky*

[BollywoodSingh]

Rock/Hogan wasn't even the best moment at that WrestleMania. The two greatest performers of our generation collided in the main event of WrestleMania XVIII in Toronto,Ontario,Canada in the legendary SkyDome. The Undisputed Championship was on the line, and a classic was delivered by these two living legends.


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I'm not sure if you're serious but that match was decent/good at best. It was one of the worst built WrestleMania main events ever. The crowd was dead as this match was only 2 matches after Rock/Hogan. A lot of people in the stadium left after Rock/Hogan.

[James Steele]

Go worship a cow, you piece of shit.

[Nark Order]

JamesSteele, what? That WM main event is universally known as a huge flop and and underbuilt mess. It was completely predictable, the crowd was more or less dead, Jericho wasn't built to look like a legitimate threat toward Triple H, and it followed Hall/SCSA AND Rock/Hogan. The actual match itself was good but many of the aforementioned elements ruined it.

[thedamndest]

In terms of hype it probably is Hogan's biggest Mania just due to how much bigger the company was at the time than his earlier days. But everything being equal, it's a tough call between Wrestlemania V and Wrestlemania VI. V is the better match and has a better build, but VI has more prestige because both titles are on the line.

[Favre4Ever]

Despite WM 18 being booked to be Triple H's "glorious" moment, I think the Wrestlemania 2000 fatal four-way was a bigger deal just because of how much of the public eye was on the WWF at the time. The boom period was peaking and the WWF SNL episode hosted by the Rock had just aired. That match was the culmination of around six months of storylines and sort of broke Triple H through into being a star "outside" of the confines of the WWF.

The four way match itself might not have been spectacular but it had all the other necessary qualities, including hype and fan reaction.

[Tazz Dan]

JamesSteele, what? That WM main event is universally known as a huge flop and and underbuilt mess. It was completely predictable, the crowd was more or less dead, Jericho wasn't built to look like a legitimate threat toward Triple H, and it followed Hall/SCSA AND Rock/Hogan. The actual match itself was good but many of the aforementioned elements ruined it.

Exactly. Hogan held HHH down.

[The Franchise]

In terms of hype it probably is Hogan's biggest Mania just due to how much bigger the company was at the time than his earlier days. But everything being equal, it's a tough call between Wrestlemania V and Wrestlemania VI. V is the better match and has a better build, but VI has more prestige because both titles are on the line.

What about WrestleMania III?

[James Steele]

JamesSteele, what? That WM main event is universally known as a huge flop and and underbuilt mess. It was completely predictable, the crowd was more or less dead, Jericho wasn't built to look like a legitimate threat toward Triple H, and it followed Hall/SCSA AND Rock/Hogan. The actual match itself was good but many of the aforementioned elements ruined it.

Opinion. Opinion. Opinion.

A lot of people enjoyed the buildup.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Name 3

[The Pope]

SCSA vs Shawn Michaels WM14

[James Steele]

Name 3

http://www.tpww.net/forums/group.php?do=viewmembers&groupid=166

[James Steele]

Check & Mate, cocksucker.

[Tazz Dan]

Thanks for ignoring my post James Steele. Last time I defend you. :mad:

[James Steele]

Thanks for ignoring my post James Steele. Last time I defend you. :mad:

I didn't want to hog all the greatness by myself. :kiss: Also, I have blocked Backlash 2002 out of my memory forever.

[Tazz Dan]

Nah it's all good :love:

[Arashi Kage]

It was impressive for the crowd reaction alone...believe me, I was there....it was LOUD

:y: I was also there, to use the old cliche, the atmosphere was electric. The crowd audio on video doesn't do it justice at all. I will never forget it.

Also, yes, the Jericho-HHH match had people walking out of skydome, the crowd was essentially dead (compared to Hogan-Rock). We all came to see Hogan-Rock, that was the main event in our eyes.

[James Steele]

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac27/thedirtsheethd/Wrestlemania-18-Triple-H_2069750.jpg

[James Steele]

:y: I was also there, to use the old cliche, the atmosphere was electric. The crowd audio on video doesn't do it justice at all. I will never forget it.

Also, yes, the Jericho-HHH match had people walking out of skydome, the crowd was essentially dead (compared to Hogan-Rock). We all came to see Hogan-Rock, that was the main event in our eyes.

So you can speak for 68,237 people?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/WMX8live.jpg = You

Highly doubtful.

[James Steele]

http://shawnmichaels974.s.h.pic.centerblog.net/j3u5hrwe.jpg

[James Steele]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh18/victors_/hhh-1.jpg

[James Steele]

There seem to be plenty of people excited here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Wmx8hhh.jpg

[James Steele]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/TheGame86/25%20Greatest%20Mania%20Matches/HM-3.jpg

[Juan]

here we go. Someone says something about HHH and James Steele spaz's out and posts a hundred pics of HHH.

[Tazz Dan]

http://www.freewebs.com/wrestlingsuperstars2005/Stephanie%20Mcmahon%20nipple%20shot.JPG

:shifty:

[Tazz Dan]

Damn you James. :'(

[James Steele]

here we go. Someone says something Juan doesn't agree with or like and Juan acts like a little bitch and continues his reign as the absolute shittiest mod of all time.

[Tazz Dan]

Fixed now. ;)

[Tazz Dan]

here we go. Someone says something Juan doesn't agree with or like and Juan acts like a little bitch and continues his reign as the absolute shittiest mod of all time.

Tazz Dan For Mod

[James Steele]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/226/slideshow_22625/display_image.jpg

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/Vince-McMahon-and-Hulk-Hogan.jpg

[James Steele]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G0ZBWEY9L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://cdn2.ioffer.com/img/item/144/780/735/7ncz.jpg

Let me guess, Hogan/McMahon was the main event of WrestleMania XIX too?

[James Steele]

Just to piss you all off:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00776/Triple_H_776003a.jpg

[Theo Dious]

Much better moment:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/darthteedious/horseanus.jpg

[Juan]

here we go. Someone says something Juan doesn't agree with or like and Juan acts like a little bitch and continues his reign as the absolute shittiest mod of all time.

Yeah, I just modded the shit out of this thread.

[The Pope]

Who's Triple H?

[Hornicane]

Juan is so controversial.

[thedamndest]

What about WrestleMania III?

Maybe could rival Hogan-Rock in terms of mainstream hype because wrestling was still pretty kayfabed then. But realistically the match was a bodyslam because Andre was in bad shape at that point. Probably the most important of all of them in terms of them finally getting the Wrestlemania concept right. That's pretty important for non-wrestling reasons.

[The Pope]

Controversy creates ca$h

[Nark Order]

JamesSteele, do you ever think that maybe you glorifying everything Triple H ever does actually does damage to the truly awesome Triple H moments in wrestling history?

[Tazz Dan]

It's his gimmick Narc, let the lad be.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, thought I'd give him a chance not to be a TPWW cartoon character. I don't think he's going to take it.

[James Steele]

Yeah, thought I'd give him a chance not to be a TPWW cartoon character. I don't think he's going to take it.

Says the man whose gimmick is ripping off Kapoutman.

[Nark Order]

Well, there's another joke you've never gotten, apparently.

[Nark Order]

I've never quite gotten why you simply can't discuss something without turning into King of the Spazzoids. It's a remarkable transformation process though, I'll give you credit for that.

[James Steele]

I've never quite gotten why you simply can't discuss something without turning into King of the Spazzoids. It's a remarkable transformation process though, I'll give you credit for that.

I have normal discussions all the time, but I will not stand for being attacked by self-important pricks.

[Tazz Dan]

Not to sound like a James Steele fan boy, but he only goes all HHH crazy as a joke most of the time, for his own amusement. He does actually have some good normal input a lot of the time.

[James Steele]

Not to sound like a James Steele fan boy, but he only goes all HHH crazy as a joke most of the time, for his own amusement. He does actually have some good normal input a lot of the time.

KAYFABE DAMN IT!

Seriously, is it not that obvious? OH WAIT, I bet it has something to do with self-important cocksuckers not getting the joke over their own overvalued opinion!

[Nark Order]

Nobody is attacking anybody. You make these wild claims all the time that can't really be supported, of course people are going to call you on them. Wrestlemania 18 was by far the worst main event of that era and it is widely known to be that. I myself, think it's a little underrated by most interpretations, but it is FAR from what you're making it out to be. The main event suffered horribly from lack of build and from the fact the the WM18 mid-card trounced and overshadowed it. Not to mention, Jericho was never really taken seriously as the champion in the first place because there was an extreme lack of build going to him winning the belt (Not to mention that he cheated in EVERY title defense. Not that I'm against that but it definitely took away from his "big match" legitimacy)

All the pieces are there guy, put them together and don't frown too much on the fact that you'll be the very last one to do it. Like I said, I think that the ME is actually a bit underrated because of the way that they managed to do alot with what they had to work with, but that can't change the fact that it was just thrown together and was sloppy as fuck as a whole.

[Tazz Dan]

lol Narc. You're making yourself sound worse than JS by taking him seriously. Stop now. :heart:

[XCaliber]

It would have better match if Hogan had been in his prime but even years past it i'd say this match is right up there in my top 5 maybe but off all time hell no.

[Nark Order]

What? Why does it matter if he's acting like an idiot on accident or purposely being an idiot? An idiot is an idiot.

This "playing into his trap" deal is ridiculous. He made a claim, let's hear him back it up. I'll never be able to take him seriously, that boat sailed a long time ago. Let's at least hear him try to explain these wild claims that he's going on about. When I amuse myself by asking him to explain "I'm making myself sound worse", but when he does it he's some sort of instigative genius? I hardly think so. Come off of it, Dan.

[James Steele]

There was a buildup of Jericho as champion. He did win in chickenshit heel ways, BUT HE WAS A CHICKENSHIT HEEL! I still remember going nuts when Jericho told off The Rock. The Rock was cutting a typical promo about how The Rock was going to beat Jericho and go on to WrestleMania yada yada. Jericho cut him off and cut a passionate promo about how he won't be walked over. He is the Undisputed Champion and etc. Yeah, he did the "evil ref" thing with Neil Patrick but it worked.

Then they had an excellent build-up to No Way Out where Jericho went over Stone Cold Steve Austin. Jericho was established as a heel champion, and then they logically fused with the Stephanie/HHH divorce storyline. Were there elements that were not great, yes, but there were far from the abomination so many of you make it out to be. Everybody knew Triple H was going to win, but that wasn't the point. If you bitched about every predictable WrestleMania main event...you'd bitch about almost every one of them. Then, we go to WrestleMania and they put on an awesome match. Yes, the crowd was worn out but Jericho and HHH put on a great match. I have never understood everybody shitting on the entire thing like it is equal to the Gimmick Battle Royal on the greatness scale. Nothing could have followed Rock/Hogan in terms of crowd involvement/etc. but it was worthy of a WrestleMania main event and there was no doubt going in that HHH/Y2J was the main event. Rock/Hogan shocked people with Hogan getting that reaction. The match was staring contests mixed in with typical punch exchanges and finisher paloozas. It certainly was a moment frozen in time, but you can't tell me a majority of wrestling fans around the world completely shit on Triple H coming back from career-threatening injuries to come back become Undisputed Champion.

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, but he doesn't take it seriously. The only reason he plays the dick is because people expect him to. It's no different to Kane Knight being a sarcastic prick most of the time.

[Juan]

There was a buildup of Jericho as champion. He did win in chickenshit heel ways, BUT HE WAS A CHICKENSHIT HEEL! I still remember going nuts when Jericho told off The Rock. The Rock was cutting a typical promo about how The Rock was going to beat Jericho and go on to WrestleMania yada yada. Jericho cut him off and cut a passionate promo about how he won't be walked over. He is the Undisputed Champion and etc. Yeah, he did the "evil ref" thing with Neil Patrick but it worked.

Then they had an excellent build-up to No Way Out where Jericho went over Stone Cold Steve Austin. Jericho was established as a heel champion, and then they logically fused with the Stephanie/HHH divorce storyline. Were there elements that were not great, yes, but there were far from the abomination so many of you make it out to be. Everybody knew Triple H was going to win, but that wasn't the point. If you bitched about every predictable WrestleMania main event...you'd bitch about almost every one of them. Then, we go to WrestleMania and they put on an awesome match. Yes, the crowd was worn out but Jericho and HHH put on a great match. I have never understood everybody shitting on the entire thing like it is equal to the Gimmick Battle Royal on the greatness scale. Nothing could have followed Rock/Hogan in terms of crowd involvement/etc. but it was worthy of a WrestleMania main event and there was no doubt going in that HHH/Y2J was the main event. Rock/Hogan shocked people with Hogan getting that reaction. The match was staring contests mixed in with typical punch exchanges and finisher paloozas. It certainly was a moment frozen in time, but you can't tell me a majority of wrestling fans around the world completely shit on Triple H coming back from career-threatening injuries to come back become Undisputed Champion.

The match sucked. Get over it.

[Juan]

*waits for a clever joke about how I suck as a mod*

[Nark Order]

The original claim from you was the the main event of Wrestlemania 18 was better than the Rock/Hogan contest, which is why I took this argument with you in the first place. Now you're saying that nothing could've followed it.

[Nark Order]

And you overselling what actually happened during the build-up for that match doesn't change what actually happened and how the fans took the whole angle/buildup.

[James Steele]

The original claim from you was the the main event of Wrestlemania 18 was better than the Rock/Hogan contest, which is why I took this argument with you in the first place. Now you're saying that nothing could've followed it.

You left out the "...in terms of crowd involvement, etc.". The Triple H/Jericho match was way better. The Hogan/Rock match up was more about the crowd surprisingly cheering Hogan and them staring at each other. The Rock/Hogan match from an actual MATCH standpoint sucked.

[James Steele]

*waits for a clever joke about how I suck as a mod*

You are a horrible piece of shit mod.

[Juan]

You must be a delight at parties.

[James Steele]

And you overselling what actually happened during the build-up for that match doesn't change what actually happened and how the fans took the whole angle/buildup.'

Or could it be that you just refuse to give any credit to the buildup or match because "evil Triple H" won and Stephanie was involved?

[James Steele]

You must be a delight at parties.

You must be almost as miserable of a cunt as Kane Knight.

[Juan]

FACT: Everyone who doesn't enjoy every HHH match, thinks HHH is the devil.

[Juan]

You must be almost as miserable of a cunt as Kane Knight.

Funny, I feel the exact same way about you.

[James Steele]

FACT: James Steele can eat 500 spare ribs in 10 mins.

[Nark Order]

'

Or could it be that you just refuse to give any credit to the buildup or match because "evil Triple H" won and Stephanie was involved?

Ok. And everyone else?

[James Steele]

Funny, I feel the exact same way about you.

http://www.babble.com/CS/photos/apr2007/images/16575/300x334.aspx

[James Steele]

Ok. And everyone else?

It is just like anything Triple H has done for the past 8 years. Everybody thinks they are hot shit by bitching about Triple H and shitting on his work. Majority of casual fans loved it and love Triple H today, but of course they are just marks whose opinion don't matter just like mine doesn't to self-important cunts like you.

[Juan]

That HHH match wasn't very good

http://www.babble.com/CS/photos/apr2007/images/16575/300x334.aspx

[Juan]

lol @ this "self-important" business

[James Steele]

Wow, you really are like Kane Knight.

BAWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Juan]

For what, changing quotes, like you just did on the last page?

[James Steele]

lol @ this "self-important" business

It is true. My opinions, and most others on TPWW, don't matter to you because they conflict with yours. You believe you are correct 99% of the time and just make fun of those who don't agree with you.

[James Steele]

For what, changing quotes, like you just did on the last page?

No, just for being an incredibly unfunny and unoriginal bastard.

[Juan]

No, just for being an incredibly unfunny and unoriginal bastard.

Ha. Oh the irony

[Juan]

It is true. My opinions, and most others on TPWW, don't matter to you because they conflict with yours. You believe you are correct 99% of the time and just make fun of those who don't agree with you.

lol

you can't be serious here, can you?

[Nark Order]

No, you're just being ridiculous. Anytime somebody doesn't like something that Triple H has done, you go into this "the internet just hates Triple H so it doesn't matter what you think" mode. I explained to you why the build-up and the match was sub-par and the reasons for why I think that way. There are plenty of great moments in wrestling history involving Triple H, that particular one was just poorly executed. I don't quite understand why you're getting so defensive about it.

[James Steele]

Ha. Oh the irony

I can only imagine the smug look you have on your face after posting that.

[James Steele]

No, you're just being ridiculous. Anytime somebody doesn't like something that Triple H has done, you go into this "the internet just hates Triple H so it doesn't matter what you think" mode. I explained to you why the build-up and the match was sub-par and the reasons for why I think that way. There are plenty of great moments in wrestling history involving Triple H, that particular one was just poorly executed. I don't quite understand why you're getting so defensive about it.

I gave you explanations on why it isn't as "poorly executed" or "horrible" as y'all claimed but you just waived it off as hyperbole.

[Juan]

So I don't like you because I'm always right

and you don't like me because I'm a smug, self-important asshole.

Am i getting this right?

[Blue Demon]

I'm the biggest bitch in the history of bitches.

[James Steele]

So I don't like you because I'm always right

and you don't like me because I'm a smug, self-important asshole.

Am i getting this right?

Somewhat.

You don't like me because I think you are a piece of shit and have told you this, and I don't like you because you are a smug, self-important asshole.

[Juan]

oh right

[James Steele]

How long have we been at each others throats? We used to not be like this.

[Nark Order]

It is true. My opinions, and most others on TPWW, don't matter to you because they conflict with yours. You believe you are correct 99% of the time and just make fun of those who don't agree with you.

Pot, meet kettle. Do you not understand that you're doing the same thing but to a greater extent? You have many people that are refuting your claims but you ignore everything we say and continue to go on your extravagant Triple H hissy fits.

By your own definition, you're acting far more "self-important" than anybody here.

[James Steele]

Juan, even you can't spoil my happiness. I have found both Rocko's Modern Life and The Angry Beavers on Netflix Instant Queue.

[James Steele]

Pot, meet kettle. Do you not understand that you're doing the same thing but to a greater extent? You have many people that are refuting your claims but you ignore everything we say and continue to go on your extravagant Triple H hissy fits.

By your own definition, you're acting far more "self-important" than anybody here.

Y'all are saying I am completely wrong and can't fathom how anyone can see otherwise. I understand how people can find it underwhelming, but shitting on it is quite unnecessary.

[Nark Order]

The reason you have people acting this way is because of the way that you talk about things like they're the greatest things that have ever happened. It's ridiculously annoying. But you know that. You can't just accept it for what it is, you have to try to make it into something that it isn't to annoy people.

[James Steele]

It only annoys those who can't handle differing opinions.

[Nark Order]

No, I'm fairly certain that you do it for the very purpose of being annoying.

[Juan]

Let's settle at this fishing hole, ya'll. The one next to the crick

[James Steele]

No, I'm fairly certain that you do it for the very purpose of being annoying.

Incorrect, sir. I'm not RP.

[thedamndest]

When discussing fishing holes, "crick" is the acceptable word.

[thedamndest]

Also acceptable would be "acrossed the street" and "warsh the clothes" if they happened to be in the conversation.

[James Steele]

When discussing fishing holes, "crick" is the acceptable word.

If you have a speech impediment.

[Tazz Dan]

Is this still going on? meh.

[James Steele]

Is this still going on? meh.

We are talking about Rocko's accent now.

[Tazz Dan]

Oh ok. I didn't read any of this page.

[James Steele]

Oh ok. I didn't read any of this page.

Yeah, Juan killed all the comedy with Page 3.

[Mooияakeя™]

525 pounds worth of ass in one grope:

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20070307&Category=ENT0101&ArtNo=703070329&Ref=H3

[Favre4Ever]

Where's HBPunk to point out which moderators play which role in that picture and then make a gay sex reference?

[James Steele]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4908/tazzdan4mod.jpg

[Johnny Vegas]

Hogan v. Warrior, WrestleMania VI. Say what you want about the match and Warrior, but that match had HYPE and energy, a great crowd, and face v. face you really can't go wrong with because the outcomes seem more unpredictable, when it comes to a WrestleMania event anyway.

[BollywoodSingh]

Go worship a cow, you piece of shit.

What? I'm not even Hindu you ignorant asshole.

[Juan]

What? I'm not even Hindu you ignorant asshole.

Forgive him. He's from Texas.

[James Steele]

What? I'm not even Hindu you ignorant asshole.

Fine. Go fuck yourself, cunt.

[James Steele]

Forgive him. He's from Texas.

Go vote for weaker labor laws.

[MoFo]

If Cena beat Taker at Wrestlemania it would equal it for reaction, in an adverse way, instead of everyone cheering, Cena would be killed by baying fans.

[BollywoodSingh]

Fine. Go fuck yourself, cunt.

Haha, what's with all the anger? Either you're a teenager hiding behind his computer screen or you're a 35 year old virgin that's mad at the world because of how his life has turned out.

[Tazz Dan]

VOTE THE FRAZE, ROUND 3, KING OF THE FORUM 2010 IN CASUAL. IF YOU SUPPORT A TAZZ DAN MODERATION YOU WILL SUPPORT MY SUPPORTING. :y:

[James Steele]

Haha, what's with all the anger? Either you're a teenager hiding behind his computer screen or you're a 35 year old virgin that's mad at the world because of how his life has turned out.

I was mad at Juan and you got in the way, and I think you might be Heyman.