If it's not a work...

[Swiss Ultimate]

could this move by the WWE be an actual bullet a company like TNA (if they were competent) could use to make some headway in their battle?

Unlike most wrestler releases, this one has the added momentum of total controversy as well as the fact that it was unexpected and Bryan Danielson was receiving a pretty high-profile push by the WWE. If this was real, and because of Bryan's name-change, I imagine he could appear tonight at the TNA PPV without wrestling (especially if he makes the appearance unpaid), hell if this was real and I was in TNA I'd grab him and pay the legal fees for him breaking a non-compete clause.

Of course, this is assuming a) this isn't a work b) he wouldn't go straight back to ROH and c) TNA would be smart enough to manipulate the situation.

Your thoughts?

[jerichoholicninja]

No. TNA is so far behind that one guy will do nothing for them. John Cena maybe but not Danielson.

[Schlomey]

No. TNA is so far behind that one guy will do nothing for them. John Cena maybe but not Danielson.

:y:

We have seen bigger names (Jeff Hardy for fuck sake) jump ship and ratings still haven't changed.


Danielson is a find. A real catch even. But the majority of kiddies out there only know him as the first guy eliminated on NXT.

[Swiss Ultimate]

It's not about the name, it's about the situation. I might be wrong but, the WWE giving someone a high-profile push, spending so much time and money on them and then firing them for some seemingly arbitrary reason seems like something by itself that could be used to create a buzz. The fact that the buzz is already here (just look at the internet response to a potential work, haven't seen people this freaked out about wrestling since Benoit killed his family) just adds to that.

Is Bryan Danielson bigger than Jeff Hardy? No, of course not, but that's not the point of my curiousity.

[Swiss Ultimate]

:y:

We have seen bigger names (Jeff Hardy for fuck sake) jump ship and ratings still haven't changed.


Danielson is a find. A real catch even. But the majority of kiddies out there only know him as the first guy eliminated on NXT.

He wasn't the first eliminated...was he?

[XCaliber]

Technically no he was the 2nd of 3.

[Schlomey]

my bad fellas.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Still, this reminds me of the whole "Matt Hardy will not die" thing only with a lot more momentum and with Bryan Danielson's status being more high-profile than Matt's was.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's how WCW started their ratings climb. They took Razor Ramon and Diesel and pushed the shit out of them. But TNA isn't WCW and Danielson isn't Scott Hall or Kevin Nash.

Plus I still think it's a work.

[Kane Knight]

This needed a new thread.

[Swiss Ultimate]

That's how WCW started their ratings climb. They took Razor Ramon and Diesel and pushed the shit out of them. But TNA isn't WCW and Danielson isn't Scott Hall or Kevin Nash.

Plus I still think it's a work.

They didn't just push the hell out of them, they found an interesting angle to exploit and put all their biggest players into it.

Bryan Danielson, of course, isn't Nash or Hall but, this would remind me of The Radicals exit from WCW and into the WWF way back when which exploited their situation in WCW and signaled a decline in the quality of their presentation.

Right now, this is the most talked about story in pro-wrestling. Yes, I think it's a work, a brilliant work, and if it isn't I think it has the potential of taking on a life of its own.

[Swiss Ultimate]

This needed a new thread.

Different subject, and I wanted direct answers I wouldn't get in Xero's.

[Favre4Ever]

seems like it would be more of a bullet Danielson could use, not TNA. Having a successful run in TNA would give him even more legitimacy I imagine, and after he'd won his belts and created a bigger fanbase (assuming people watch TNA), he'd come right back to the big league with even more steam.

[Stickman]

Sorry for my ignorance, but who?

[Kane Knight]

Sorry for my ignorance, but who?
One of the NXT "rookies" from season 1. IWC darling. MAKE IT or BREAK IT for WWE, evidently.

[Savio]

No.

[Kane Knight]

If it's not a work, we riot!

[Kane Knight]

Inhalers and acne everywhere!

[Kane Knight]

If it's not a work, I'll hate John Cena forever!

[Kane Knight]

If it's not a work, I'll hate <s>John Cena</s> Triple H forever!

[Savio]

TNA and WWE could switch rosters and WWE would still do better.

[tjmidnight420]

TNA and WWE could switch rosters and WWE would still do better.

Never before have more fitting words been spoken about these two companies.

[Kane Knight]

TNA and WWE could switch rosters and nobody would even notice.

[tjmidnight420]

:rofl:

[Kane Knight]

You stand corrected. Apology accepted.

[Wolfpack423]

If it's not a work, I'll hate John Cena forever!

Why would you hate John Cena forever? To me that doesn't make any logical sense. He was released because he choked out Justin Roberts. They have a policy that strictly doesn't allow using ropes or other materials to choke out someone else following the Benoit situation. I don't see how Cena fits into this category unless it's just another reason to attack him for no reason.

[Sixx]

Pretty sure Cena recently choked someone with handcuffs.

[Rammsteinmad]

It wouldn't work in TNA because no matter how much momentum/interest etc Bryan Danielson will have from his WWE release, in TNA he'll end up being sucked into the stinkfest that is any angle involving Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair.

[blak23]

I want to believe its a work but i just can't get comfortable with giving anyone in wwe creative that much credit

[Favre4Ever]

Why would you hate John Cena forever? To me that doesn't make any logical sense. He was released because he choked out Justin Roberts. They have a policy that strictly doesn't allow using ropes or other materials to choke out someone else following the Benoit situation. I don't see how Cena fits into this category unless it's just another reason to attack him for no reason.

Sometimes it's just too easy right?

[Rev. Hallowell]

That's exactly what Jeff Jarrett's minor league wrestling needs to put them on top, a guy who nobody outside the IWC knows or cares about.

[Sixx]

That's exactly what Jeff Jarrett's minor league wrestling needs to put them on top, a guy who nobody outside the IWC knows or cares about.

This.

[Tazz Dan]

That's exactly what Jeff Jarrett's minor league wrestling needs to put them on top, a guy who nobody outside the IWC knows or cares about.

Do we actually know for a fact that nobody outside the IWC doesn't know or care about him. Or are we too wrapped up in out own little world to believe that people who don't post on boards may follow wrestling. Just sayin...

[J Dogg Funk]

I might be wrong, but usually, when WWE Future Endevors someone, they don't have a link on that persons name. If you open the story and click on Daniel Bryans name, it takes you to his WWE profile page.

Can someone clarify????

[BigCrippyZ]

Do we actually know for a fact that nobody outside the IWC doesn't know or care about him. Or are we too wrapped up in out own little world to believe that people who don't post on boards may follow wrestling. Just sayin...

I dunno, I personally have been a fan who's followed wrestling (including the message boards) for 14+ years now and never actually posted on any message boards until the last 6 months.

[The Pope]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

An update on Daniel Bryan's firing: it was due to pressure from an outside source following Monday night's angle. The choking with the tie and spitting in John Cena's face were the two main sticking points, and Vince McMahon is said to have had no choice. It is almost a guarantee that this is not a work, since that would mean WWE had lied to everyone with any power in WWE. They have all been told that Daniel Bryan is gone for real.

It seems very clear that Bryan is being used as a scapegoat. It also appears to me that someone from the outside (not WWE management) was the one who threw a fit and WWE had no choice but to fire him for now.

To recap, here are the key bullet points:

# The Justin Roberts spot was deemed too violent and it led to the firing, in a call made by Vince, but forced upon him by an "outside force who is important"

# Complaints came in very quickly.

# The decision was explained to the merchandise and marketing people, PR team, company doctor before it was announced that it was a legit firing.

# The person who complained was someone from the "outside, important to the company"

# Danielson is being called a "scapegoat"

# No timetable has been given, but he was said to be left with the impression that he would be welcomed back at a later time once things pass over.

# Danielson is now looking for indy dates.

# Danielson has a 90 day no-compete clause.

# With respect to the possibility of Vince working his own employees, he's definitely capable of it, and a much more "insane" situation is currently going on with a much bigger name than Danielson in WWE right now.

# Sources in WWE believe they will lose him to TNA, Once source said they just "made a TNA main eventer"

[Swiss Ultimate]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

An update on Daniel Bryan's firing: it was due to pressure from an outside source following Monday night's angle. The choking with the tie and spitting in John Cena's face were the two main sticking points, and Vince McMahon is said to have had no choice. It is almost a guarantee that this is not a work, since that would mean WWE had lied to everyone with any power in WWE. They have all been told that Daniel Bryan is gone for real.

It seems very clear that Bryan is being used as a scapegoat. It also appears to me that someone from the outside (not WWE management) was the one who threw a fit and WWE had no choice but to fire him for now.

To recap, here are the key bullet points:

# The Justin Roberts spot was deemed too violent and it led to the firing, in a call made by Vince, but forced upon him by an "outside force who is important"

# Complaints came in very quickly.

# The decision was explained to the merchandise and marketing people, PR team, company doctor before it was announced that it was a legit firing.

# The person who complained was someone from the "outside, important to the company"

# Danielson is being called a "scapegoat"

# No timetable has been given, but he was said to be left with the impression that he would be welcomed back at a later time once things pass over.

# Danielson is now looking for indy dates.

# Danielson has a 90 day no-compete clause.

# With respect to the possibility of Vince working his own employees, he's definitely capable of it, and a much more "insane" situation is currently going on with a much bigger name than Danielson in WWE right now.

# Sources in WWE believe they will lose him to TNA, Once source said they just "made a TNA main eventer"

This is the best ROH angle ever...

[The Pope]

Well They don't call me a Wrestling Observer source for nothing.

[BillyBonez]

TNA should bring him in as "Too Violent, Daniel Bryanson". Then have people drive him to the ring in a cage AND a straightjacket because he is so violent and dangerous. Now that would be an awesome angle!!!

[Kane Knight]

People frequently ask why I lay on the sarcasm so thickly.

Why would you hate John Cena forever? To me that doesn't make any logical sense. He was released because he choked out Justin Roberts. They have a policy that strictly doesn't allow using ropes or other materials to choke out someone else following the Benoit situation. I don't see how Cena fits into this category unless it's just another reason to attack him for no reason.

...Any further questions?

[Swiss Ultimate]

People frequently ask why I lay on the sarcasm so thickly.



...Any further questions?

Well, it's kind of nice to see someone who takes words at face-value.

[teamXtremist]

i believe danielson will be in tna could be a big player for them down the line

[Savio]

He will probably be hired back within the 90 days.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Even if they tried to take advantage of the situation, they'd just put the belt on him until the next WWE defector showed up. Then it's bury city.

[Swiss Ultimate]

So, anyone watching TNA's ppv tonight? I almost forgot about their "big surprise" due to all of the Danielson talk.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I want Danielson to stay away from TNA unless Heyman gets the book. :o Nothing like going from a shit-hot angle to TNA's retarded booking...not to mention their matches are just as short as Raw's.

Otherwise, I'd want him to go back to ROH where his talents will be appreciated by fans just as passionate as he is.</font>

[Swiss Ultimate]

I think he may have had more fun in ROH...

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Probably. Danielson seems to genuinely love the business and enjoy wrestling. Although I'm sure he's enjoyed his WWE time prior to the release and would certainly go back, at least in ROH he would be allowed 15-20 minutes a night.

In TNA he'd be stuck not only working short matches, but also dealing with awful booking. At least Heyman is likely to provide a much better product on the off-chance he were given FULL control of booking TNA.</font>

[Tazz Dan]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

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IT'S A WORK!