UFC 116

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5231/staredown.jpg

This is gonna be off the hizook, regardless of who wins.

(LOL @ Carwin putting his shoes on for the staredown, to appear equal height)

[Savio]

That was a nice prelim fight

[Danny Electric]

ouch

[Savio]

Intead of Mitrione being Kimbos last fight they should have made it Seth.

[IC Champion]

I dont care who wins this fight.

[VSG]

Good fight from a couple of nobody's.

[IC Champion]

the first fight that is

[IC Champion]

The Aussie is building a name for himself. I don't want to attempt spelling his name

[Nark Order]

George definitely wasn't out.

[Nark Order]

Oh, my bad. They didn't stop the fight. Watching this with no audio here.

[IC Champion]

Ill pm you what i use.

[Nark Order]

Great counter punch by Bonnar.

[IC Champion]

Great round.

[Corndad]

This has been a hell of a fight so far

[Nark Order]

Estatic that Bonnar got a convincing win over a great contender.

[alvarado52]

well now ive seen everything...

[Krimzon7]

Lesnar wins via arm triangle??? After getting thrashed in the goddam first? I have seen everything. This was one of the best cards in recent history

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Both men are still beasts.

Carwin can still take anybody out with his hands. It's very rare he'll face someone with the chin/strength of Brock to overcome his punches.

Brock's superior stamina and wrestling were expected, and his submission was impressive.

I don't see anybody surviving under Brock, once he gets a solid position.

[The Mask]

i think carwin could beat him. brock looked scared shitless in the first. carwin just needs to be a bit more tactical and work on his cardio, there's not a whole lot between them.

[The Mask]

oh wait, i didn't read the "once he gets a solid position" bit. ignore what i just said, i agree completely.

[muffalufagus]

Fucking amazing. I love Carwin and Lesnar both, but Brock is the real deal.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Brock and Dana were great in the post-fight press conference.

If you get chance, try to watch the full video, rather than the chopped-up version they'll probably post on UFC.com.

[Verbose Minch]

So can we all safely say that Brock's chin has been tested?

[IC Champion]

i think carwin could beat him. brock looked scared shitless in the first. carwin just needs to be a bit more tactical and work on his cardio, there's not a whole lot between them.

Yeah, he definetly wanted no part of Shane standing, it was funny watching Shane chase Brock down. Brock has trouble getting the fight to the ground, even late in the first when Shane was gassed.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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[Krimzon7]

man, right at the end of that gif, look how brocks muscles seize! He looks like an anaconda putting that final squeeze to break ribs, get that last bit of air out of it's dinner!

[IC Champion]

It was terrible techinque, Lesnar basically muscled the choke, which he probably wouldn't have been able to do if Carwin wasn't so winded.

[Savio]

What are you talking about? it go him the win.

[Reavant]

Yea that was actually really good technique.... he did exactly what to do when a guy is pushing with his elbow against the choke by circling away from his body to shorten the angle of carwins elbow and sink the choke in.

[IC Champion]

Oh, my buddy who trains in BJJ said it looked like he just muscled the choke in.

[IC Champion]

What are you talking about? it go him the win.

Did I question wheather or not he won?

[Savio]

I dont get why you are saying its a bad technique though. He took him to the ground which is not Carwins game then put his bicep right on his throat and circled to get the good angle to choke him.

[IC Champion]

I don't know that I would call the BJJ Brocks game either. I don't think either man are really accomplished in that area.

[IC Champion]

And the ground didn't look like it was Brock's game in the first round. It wasn't so much Carwins lack of BJJ skills, and Brocks BJJ skills, as it was a big strong guy on top of a tired guy. And all the credit in the world to Brock for surviving the first and getting through the barrage that was Carwins fists, I thought it was done by that point.

It was definetly a big win for him.

I was misinformed by a BJJ who thinks Brock is a joke.

[IC Champion]

I just watched the finish in a video that wasn't all pixelated, and it looked alot better than when I saw it last night. And apparenlty it's like impossible to just used strength as the angles have to be right. Or so I've just been told.

[Savio]

I don't know that I would call the BJJ Brocks game either. I don't think either man are really accomplished in that area.
Striking is Carwins Primary weapon. Lesnar took him out of that game. as for you your second post...Obviously he was getting punched in his face.

[Nark Order]

Well, at least the questions about Brock's chin have more or less been answered.

[IC Champion]

My point was that at the time, neither was there under the best of circumsatnces. Lesnars got rocked and dropped, and Carwin got taken down and was gassed. Carwin came into the fight expecting to be taken down at some point, unless he's crazy, or crazy confident.

[IC Champion]

Well, at least the questions about Brock's chin have more or less been answered.

True, do you think if he isn't the world champion, that maybe the fight gets stopped early? Refs do tend to give the champ a fair bit a leverage when it comes to stoppages. Honestly, I thought it was going be stopped at one point.

[IC Champion]

It's not that I thought Brock was badly hurt, he just wasn't doing what they call in MMA "intelligently" defending himself at one point. And I think we have all seen fights stopped for less.

[Nark Order]

This not not, in any capacity, be blamed somehow on the referee. Lesnar came back from a bad situation and finished. End of story.

[Savio]

My point was that at the time, neither was there under the best of circumsatnces. Lesnars got rocked and dropped, and Carwin got taken down and was gassed. Carwin came into the fight expecting to be taken down at some point, unless he's crazy, or crazy confident.
When Lesnar wins most of the time it is by GNP, so I would say taking carwin down would be in his best interest.

[IC Champion]

I'm not blaming the referee or saying it should have even been stopped, I asked a question, on wheather or not you thought it might be stopped? If you watch MMA regulary, I'm guessing you've seen fights stopped for less, again not saying it should have been stopped.

[Savio]

It's not that I thought Brock was badly hurt, he just wasn't doing what they call in MMA "intelligently" defending himself at one point. And I think we have all seen fights stopped for less.
Yeah I said somewhere else that if Herb Dean was Reffing the fight he might have stopped it.

[IC Champion]

When Lesnar wins most of the time it is by GNP, so I would say taking carwin down would be in his best interest.

I think we both missed each others points. But I understand what you're saying.

[alvarado52]

I was under the impression that scooting up in a arm triangle is the 'intelligent' thing to do. I'd say your BJJ friend is simply 'hating'.

I dont think the fight would have been stopped. Lesnar was rocked, and was on the ground, but he had both hands up and chin tucked in, which to me shows that he's clear headed. Now if he had one hand on the ground and another just 'up', i'd say it would have been stopped.

Lesnar balled up in defense, sure, but he pushed off and kept working (which clearly shows he's intelligently defending himself).

But yeah, championship fights do tend to get leverage when it comes to stoppage.

[IC Champion]

I think we would all like to see "intelligently defending" more clearly defined.

[alvarado52]

yeah, the definition is definitely loose.

[Jura]

I dont get why you are saying its a bad technique though. He took him to the ground which is not Carwins game then put his bicep right on his throat and circled to get the good angle to choke him.

Striking is Carwins Primary weapon. Lesnar took him out of that game. as for you your second post...Obviously he was getting punched in his face.

It's not his "game" but he can wrestle. There was just over a minute of stand up striking but that is due to the first round with Brock being pummeled by Carwin. The second round Carwin was really tired and couldn't do anything. I'd say Carwin took himself out of his "game". Not to take anything away from Brock but Carwin's stamina was his biggest enemy.

As for Lesnar's chin there was really only one well placed shot on his chin standing up and it was an uppercut. Most of the shots on the ground didn't hit his chin. He can take a pounding obviously which most people in that situation wouldn't be able to or probably wouldn't defend that good.

This match shows Lesnar won't always be able to use his strength to win fights. He's learned a lot since his fight with Mir (the first one) and I'm thinking the Cain Velasquez match will hopefully be more entertaining than this one.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm thinking the Cain Velasquez match will hopefully be more entertaining than this one.
That's gonna be tough. This one was extremely entertaining.

[XL]

I know next to nothing about MMA having only seen a few fights here and there but I found that fight entertaining. From what I've seen, a lot of the heavyweight matches have a lot of "downtime" i.e. times when the guys are grappled up and it bores me/turns me off the sport.

Couldn't believe the damage Brock took to start off with, that upper was solid. I did think the ref might stop the bout but that might be down to my lack of exposure.

As soon as I head the commentator say that it was Carwin's first 2nd round I "knew" Lesnar would take it, wasn't expecting it to be in the second round though.

[CSL]

I think there's a bit too much emphasis on Carwin apparently being gassed from some people. He didn't exactly show many, if any signs of being tired to the point that it affected his 'game', he just got taken down and choked out, nothing he could do about it.

[Brujesino]

You really didnt see the heavy breaths he was taking at his corner?Or when the 2nd round started?Carwin was gasses like hell he even had to go to the hospital because if it.

Brown Pride is next he has a good chance of taking lesnar.

[CSL]

Most fighters wind up breathing heavy in the corner, that's half the point of having a break. I'm not saying he couldn't have been tired but it strikes me as more of an excuse from people that wanted to see Lesnar get killed that their boy got choked out.

[Brujesino]

I was rootig for Carwin yes but to be honest last night showed more that the heavyweights in the UFC are really really overrated lesnar has no standing game,carwin has no cardio even my boy cain only has 6 fights still fairly new to mma.

[IC Champion]

It's not over rated, there are some very skilled guys in the HW division, it's just they don't seem big enough to not get bullied by Lesnar and Carwin, guys who actually cut weight to make the 265 weight limit. What the UFC needs maybe is a weight class between LW and HW. But Dana White is dead against it now, as it would hurt the first credible HW class the UFC has ever really had. Eventually you will see another class or two added, maybe closing the distance in weight between classes, nothing to the extent of boxing though, and not for a long time.

[Jura]

Watched the first minute of the first and second round and Carwin was definitely much slower, less responsive and his punches were lacking. Looked like he threw them just for the sake of throwing a punch.

[Reavant]

Most fighters wind up breathing heavy in the corner, that's half the point of having a break. I'm not saying he couldn't have been tired but it strikes me as more of an excuse from people that wanted to see Lesnar get killed that their boy got choked out.

no he gassed himself out. He got to crazy throwing punches from the top trying to finish brock fast and punched himself out.


It happened to me in my last fight and had my opponent not tapped from the strikes I would have been real tired in the second round.

[Krimzon7]

no he gassed himself out. He got to crazy throwing punches from the top trying to finish brock fast and punched himself out.


It happened to me in my last fight and had my opponent not tapped from the strikes I would have been real tired in the second round.

I haven't fought, YET, but it would seem like a judgemen call. You're in the fight, you know when you have somebody on the ropes...how much do you think in that moment 'I may need to pull off the gas', or once you get in that 'dominant position', you're just gonna work you GNP?

Like how quickly do you go primal, as opposed to being able to logically see that somebody is defending your punches?

[Reavant]

I dont think theres really a good answer. When you have a guy as dangerous as lesnar on the ropes, you shouldnt miss the opportunity. However if you dont finish him right away, then your guna be in trouble.

[Krimzon7]

I would figure it's a feel type of thing. High risk = high reward. Interesting.

[Reavant]

its like going for a risky submission or risking taking a serious hit to deliver one. no guts no glory i guess.

[IC Champion]

no he gassed himself out. He got to crazy throwing punches from the top trying to finish brock fast and punched himself out.


It happened to me in my last fight and had my opponent not tapped from the strikes I would have been real tired in the second round.

You just would have raped him in the second round, and than fucked his wife in the cage.

[Jura]

And I would have filmed it.

[RP]

At one point Lesnar put his huge ass forearms crossed over his face and Carwin threw about 15-20 punches and hit nothing but arm. And Lesnar was actually throwing a hammer fist or two while he did this to let the ref know he was still fighting. It was rather brilliant. When he jumped out of mount position in the 2nd round, everyone in the house yelled " WTF IS HE DOING! " then we all noticed the choke and were like " oh holy shit! this guy ".

[Kris P Lettus]

Great ppv..

WAR Leban

Carwin/Lesnar will be a classic feud.. Good to see Lesnar show some humility after the fight also..

[Nark Order]

Sherdog is an absolute mess right now. It's so awesome.

Every thread is either shitting all over Lesnar, making excuses for Carwin, or explaining why Fedor is better than Lesnar.

[Jura]

I like how Carwin winked at Lesnar and Lesnar smiled before the start of the first round. It's like they knew they were putting on a good show for everyone and felt good about it.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sherdog forums are always a mess..

[IC Champion]

True that homes.

[Nark Order]

I love how focus immediately changes to the next guy that's going to "beat the fuck" out of Lesnar. Now all of the Cain nuthuggers are rearing their ugly heads.

Personally, I don't think Cain has the size or the power to win against Brock. If he doesn't have an expert game plan, it's curtains.

[VSG]

Cain better have the technique to counter Lesnar's size. I have not seen any of his fights but he looks like Lesnar can just sit on him and make him submit. What's his deal? Boxer? Ju-Jitsu?

[Kris P Lettus]

wrestler

[VSG]

wrestler

I want to say he will die in the ring, I really do.. But I will see some of his matches first.

[Krimzon7]

Great ppv..

WAR Leban

Carwin/Lesnar will be a classic feud.. Good to see Lesnar show some humility after the fight also..

Leban, Bonner...holy fuck these matches delivered! and they had to because the undercard was absolutely electrifying!

I can't wait for a Brock/Carwin 2

[Krimzon7]

I like how Carwin winked at Lesnar and Lesnar smiled before the start of the first round. It's like they knew they were putting on a good show for everyone and felt good about it.

That was the second, and it was awesome! Alsmost like Carwin got it (what it feels like to hold an entire crowd in the palm of his hand ala Wrestling) Brock was right at home with this shit.

I agree with Dana, and I quote, 'Holy Shit".

[Nark Order]

Leben is extremely adamant about wanting to coach TUF and go against Wandy. I wonder if Dana will grant the wish.

[Stickman]

Leban is a tough guy and all but I still can't stand him.

[Krimzon7]

Leben is extremely adamant about wanting to coach TUF and go against Wandy. I wonder if Dana will grant the wish.

Leben is extemely adamant about coaching, and it seems to have had a profound effect on his own progression. I hope he gets the chance to go on the Show with Vandy, who is also an excellent coach. and then they can bang it out.

After pulling such double duty, and delivering on each card, it's the LEAST Dana could do for the guy...even if he's just considering it. FFS, Leben is hot right now, why wouldn't zuffa wanna cash in on that wave of popularity (not to mention he's barking up the tree of a man nicknamed the AXE MURDERER)

[D Mac]

Just watched it. Awesome awesome shit.

[CSL]

Surely Dana can't make a decision yet about Leben being a coach yet, that would mean not fighting Wandy until like May or June 2011 etc and that's nearly a full year away. If he beats somebody else in the meantime maybe.

[Nark Order]

Surely Dana can't make a decision yet about Leben being a coach yet, that would mean not fighting Wandy until like May or June 2011 etc and that's nearly a full year away. If he beats somebody else in the meantime maybe.

I'm thinking the same thing. I doubt Leben wants to take 6 months off either, unless he's afraid of killing his own momentum.

[Crimson]

lol Leben as coach

[CSL]

Guy's got a mouth and is apparently a decent coach. If he can get a bit more 'exposure' in the near future, I don't see why not.

[Krimzon7]

Seriously, if Ortiz can coach multiple seasons (and rampage for that matter) THen why not Leben?

[Reavant]

Wanderlei is going to be off for over a year probably... thats why the idea was in leban's head. Wanderlei needs surgery I believe.

[Funky Fly]

Seriously, if Ortiz can coach multiple seasons (and rampage for that matter) THen why not Leben?

Because you have to be a big name, if not a good coach.

[Crimson]

I didn't know he had a reputation of being a good coach. If he does then all the power to him ..I just remember him from the house and losing alot of fights. Kinda like a Jardine. Always a threat to beat anyone but can lose to anyone.

But he looked great saturday . I'm sure if he coaches all his fighters will be using his signature foot stomping techinque .

[Krimzon7]

Wanderlei is going to be off for over a year probably... thats why the idea was in leban's head. Wanderlei needs surgery I believe.

If that's true, then That sucks for all of MMA.

[Reavant]

I didn't know he had a reputation of being a good coach. If he does then all the power to him ..I just remember him from the house and losing alot of fights. Kinda like a Jardine. Always a threat to beat anyone but can lose to anyone.

But he looked great saturday . I'm sure if he coaches all his fighters will be using his signature foot stomping techinque .

he was undefeated in the ufc (outside of the show) until he lost to anderson i believe

[Crimson]

What. I could swear he's lost a buncha times? I need to check his stats now -_-

[Crimson]

Oh wait I get what you said . Up until he lost to Silva he was undefeated.

I meant to say I remember him losing a bunch of fights ,overall in his UFC career up until now.

[Rammsteinmad]

Holy fucking shit! Just finished watching it last night with some friends. Insane main event.

Shame Lesnar won, I was rooting for Carwin, but obviously you could see Carwin was completely out of it when Lesnar took him down. But the first round was amazing. Who ever imagined a complete domination on behalf of Carwin like that? Making Lesnar run for a brief second and just completely destroying him.

He may have lost, but you don't make a guy like Lesnar back up unless you really are one tough one of a bitch.

Great fight and great performance from both guys. I'm eagerly awaiting a rematch. If Carwin can work on his conditioning it will be a war!

P.S. When Carwin winked I assumed it was to the camera? Oh well, cool moment anyway.