Better Wrestler #161 *HOF ROUND*

[Destor]

http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/people/img/28452_TheRock1.jpg

VS

http://www.legendschampionshipwrestling.com/uploaded_images/BretHart_wwfchamp_1-742761.jpg

Reallllly interestring show down here. Technical wrestling takes on showmanship, but who better when forced to choose? 3 days and we'll find out.
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Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</OPTION><OPTION>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</OPTION><OPTION>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</OPTION><OPTION>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</OPTION><OPTION>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</OPTION><OPTION>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</OPTION><OPTION>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</OPTION><OPTION>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</OPTION><OPTION>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</OPTION><OPTION>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</OPTION><OPTION>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</OPTION><OPTION>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</OPTION><OPTION>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</OPTION><OPTION>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</OPTION><OPTION>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</OPTION><OPTION>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</OPTION><OPTION>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</OPTION><OPTION>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</OPTION><OPTION>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</OPTION><OPTION>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</OPTION><OPTION>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</OPTION><OPTION>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</OPTION><OPTION>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</OPTION><OPTION>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</OPTION><OPTION>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</OPTION><OPTION>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</OPTION><OPTION>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</OPTION><OPTION>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</OPTION><OPTION>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</OPTION><OPTION>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</OPTION><OPTION>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</OPTION><OPTION>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</OPTION><OPTION>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</OPTION><OPTION>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</OPTION><OPTION>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</OPTION><OPTION>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</OPTION><OPTION>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</OPTION><OPTION>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</OPTION><OPTION>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</OPTION><OPTION>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</OPTION><OPTION>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</OPTION><OPTION>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</OPTION><OPTION>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</OPTION><OPTION>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</OPTION><OPTION>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</OPTION><OPTION>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</OPTION><OPTION>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</OPTION><OPTION>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</OPTION><OPTION>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</OPTION><OPTION>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</OPTION><OPTION>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</OPTION><OPTION>#118. 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Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</OPTION><OPTION>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</OPTION><OPTION>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</OPTION><OPTION>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</OPTION><OPTION>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</OPTION><OPTION>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</OPTION><OPTION>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</OPTION><OPTION>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</OPTION><OPTION>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</OPTION><OPTION>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</OPTION><OPTION>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</OPTION><OPTION>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</OPTION><OPTION>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</OPTION><OPTION>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</OPTION><OPTION>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</OPTION><OPTION>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</OPTION><OPTION>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</OPTION><OPTION>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</OPTION><OPTION>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</OPTION><OPTION>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</OPTION><OPTION>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</OPTION><OPTION>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</OPTION><OPTION>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</OPTION><OPTION>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</OPTION><OPTION>#160. The Rock vs Mankind (48-22)</OPTION></SELECT>
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Better Wrestler All Time Records (http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102087)

[XCaliber]

Two of the best the industry has ever seen so it's hard to choose but in the end my vote goes to The Rock the guy just had it all where he lacked in technical skill he made up in charisma.

[Destor]

well maybe not all. From a technical stand point he was pretty bad to be fair. but he hid it well.

[Rollermacka]

The Best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be :yes:

[SuperSlim]

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Ruien]

WHAT THE ROCK

[Biggz]

The Rock is more charasmatic and better on the mic, but this is better "wrestler" and that in no doubt goes to Bret.

[Destor]

The Rock is more charasmatic and better on the mic, but this is better "wrestler" and that in no doubt goes to Bret.
There's more to be a wreslter than headlocks JUST SAYIN

[Ruien]

Way to ruin it Biggz.........

Going with the person who I would turn my t.v on to see, not the guy who returned while I took a piss break.

[XCaliber]

If it was about wrestling Bret would win this by a landslide buddy this is about simply who's better.

[Juan]

Way to ruin it Biggz.........

Going with the person who I would turn my t.v on to see, not the guy who returned while I took a piss break.

Wow, Sound logic you got there.

[Destor]

I just cant figure out who he's talkin about

[Krimzon7]

If the poll was better Workrate,or Moveset, then you could all cry Bret unopposed.

Like Destor said, kliq for life, 'there's more to being a wrestler than headlocks'. While both were draws, and were insanely over as faces and heels, I give my vote to The Rock. This guy was a great athlete. what did you do the first time you saw Rocky kip up? Who else could make an elbow THE MOST ELECTRIFYING MOVE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT? And which WM Moment do YOU REmember most about Hulk Hogan? Him slamming Andre, or him going ONE ON ONE WITH THE GREAT ONE? The guy was fucking epic in so many aspects, it was ridiculous

[Destor]

I voted for Bret just for the record. I just hate it when people say better wrestler is only about workrate/technical wrestling. There's like 10,000 parts to wrestling. workrate and technique are just 2. so annoying...

[Krimzon7]

I don't think there is a wrong answer. Brett is great a lot of things and the Rock is great at a lot of things. few of the things that they are great at are simliar.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It always irked me that Rocky decided to add the sharpshooter to his big match repertoire, but never bothered to learn how do it correctly. Like you'd think someone might mention it in passing, or he might see an old Hart match and be like "Aw man mine doesn't look anything like that."

[Tazz Dan]

I wonder how many people will vote against Bret using his WM angle as an excuse while totally ignoring 'The Blue Chipper' Rocky Maivia which was possibly one of the worst gimmicks ever? Or maybe not, but whatever.

I'm a fan of both guys, and The Rock fitted in great for a few years during the Attitude Era, but nothing he did in the ring could ever compete with Bret from the late eighties to mid nineties.

Also, I get that defining 'better' isn't just about in-ring work, but The Rock was a freak on the mic and not many people in history could compare with his charisma on it, especially in Brets day, so I don't think it's fair to hold that against Bret.

So yeah, Bret gets my vote here.

[Wishbone]

Bret because for god's sake he's the freakin' Hitman!

[El Fangel]

...IS COOKING!

[Destor]

I voted Bret. Mostly cause I think the rock was one of the most boring wreslters ever in ring. Just a routine guy. Go in, have the paint by numbers match, go home...and the opffense...just so bad. Either retarded concepts (float over DDT and the peoples elbow) or poorly executed (everything else.) Also his baby face promos are very terrible. Poop and penis jokes for everybody...such shit. Loved his heel work from the nation run the corperation run and the hollywood run promo wise but the matches reminds relitively unchanged. The Rock could sell his ass off though I'll give him that. Basically...he's exactly like Cena cept less people noticed he sucked.

[4 knuckles up]

Bah- So close.

I went with the Rock, because he's so damn close to the HOF. I know Bret will get in one day.

As for The Rock being a "routine guy" -Fair enough, your opinion, but I think at worst Rocky was perfectly adequate. When you're the best talker in the buisness, you'll always have to work hard to back it up in the ring. (Though agreed, his sharpshooter was wrong!)

[Krimzon7]

Rocky never hurt anyone in the ring, and shitty or not he could tell a hell of a story in his paint by numbers matches. Desty touched on his comparison to Cena, we're missing one absolutely obvious part here: He was totally company. He put over whoever, whenever the WWE asked him to. HHH? no problem. Stone Cold? Gotcha. Brock? Sure Vince, thanks for the movie role. Goldberg? ...Vince, these are really nice checks. You got it brother. Hogan? Ugh, this company shit is...I wasn't raised like that, sure vince I'll job. If there are a bunch of different factors to being a wrestler, then attitude has to be a factor. He was good in the locker room, also.

[Tazz Dan]

Krimzon, you know I love you man, but who did Bret ever hurt in the ring? Nobody. And Bret put over everyone he was ever asked to, including Shawn over plenty of times. Does WM12 not ring a bell? Let's not get into a whole "Montreal Incident' discussion here though.

[James Steele]

Krimzon, you know I love you man, but who did Bret ever hurt in the ring? Nobody. And Bret put over everyone he was ever asked to, including Shawn over plenty of times. Does WM12 not ring a bell? Let's not get into a whole "Montreal Incident' discussion here though.

:lol:

How dare Vince McMahon ask Bret to put over someone who is more over and better than Bret.

[El Fangel]

Rock got me to watch wrestling, without him I wouldnt be on this board.

[Tazz Dan]

Now come on James, I'm a fan of both Bret AND Shawn. Montreal aside for a moment, just remember who did Shawn go over to win his first title? Now tell me, when did Shawn ever drop the belt back to Bret? I'm not saying Bret was right in his part of 'Montreal' and I don't want to go into that argument. At that time everyone knows those two guys hated each other and we also know Bret wanted to drop the belt to Austin, who was way more popular at the time than HBK.

But yeah, this isn't about that, it's about who was better between Bret and The Rock. And I believe Bret was.

[Tazz Dan]

Rock got me to watch wrestling, without him I wouldnt be on this board.

Is that not a good enough reason to vote against The Rock?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Really, you shouldn't be voting against anyone. That's not the purpose of this competition at all. If you dislike someone so much that you want to vote against them, but you don't think their opponent is a better wrestler, then just don't vote.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Not calling you out, Tazz Dan, as I know that's not why you voted. You just jogged my memory.

[The Mackem]

I voted Bret. Mostly cause I think the rock was one of the most boring wreslters ever in ring. Just a routine guy. Go in, have the paint by numbers match, go home...and the opffense...just so bad. Either retarded concepts (float over DDT and the peoples elbow) or poorly executed (everything else.) Also his baby face promos are very terrible. Poop and penis jokes for everybody...such shit. Loved his heel work from the nation run the corperation run and the hollywood run promo wise but the matches reminds relitively unchanged. The Rock could sell his ass off though I'll give him that. Basically...he's exactly like Cena cept less people noticed he sucked.

you can't say that Destor I got crucified for saying that in one of the earlier rounds.

[The Mackem]

I really do like the Rock and he was at the top when wrestling was at it's top but I think Bret was probably the most important guy in wrestling in the way that he helped keep the WWF going in the wake of the steroid trials and the vacuum left when most of the top guys were gone.

[Tazz Dan]

Not calling you out, Tazz Dan, as I know that's not why you voted. You just jogged my memory.

Yeah, I know and I agree with you.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I will never not vote for Bret because he's my favorite of all time and I love him.

The Rock was entertaining, but I remember even during his prime becoming quite bored with him as a face and wishing he would fuck off. His heel runs and Hollyrock were epic, though.

Regardless, nobody beats the Hitman.

[James Steele]

I will never not vote for Bret because he's my favorite of all time and I love him.

The Rock was entertaining, but I remember even during his prime becoming quite bored with him as a face and wishing he would fuck off. His heel runs and Hollyrock were epic, though.

Regardless, nobody beats the Hitman.

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[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't understand what you're trying to do there, but I don't think I appreciate it.

[James Steele]

I don't understand what you're trying to do there, but I don't think I appreciate it.

I mean no offense, but this website is awesome and I figured I'd get my image reserves up for a rainy day.

[VSG]

What website is that anyway? I was thinking you were alluding to HBK being better than Bret Hart back there before remembering those pics from the 100,000 replies thread.

[James Steele]

What website is that anyway? I was thinking you were alluding to HBK being better than Bret Hart back there before remembering those pics from the 100,000 replies thread.

How do you imply the obvious? :p

www.photofunia.com

[Nicky Fives]

sorry Rock :(..... I gotta go with Bret

[thedamndest]

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vs.

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Should not be a tough call.

[Rammsteinmad]

I went with The Rock, but this was one hell of a tough round.

Both men are amazing at what they do, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Bret was a huge part of my childhood growing up as a wrestling fan, and that picture used for him made it tough to vote against him, but The Rock just has THAT electricity that makes you wanna watch him.

For the record though, Rock's Sharpshooter was always God-awful. :nono:

[Haze]

Tough choice, but had to go with Bret on this one. Rock was great, but his matches were way to predictable too many times.

[Jeritron]

Rock matches may have gotten to a paint-by-numbers status over the years because of how over those big spots became.

As far as his performance in the ring, I think it can be a bit understated. He brought an energy and pace to the match that was very exciting. His matches were almost always intense and entertaining.
He was not the greatest wrestler of alltime from bell to bell, but he was a great storyteller. Perhaps a lot of this, and his slew of great matches, are a result of his peers as well. He had the advantage of working with a pool of guys who could all do great things.
He also wrestled at a time where the crowd was hotter than ever. He had amazing crowd control, and a rabid crowd can be an x-factor in a match. I think that added a lot to his matches where he may have lacked in other departments.

I recall hearing Benoit talk about how he watched The Rock wrestle from WCW, and wondered to himself how good he really was in the ring or not. He said he stepped into the ring with him the first time and after that he said "wow this guy can go."

That's just one man's opinion, but I always sort of felt like Rock had a lot of skills that may have been overshadowed by the style WWF likely prefered he work, or the limitations he had. I don't think The Rock was near Bret's league in terms of the bell to bell performance, but I also don't feel comfortable writing him off.

These two probably rank close to eachother in my pantheon of favorite wrestlers. I was never the biggest mark for either of them, but I also have always enjoyed both. I think both are great and during their peaks, I was definitely way into their work. I never really became on of the disciples of either though. It seems as these two guys have faithful legions on here, almost moresoe than any other two wrestlers.

What I enjoy from both wrestlers are pretty different things, but comes out pretty equal in the end. I am going to go with Bret here, but at different points I could probably swing it in the Rock's favor.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the rosters at the time each peaked are part of the reason I'm not all over the Rocky bandwagon. Like when Bret was the man, it was him and HBK. Those were the guys, and everyone else was a step down.

With Rock, he was great, but he wasn't on Austin or Angle or even Benoit's level in the ring. Those to me were the elite of the elite during Rock's peak. And then you've got Jericho, Eddie, and Triple H who were all better in the ring than Rock too.

So I dunno, not really Rock's fault but it definitely weighs in the decision for me.

[Seth82]

gotta go with Bret

Rock was not even in his league

[Joesgonnakillyou]

I went with Bret, a decision i found impossibly hard to make.

But at the end of the day, I prefer Hart's style to The Rock's. It's so close it just came to the fact I'd rather watch a technical match than a brawl.

[Tazz Dan]

The Rock.

What about him?

[Ultra Mantis]

Bret Hart is a jam up guy, but I voted for The Rock on a slight margin. I was never really a huge fan of either guy but I appreciate their very differant skill sets and how they both played to their strengths.

[Krimzon7]

Krimzon, you know I love you man, but who did Bret ever hurt in the ring? Nobody. And Bret put over everyone he was ever asked to, including Shawn over plenty of times. Does WM12 not ring a bell? Let's not get into a whole "Montreal Incident' discussion here though.

Tazz, the love is appreciate and requited. I was making that statement to counter people talking about how sloppy the Rock's ring work was. I take absolutely nothing from Bret, and he was right all the way up to and through the screwjob.

And you for Mod!

[Gertner]

Ugh, fuck off with this Bret Hart shit. Great wrestler, terrible draw, one of the lowest rated WWF champs ever. Rock is leaps and bounds better.

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, Bret never drew a dime did he? :roll:

The Rock never would have made it when Bret was at his best because people cared more about the actual wrestling back then. Rock would have been upper midcard at best. And I say this being a HUGE Rock mark.

[Gertner]

Does Kevin Nash have to bring out his chart again?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bret was a low draw because he was stuck wrestling people like Kevin Nash.

[Nark Order]

Bret was just charismatic in a different way than the Rock was. I appreciate both guys but I voted Rock simply because I grew up watching him more than I grew up watching Bret. I started watching wrestling while Bret was still around (probably started around WM 13) but I got to see the evolution of The Rock as it was happening.

[Krimzon7]

There was a comment made here stating that Brett was better because he was in his prime during a down time in the WWF. Rock shined because he had so much talent around him.
Now again, I am not taking this time to shit on Brett (there's plenty of time for that). I will say that when you are in a talent filled company, and you are still able to stand out, it means more to me. Rock was an all star on a championship Roster in the Attitude Era. Every move he did had people on their feet. That attributes to the paint by numbers routine, it wasn't like he was Goldberg in the ring (No sell, Spear, Jackhammer). His in ring storytelling was second to none!

I think we're splitting hairs here, and I definitely think that it's a travesty that neither of these HOF'ers aren't BW HOF'ers.

[Gertner]

Hart had Hogan, Nash , HBK, Sid, Taker in the company when he main evented so the draws were there.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hey Krimzon, you fucking knob, stop spelling Bret with two t's.

[Lock Jaw]

I've been thinking about this real hard.

There's no doubt that Bret was the better "wrestler" in the pure sense of that word (IE, ring ability)

There is also no doubt that The Rock was the better "entertainer".

So I have to boil it down and look at each man... and judge them on how much entertainment and enjoyment they have given me personally over the years.

Using that criteria... I think Bret Hart gets the slight nod over The Rock here for me.

That being said, I am going to ignore that and vote The Rock anyways, because he should be in the HoF. Bret will be back.

[JoeCool]

The Rock was definitely entertaining and fun to watch. He was charismatic and a great mic worker. He gave some of the greatest interviews. He put on some great matches, like his "I Quit" match with Mankind at Royal Rumble 1999 and his match with Stone Cold at Wrestlemania XV. I don't take into account his "paint by numbers" wrestling matches or lack of technical wrestling or however you want to put it because that was simply how he was booked to work. Although, I definitely gotta agree, The Rock had one of the worst ever Sharpshooters ever.

But, my vote definitely has to go to Bret. He's my 2nd favorite wrestler(right after Hulk Hogan). He may not have been the most charismatic or the best mic worker, but he is arguably the best technical wrestler ever. His technical wrestling and workrate in the ring was second to none. His matches told a story. Some of his matches are among my all time favorites.

His match against Mr. Perfect at Summer Slam '91 was amazing. It was spectacular. Probably my favorite match ever.

His rematch with Mr. Perfect at King of the Ring '93 was a close runner-up. Very great match. A classic.

His match with Rowdy Roddy Piper at Wrestlemania VIII was great.

His Steel Cage match against Owen at Summerslam '94 was epic. Best Steel Cage match I've ever seen.

He even made that fat tub of lard,Yokozuna, look good at Wrestle Mania IX and X.

Even his tag team matches in the Hart Foundation. The Hart Foundation vs. The Nasty Boys at Wrestlemania VII was a classic.

My vote definitely has to go to Bret.

[The Gold Standard]

Bret is the best.

[Destor]

you know, i really expected the rock to be dominating right about now...

[Emperor Smeat]

Such a tough matchup to pick since both wrestlers were great and both are easily Hall candidates.

The Rock might not be good in terms of wrestling skills but his selling of certain moves, promo ability, charisma, and having the crowd totally in his hand ready to react to anything he did. He had great feuds during the Attitude Era with Stone Cold as his and that Era's greatest feud while also putting over Orton and Hurricane Helms during his brief return back to the WWE.

Bret Hart might not be as quality as the Rock in terms of promos and charisma but his wrestling skill was one of the best during the early to mid-1990s WWF era. Like the Rock he also had great and big name feuds in both the WWF era and Attitude era with his feud against HBK as his and WWF's biggest during its low period. He also was influential in putting over Stone Cold during the Wrestlemania match where Stone Cold passed out from pain rather than tap to the Sharpshooter.

I end up picking The Rock by slightest margins mostly because of Rock vs Hogan Wrestlemania 18 just based on how insane hot the crowd was and how much improvising the Rock could do in an instant since he switched from a face to heel within seconds to "play" with the crowd cheering Hogan.

[Nark Order]

Why don't you guys just vote Rock into the Hall of Fame and wait for Bret to come back. I swear, we have some horrible strategists in this thread.

[Gertner]

Lol Hart didn't put Austin over. Hart never put anybody over. Bret Hart was a selfish ass.

[Destor]

Why don't you guys just vote Rock into the Hall of Fame and wait for Bret to come back. I swear, we have some horrible strategists in this thread.

this is fucking retarded. the point of this thread is to vote for who is better not who you want in the hall of fame. beyond that you cant assume this is going to keep going long enough to get bret in. im not going to disclose the number itself but were only letting so many in the hall of fame.

so vote honestly guys, because bret may NOT have another turn.

[Nark Order]

If only The Rock were dead or a stroke victim. DAMN YOU, FATE!

[Tazz Dan]

Lol Hart didn't put Austin over. Hart never put anybody over. Bret Hart was a selfish ass.

You aren't serious are you?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Doesn't a wrestler have to sit out like 50 rounds if he loses? Shut up, Narcissus.

[Nark Order]

"I did it for... The Bret" just sounds stupid though.

[Destor]

Doesn't a wrestler have to sit out like 50 rounds if he loses? Shut up, Narcissus.

yes, 50 rounds.

[Nark Order]

Small price to pay!

[Destor]

it is if bret never gets another shot.

[Nark Order]

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9283/bretburn.gif

[The Mackem]

If there are limited spots, I'm glad Taz got in there early.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey Narc, when Bret had his 5th round match against HBK, who'd you vote for?

[Nark Order]

I'm not sure. I'm not even a "textbook" Bret hater. In fact, I'm reading his autobiography right now. Just a shame to see Rock get to the finals to be dethroned.

[Innovator]

I went with Bret, just cause Bret was my childhood.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm not sure. I'm not even a "textbook" Bret hater. In fact, I'm reading his autobiography right now. Just a shame to see Rock get to the finals to be dethroned.

You voted for HBK btw.

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

I did it for the Hitman!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Narcissus is the worst kind of dickhead.

[Nark Order]

I'm not seeing where all the hate is coming from? Are you suggesting that I'm voting against Bret Hart because I like Shawn Michaels? I already explained to you why I voted for The Rock.

Apparently nobody can like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart at the same time. It doesn't matter whom I think is better. I like them both.

And of course Shawn Michaels got dragged into this, despite this thread having nothing to do with him.

[Kapoutman]

Bret and Shawn are my favorite wrestlers.

[Jeritron]

I'm not seeing where all the hate is coming from? Are you suggesting that I'm voting against Bret Hart because I like Shawn Michaels? I already explained to you why I voted for The Rock.

Apparently nobody can like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart at the same time. It doesn't matter whom I think is better. I like them both.

And of course Shawn Michaels got dragged into this, despite this thread having nothing to do with him.

I think he's referencing the fact that you voted for Shawn to deny Rock access into the HOF the last time around. That would mean you voted preference and not for an easy HOF entry, which is the opposite of what you're saying here.
I believe they faced in The Rock's 5th round, and Shawn won. I could be wrong.

[Tazz Dan]

Yeah, you're pretty much spot on there Jeritorn. Sorry Narc, but he's right.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I was talking about voting against Bret when it was his turn to get into the HOF, but yeah that's essentially it.

[Jeritron]

It is absolutely true that you should vote on who you want to win, and not take HOF inductions for granted. Plans are confidential, but entry is not guarunteed for all favorites.

[Nark Order]

Well, if rounds are scarce then The Rock may not have another turn. My loyalties lie with The Rock over Bret.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's fine. But your logic is flawed.

[Nark Order]

My logic isn't flawed, you're just overthinking things because you want to "catch me cornered". I thought that Better Wrestler would go well beyond another 50 rounds, seeing as how it hasn't stopped yet. Even now though, now knowing that the rounds may be numbered, I still don't believe Bret should go in over The Rock.

And when I voted HBK over Bret it's because I think that HBK is infinitely better than Bret ever was. A hall of fame without Bret Hart is passable to me, a Hall of Fame without HBK would be a travesty. All my opinion of course. I still like Bret Hart and am a fan of many Bret matches, I'm just not "as into him" as everyone else.

[Destor]

voting based off the hall of fame is stupid and defetes the purpose of this thread.

[Nark Order]

I'm not doing that. I think Shawn was better than Bret and I think The Rock was better than Bret.

[Nark Order]

And anyhow, it's been stated many times before that you can vote based on any criteria that you'd like.

[Jeritron]

Why don't you guys just vote Rock into the Hall of Fame and wait for Bret to come back. I swear, we have some horrible strategists in this thread.

[Jeritron]

And anyhow, it's been stated many times before that you can vote based on any criteria that you'd like.

Didn't you spend like 3 pages arguing against this concept once in a previous thread?
Narc, I love you but you're digging a hole here

[Nark Order]

No, I'm not.

[Nark Order]

I said what I said before somebody just told me that rounds were limited.

[Destor]

you can vote on any criteria that lets you decide who is better narc. voting on who you want in the hall of fame isnt voting for who you think is better. i used to like you, but im beggining to beleive that youre the biggest idiot on this board.

[Nark Order]

Destor, what are you not understanding here? Shawn was better than Bret Hart. The Rock was better than Bret Hart. These things are what I believe. What is ambiguous about these statements?

I didn't know before that the rounds were going to be limited. I feel like you just want an argument.

[Destor]

you dont read what you post do you?

[Nark Order]

No, you don't read what I post. You just really want to argue with me. It makes you feel wonderful about yourself or something. I've done everything possible to clarify myself to diffuse an argument and you just want to argue. Go ahead, hot shot. Keep arguing.

[Jeritron]

Pop quiz hot shot

[Nark Order]

I've got another B+ left in me.

[The Mackem]

Why is there going to be a limit on this anyway?

[Juan]

*quiet juan*

[Destor]

there are reasons.

[Juan]

Oh shit. my bad

[James Steele]

I'm not sure. I'm not even a "textbook" Bret hater. In fact, I'm reading his autobiography right now. Just a shame to see Rock get to the finals to be dethroned.

Just like when Triple H got royally fucked.

[The Mackem]

there are reasons.

And they are...

[Destor]

CONFIDENTIAL

[The Mackem]

Fucking dictatorship, where's Outsider when you need him.

[The Mackem]

Mod elections

[Destor]

LOL. if too much is said it will comprimise the remaining rounds with people like narc on this board.

[The Mackem]

FFS Narc, look what you did.

[The Mackem]

I just can't stay mad at Narc.

[Krimzon7]

Well, I would like to send out a hearty FUCKING FUCKS SAKE, for the Rock gettting snubbed again.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why don't you send out an apology to Bret Hart for spelling his name with two T's as well.

[Tazz Dan]

Maybe he's read Have a Nice Day too many times?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, Narc, it's fine that you think Shawn and The Rock are both better than Bret, and maybe that's why you voted as such, but to even bring up the Hall of Fame notion would obviously make people think that's what your vote was based on. Surely you can understand that.

[Gertner]

You aren't serious are you?

Bret didn't put Austin over. Austin lost the damn match so how does that equal Bret putting him over? He was a bitch during the HBK thing and a terrible champ. The WWF almost went bankrupt with Bret as champ. It wasn't until he left that the WWE recovered.

[XCaliber]

Bret didn't put Austin over. Austin lost the damn match so how does that equal Bret putting him over? He was a bitch during the HBK thing and a terrible champ. The WWF almost went bankrupt with Bret as champ. It wasn't until he left that the WWE recovered.

Wrong the WWE was in the worst shape while Michaels was at the top he's even admitted to that himself.