Why do you hate John Cena?

[SaskatchewanChamp]

O.K. I get it, the IWC hates John Cena. However, I believe that most of you only hate him because it is the cool thing to do, and because you are a sheep.

John Cena leads the way in merch sales, he is in at least a year, and is the face of the WWE. He works the hardest, and is by far the busiest wrestler in the business today. That being said let me hear (read) the 2 top reasons why you hate him.

[The Pope]

1) He sucks in the ring
2) He sucks outside the ring

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Was there a shitty posters convention where you all decided to work the word sheep into your daily vocabularies?

[VSG]

I don't hate him, I am a Cena Friend.

[The Pope]

SaskatchewanChamp, do you like him?

[SaskatchewanChamp]

SaskatchewanChamp, do you like him?

Nope, and here is why;

1) He was forced down our throats from the beginning. The guy seemed invincible, and quite frankly I got sick of him playing the "Over coming the odds" guy.

2) I have never seen such over acting since Jim Carey ( LOVE him by the way) in Liar Liar. The guy screams as if he isn't talking into a microphone.

3) The way he has been talked up by the announcers. Jerry and Cole have beaten the horse to death about how Cena over comes all adversary, and it really irritates me.


Now, I don't bash Cena because of his ability in the ring. His character doesn't call for anything flashy ( he is basically Hogan of the 80's).

My reasons are a lot better than ;

1) He sucks in the ring
2) He sucks outside the ring

[The Pope]

Mine are true:
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[Perry Saturn]

he's just overrated

[DrCrawford]

i like his outside the ring work. he really cares about the product which is good. but i hate his gimmick. i hate his over coming the odds, and i just dont find his matches entertaining. at all.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

His gimmick is good for the kids, I will give him that, and the WWE is ALL about the kids. Which I do not totally disagree with. I mean if you go back to the 1980's and some of the 90's the WWF was also mainly for the kids. Wrestling, well Vince's "Sports Entertainment" has come full circle.

[XCaliber]

There are more deserving talents that deserve his spot plain and simple.

[The Pope]

There are more deserving talents that deserve his spot plain and simple.

Oh, ok now I understand. This should've been the original argument.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

There are more deserving talents that deserve his spot plain and simple.

How so? Like I said in the original post, he leads in merch sold, he has the biggest work load of any superstar, the kids love him. What talent are you specifically talking about?

[Th3R0CKSays]

Because he embodies everything that I loathe about the WWE and Professional Wrestling.

[jskinnyg]

[QUOTE=SaskatchewanChamp;3156797]Nope, and here is why;

1) He was forced down our throats from the beginning. The guy seemed invincible, and quite frankly I got sick of him playing the "Over coming the odds" guy.

2) I have never seen such over acting since Jim Carey ( LOVE him by the way) in Liar Liar. The guy screams as if he isn't talking into a microphone.

3) The way he has been talked up by the announcers. Jerry and Cole have beaten the horse to death about how Cena over comes all adversary, and it really irritates me.


Now, I don't bash Cena because of his ability in the ring. His character doesn't call for anything flashy ( he is basically Hogan of the 80's).

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Nicely summed up... Basically the reasons I don't like him at all... But I will never fault a man who works his ass off for the shit he loves the most... If you can go to work everyday and love your job, then you are VERY lucky... I have been that lucky for years...

That being said, still can't stand CENA, but I have a ton of respect for his work ethic...

[Rollermacka]

Was there a shitty posters convention where you all decided to work the word sheep into your daily vocabularies?

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Lol, we should start using the word sheep like the Smufs used the word smurf in the cartoon.


"So Supreme, did you get any sheep last night?" :naughty:

[Jura]

As an asset to wrestling he's one of the best. He pulls in money, crowd reactions (good or bad) he's a hard worker and has a passion for wrestling. From a product and entertainment standpoint he's irritating at times, sometimes to the point of cringe-worthy. Females like him only because they are attracted to him which is half, if not most, of his fan base and then the kids that make up the rest don't know any better and will obviously like the most popular face in wrestling at the time.

He's made to look like a machine. Tonight he got beat down and suffered 2 or 3 finishers from Nexus and a couple minutes later decks Barrett and runs out of the ring really quick like he barely wrestled at all. Wtf is that? He was in a last man standing match with Batista not too long ago and he was down until just right before the count to 10 he magically springs up like nothing ever happened.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I don't like anything about the guy in or out of the ring.

1.) As others have said he was forced down everyone's throats (and still is to this day, with or without the WWE or World Heavyweight Championship). He once held the belt for over a year (380 days, from September 17, 2006 to October 2, 2007) and likely would have held it for even longer still had it not been for the fact that Cena had suffered a torn pectoral tendon on RAW the night before.

2.) He's actually (despite the opinions of others) quite terrible on the mic, delivering a new "I'll find my way out of the latest mess unscathed, just you wait and see!" speech just about every single fucking week, and it's just old now. Add to the fact that he tailors it to be directed almost entirely towards the 12-and-under crowd by using arena-silencing puns that would make only them laugh, and it's just enough to make your ears bleed.

So there you have it...two solid reasons why I not only CAN, but SHOULD hate John Cena, as should everyone else.

[PullMyFinger]

I really hate Cena and can't stand him. But hear me out...

1 - As a whole, I respect Cena completely. Probably moreso than 91% of other wrestlers out there. He is probably the hardest working employee in WWE, and has continually busted his ass for the company and the fans. He is the prototype WWE employee really in the post-Attitude post-WWF era. He is safe, efficient, loyal to the company, put A LOT of wrestlers over, and Vince's crown PR jewel. Basically, he is VERY professional when it comes down to it. And good for him for being like that, everyone should.

2 - As far as people hating him for his work rate is concerned, thats absolutely retarded. No one cares about workrate except for the IWC. Cena may not be your ROH guy with 1000 moveset, but he is more of an entertainer than those guys could ever dream of. He is like Hogan, not that much of a great wrestler, but they put a lot of butts in the seat with their natural charisma. To me work rate defining a wrestler is trash.

3 - The reason why I hate Cena is because of his on screen character. It annoys me. He's too much of a babyface, the ultimate of all good guys. To the point where its unbelievable. You don't find those people in real life, it doesn't reflect how society really is. Okay fine, there are some people like that out there, and most people get annoyed with their goody two shoes personality real quick. He is the babyface we used to see in the old days, pre-Attitude era that fans just got sick of cheering for. Furthermore, it didn't help when he was being pushed down everyones throat a couple years ago going on a 1+ year long championship reign and being Super Cena. But today's Cena is a lot better than that one (which was the worst). Maybe I'm just an older guy and not the kids that WWE markets toward, who can see past all that. The character has 0 balls. He needs to turn heel.

That's all.

[nojomo]

1. "The Champ is Still Here" used to be impactful, but now when he strips down to those generic sk8er shorts and growls his voice, makes the vains in his neck pop out, it's one of those really awkward things you see on TV from time to time.

2. When Big Show chokeslammed him off the stage, and through a spotlight, I was 90% sure he was gonna get up and hit the Attitude Adjustment for the win. That's how over pushed he was, to refer to the others, it was unrealistic and unbelievable, sure this sounds stupid when I talk about something that did happen realisticly, but all of the Cena vs Raw Roster, Cena vs so and so in triple threat, getting his ass kicked, oh wait he some how has the stength to climb the turnbuckle, botch Kelly Kelly's bulldog, toss the other person out of the ring, he than takes the time to hit the 5ks, than the Attitude Adjustment. Oh wait he has to drop the person because other dude is up, oh wait he has both of them on his shoulders somewhere. OMG half impact on both men, and the pin. THE CHAMP IS STILL HIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!

{edit: 3. Just realised how much I wrote, wtf, I hate Cena that much. That's what most people would call an eye open'r. Look at how so many people constantly hate on Cena. It's no bandwagon, we just fucking hate him}

Now I'll give summory/list of when I liked Cena and why.

1. When he wasn't limited by PG, back on Smackdown. He was fueding with JBL, and I laughed so hard at something that was obviously fake. JBL (WWE Champion) has a no-physical-contact clause. JBL out on SD for a promo. Cena's music hits and he goes and spraypaints Bradshaw's fucking limo. "JBL Sucks" I believe. He walks down to the ring with a mic and sprays FU across JBL's chest, (he's wearing a suit). Cena keeps saying "I'm not touching you" In a childlike voice. That was when I liked Cena, and if he had of kept with his punk-ass persona, I think we'd all like him, and the little kids.

The PG rating turned Cena into a mindfuck.

2. His merchandising skilz.... FUCK THAT. any little piece of shit kid can get mommy and daddy to buy his crap. While teenagers and adults, have more important shit to spend their money on (recession much). Merchandising is the only defense people have for Cena. And as someone who has one RVD shirt and one edge shirt. Maybe we should be asking the older members what shirt they would buy, if WWE gear was a priority, as if in a child's eyes.

[BizarroKing]

I don't really hate Cena. It's just that...

HE NEVER LOSES!

[Mike Honcho]

A better question would be, why do you LIKE John Cena?

[AJHayes]

I hate Cena because he is shit in the ring (superman), shit on the mic (example: promo on Seamus last night), and he is being shoved down our throats... still.

He is the purest representation of sports entertainment. I really hate sports entertainment.

[dhellova guy]

You are all lying to yourselves. You know the only reason you hate John Cena is because he could have any of your girls.

Granted, he is not the most technically sound wrestler today, but I can think of worse. Batista comes to mind. At least Cena adds to his arsenal new moves every so often. He cares about his profession, unlike most wrestlers today.

Are there most deserving talent out there? Maybe. Were there more deserving talent then Hogan in the 80's? Yep. But Vince rides his horses until they break. Its his MO. Get over your jealousy people.

[Xero]

It's not a matter of jealousy (come on, really?), it's a matter of taste in the product, and Cena embodies what a lot of use hate about Sports Entertainment.

I've said in the past, I have unlimited respect for Cena, I think he's a great wrestler when he wants to be and is allowed to properly go, I think he can promo well when it's called for, I think he has charisma out the ass and I think he is the absolute best PR man the WWE has ever had. He is the absolute best man, at this moment, to be at the top of and the face of the company.

It just so happens that he has a gimmick that I and many others don't like, and we're vocal about it. The gimmick also dictates his in-ring style and his promo style. It's all about Cena's gimmick, at least for me.

[dhellova guy]

It's not a matter of jealousy (come on, really?), it's a matter of taste in the product, and Cena embodies what a lot of use hate about Sports Entertainment.

I've said in the past, I have unlimited respect for Cena, I think he's a great wrestler when he wants to be and is allowed to properly go, I think he can promo well when it's called for, I think he has charisma out the ass and I think he is the absolute best PR man the WWE has ever had. He is the absolute best man, at this moment, to be at the top of and the face of the company.

It just so happens that he has a gimmick that I and many others don't like, and we're vocal about it. The gimmick also dictates his in-ring style and his promo style. It's all about Cena's gimmick, at least for me.

So you think he can wrestle well, cut good promos and have unlimited respect for him, but you hate his "gimmick"? That is the most ass-tarded thing i've ever heard.

I hated Ricky Steamboats fire breathing dragon gimmick. I hated Tito Santanas matador gimmick. I didnt boo the shit out of them everytime they hit the ring.

It all boils down to simple jealousy. He is a pretty boy, (I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that) so he cant possibly be a good wrestler. Shawn Michaels faced the same delema for a while. Pure and simple, people do not like him because he is cheered by every female in the building.

[Jimmy Cones]

So you think he can wrestle well, cut good promos and have unlimited respect for him, but you hate his "gimmick"? That is the most ass-tarded thing i've ever heard.

I hated Ricky Steamboats fire breathing dragon gimmick. I hated Tito Santanas matador gimmick. I didnt boo the shit out of them everytime they hit the ring.

It all boils down to simple jealousy. He is a pretty boy, (I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that) so he cant possibly be a good wrestler. Shawn Michaels faced the same delema for a while. Pure and simple, people do not like him because he is cheered by every female in the building.

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[Kane Knight]

You are all lying to yourselves. You know the only reason you hate John Cena is because he could have any of your girls.

That makes sense. After all, Orton is the second most hated wrest...Oh, wait, he's not.

[Innovator]

Please never compare Shawn Michaels and Cena again.

[CSL]

John Cena is the fucking man.

[Kane Knight]

Please never compare Shawn Michaels and Cena again.

I'm not sure if the guy's trolling or trying to be funny, but that is a pretty awful comparison, when you consider how well liked Michaels is, even though he got the estrogen pop.

[dhellova guy]

I'm not sure if the guy's trolling or trying to be funny, but that is a pretty awful comparison, when you consider how well liked Michaels is, even though he got the estrogen pop.

Michaels felt the same backlash that Cena is feeling when he first won the title. All of the sudden he was getting booed for no reason at all. Go back and watch matches from about october until he lost to Sid. He was booed. And why? People didnt like his gimmick? No, it was because he was a good looking guy, and fans decided they didnt like that.

The same thing is happening with Cena. He was popular for a long time, but the more women who liked him, the more men decided to boo him. You can give me every other reason in the book that you want, but the fact remains: a good looking wrestler who gets a higher profile will atract more women fans and less male fans.

The cure for this problem is to turn heal. Or to be a heal. That is why Orton is still well liked. Cause guys dig heal.

[Kane Knight]

Ah, the power of magical thinking.

[CSL]

'Turn Heal' sounds like some kind of Jap hospital-based RPG.

[dhellova guy]

Ah, the power of magical thinking.

How so sir? Clarify your argument to the contrary.

[Londoner]

Don't even care enough to hate or like him anymore tbh.

[Innovator]

Don't even care enough to hate or like him anymore tbh.
Honestly this is how I feel. I turned back to the HR Derby last night once he stated talking. He isn't half bad when he's serious, but hes happy and campy all the time now. You just lost the WWE Title, and you make mayo jokes. You got jumped by 7 guys, joke joke joke. If HBK got jumped by 7 guys, he wouldn't joke around, he'd forfeit the IC title.

[Innovator]

Just assuming you're being serious with the HBK comments, guys liked HBK because they were entertained once he got in the ring, you could count on him to deliver.

[dhellova guy]

Just assuming you're being serious with the HBK comments, guys liked HBK because they were entertained once he got in the ring, you could count on him to deliver.

Yes, but that doesnt change the fact that he was getting booed during his first title run.

Shawn is my favorite wrestler of all time, his talent is far superior to Cenas in every aspect. They are similar in the fact that they are good looking guys who got booed at one point of another because of it.

[bigslimjj]

I hate Cena.I hate his face,i hate his goofy promos,I hate his stupid ring attire.i hate that he does the same damn moves in every match,almost in the same order as the last match.I hate that one of the worst in ring wrestlers i've ever seen is made out to be some submission expert.I'd rather watch Rob Terry vs. Khali then Cena vs. anyone.plus his movies suck real,real hard.almost every scene in the marine was him jumping out of exploding buildings.I hate that he is the face of WWEPG

[Innovator]

Bigslimjj does have a point THAT WE CANNOT OVERLOOK.

The man wears jean shorts. jorts.

[VSG]

The woman who jumped the ring last night to meet Cena didn't hate him.

[MrMyc]

Michaels was getting boos then because he had turned into a kiss ass babyface. He was still great in the ring but a gimmick can kill someones momentum. Kiss ass stripper man is not someone most wrestling fans want to cheer.

[MrMyc]

Nobody is concerned about a wrestler coming to steal our girls. Women who didn't watch wrestling knew and loved the Rock yet he somehow kept a strong male fanbase

[bigslimjj]

no girl for wrestlers to steal at the moment.cena like's hot man a$$ anyway.So Im really not worried

[Xero]

How is this thread managing to get worse?

[Ermaximus]

I don't hate Cena, I just dislike his gimmick. I respect the guy for what he does, but I can't bring myself to cheer for him during a match.

[dhellova guy]

Its all sub-conscious. Its the theory of inverse attraction (i'm copyrighting that). The more women like a man, the less men like said man. Its the same reason most of us hate Justin Timberlake or Leonardo DiCaprio. Our brains wont allow us to like someone, so it makes up reasons to hate them.

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.

[Xero]

Cena's pretty butt-ugly, to be honest.

[Volare]

Cena's pretty butt-ugly, to be honest.

Fella!

[Volare]

How is this thread managing to get worse?

OBJECTION!
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This thread was already worse before you posted that!

[bigslimjj]

decaprio is a good actor.real men dont judge dude's looks..lol.i just hate seeing cena's face every monday night.I CAN SEE John Cena...and in the immortal words of the oompaloopas "i don't like the look of it!"

[screech]

Shut the fuck up, dhellova guy.

[RiX1024]

John Cena equals overrated.

[XCaliber]

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.

So I saved 15% by switching to Geico on car insurance. :roll:

[XCaliber]

How so? Like I said in the original post, he leads in merch sold, he has the biggest work load of any superstar, the kids love him. What talent are you specifically talking about?

Orton for one but at least he is getting a push it doesn't help that they watered down Cena when he turned face they should have kept him as the rapper only a little more fun loving rather then sucking ass.

[dhellova guy]

Shut the fuck up, dhellova guy.

Sir, hostility is not called for, simply because your ape-like brain can't grasp the complexities of my argument. Calm your ass down, take a puff, and realize that I am right. You'll find that’s the case more often then not.

[Londoner]

Its all sub-conscious. Its the theory of inverse attraction (i'm copyrighting that). The more women like a man, the less men like said man. Its the same reason most of us hate Justin Timberlake or Leonardo DiCaprio. Our brains wont allow us to like someone, so it makes up reasons to hate them.

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.

what aload of shit, especially in this case.

[Juan]

I think this thread proves my theory that all these new shitty, non-avatar having posters are really all the same person.

[dhellova guy]

I think this thread proves my theory that all these new shitty, non-avatar having posters are really all the same person.

Well, I have an avatar now, so does that mean i'm different?

God, if I had known you would all get your panties in a knot about this, I wouldnt have said anything... well, ya, I still would have, but still. You all want to think you're the "sophisticated" wrestling fan, go ahead and think so. I'll just keep posting my oppinions and let you keep beating me up for it until I reach 10,000 posts and get to be in the club with you guys. Then i'll be cool.

[Juan]

Good luck with that.

[Xero]

Was Tyler banned?

[Juan]

Yeah

[Xero]

Well that would explain things.

[Londoner]

The banning system really needs to be improved on this forum...

[Juan]

The banning system really needs to be improved on this forum...

There is no system. It's just that the people who actually have the power to ban people are never in the wrestling forum and don't read the threads.

[CSL]

This new guy clearly isn't as retarded as most of the spastics that tend to sign up but as long as you guys have whatever fun it is you have with your neg reps and stuff.

[VSG]

That last statement seems incomplete.

[CSL]

Kind of is but I'm not a fan of ending posts with...

[addy2hotty]

They showed a clip last night of Edge beating Cena at New Year's Revolution in 2006 and I realised that Cena has NOT FUCKING CHANGED IN ANY WAY in that period to now.

He's the same old shit, same old talk on the mic, same old saluting because he was in a movie where he played a Marine, same old defeats the odds.

They had an oppotunity when the boo's started to change his character, they didn't. They still have the oppotunity, they won't use it.

The ting that really grinds my gears about Cena? He doesn't care. He is the poster boy for the company, the big cheese, the head honcho, the main man. He could have made them change his character. Instead, he takes the easy street and stays as the sugary sweet 'champ'.

He criticises The Rock for taking off to Hollywood, but the joke is, could you see Austin or The Rock spending 5 years not changing their characters? Of course not.

But perhaps that's because he can't play a decent heel. After all, it was a rapper gimmick that got him over as a heel in the first place. That's because he's a shit actor. And that's why he'd never take off to Hollywood, because he's not good enough.

And the fella hit himself in the head with a steel chair on Raw, just goes to show - wants to be The Rock, will never be The Rock.

[CSL]

John Cena could not 'make them change his character'.

[Kane Knight]

Its all sub-conscious. Its the theory of inverse attraction (i'm copyrighting that). The more women like a man, the less men like said man. Its the same reason most of us hate Justin Timberlake or Leonardo DiCaprio. Our brains wont allow us to like someone, so it makes up reasons to hate them.

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.

Please, run with it. That way professionals can laugh at you, and not just us amateurs.

[Juan]

What's the common denominator between all these blind Cena haters?

I mean, I'm not the biggest John Cena fan, but I still can appreciate how hard the guy works and how passionate he is for the business. I can't help but feel that people who blindly hate him and everything about him don't really understand wrestling.

[bigslimjj]

guess i gots ta get me an avatar....:D

[Kane Knight]

They showed a clip last night of Edge beating Cena at New Year's Revolution in 2006 and I realised that Cena has NOT FUCKING CHANGED IN ANY WAY in that period to now.

He's the same old shit, same old talk on the mic, same old saluting because he was in a movie where he played a Marine, same old defeats the odds.

They had an oppotunity when the boo's started to change his character, they didn't. They still have the oppotunity, they won't use it.

The ting that really grinds my gears about Cena? He doesn't care. He is the poster boy for the company, the big cheese, the head honcho, the main man. He could have made them change his character. Instead, he takes the easy street and stays as the sugary sweet 'champ'.

He criticises The Rock for taking off to Hollywood, but the joke is, could you see Austin or The Rock spending 5 years not changing their characters? Of course not.

But perhaps that's because he can't play a decent heel. After all, it was a rapper gimmick that got him over as a heel in the first place. That's because he's a shit actor. And that's why he'd never take off to Hollywood, because he's not good enough.

And the fella hit himself in the head with a steel chair on Raw, just goes to show - wants to be The Rock, will never be The Rock.

Congrats. You just hit the biggest asspull of the thread.

[CSL]

I can't help but feel that people who blindly hate him and everything about him don't really understand wrestling.

They're fucking clueless.

[addy2hotty]

Congrats. You just hit the biggest asspull of the thread.

Go me.

[CSL]

guess i gots ta get me an avatar....:D

I would like to recommend http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/von_muff/grimlock.jpg

[dhellova guy]

Please, run with it. That way professionals can laugh at you, and not just us amateurs.

I Just might sir. I just might...

[Londoner]

Kind of is but I'm not a fan of ending posts with...

Why not? It just makes sense sometimes....

[Innovator]

There is no system. It's just that the people who actually have the power to ban people are never in the wrestling forum and don't read the threads.
I still say I should be a mod just to "fucking stupid cleanse" the wrestling forum.

[Volare]

I see we have a new entrant into the King of the Trolls contest.













Not you Inno.

[CSL]

Inno wants to 'cleanse'. He's clearly a troll of Hitler-esque proportions.

[Kane Knight]

I still say I should be a mod just to "fucking stupid cleanse" the wrestling forum.

Kane Knight for Mod: We could use a good holocaust.

[Volare]

lol

[DAMN iNATOR]

What's the common denominator between all these blind Cena haters?

I mean, I'm not the biggest John Cena fan, but I still can appreciate how hard the guy works and how passionate he is for the business. I can't help but feel that people who blindly hate him and everything about him don't really understand wrestling.

Workrate means shit when you can get through your entire moveset in the first 15 seconds of a match.

[Juan]

Ironclad logic.

[Kane Knight]

Workrate means shit when you can get through your entire moveset in the first 15 seconds of a match.

Which is good, since workrate is utter bullshit dumb people pull out when they don't like someone and need a reason.

[Volare]

Which is good, since workrate is utter bullshit dumb people pull out when they don't like someone and need a reason.

KK has a point

From answers.com

Workrate
a wrestler's use of "work" to develop a match. One's workrate is determined by his or her ability to "work" in an intelligent and productive manner. When used by critics, it is an analysis of the action in a match and the skill level exhibited. This word is solely used by fans and remains unrecognized by the workers.

That made me laugh.

[Londoner]

KK has a point

From answers.com

Workrate
a wrestler's use of "work" to develop a match. One's workrate is determined by his or her ability to "work" in an intelligent and productive manner. When used by critics, it is an analysis of the action in a match and the skill level exhibited. This word is solely used by fans and remains unrecognized by the workers.

That made me laugh.

Might explain a few things!

[XL]

I don't hate Cena as a person or a character. Could his character be better? Sure.

With Cena they made the fatal mistake they continually seem to make when turning a popular heel into a babyface - they make them "vanilla". We cheer heels for a reason. Whatever reason that is irrelavant, but what they need to realise is that in order for us to keep cheering they have to have the guy do the same things he did as a heel now that he is a face.

With Cena his rapper persona got him over, all they had to do was change his focus from babyfaces to heels. Same attitude, same edge to the charater, diffrent focus. We've seen it time and time again in WWE (Orton's first turn, Carlito, MVP, etc).
At least they seemed to have corrected this with Orton's current babyface/tweener run.

Yes, he wa shoved down our throats. Yes, we could do without him overcoming the odds every other week (esecially given how many times he has done it, how can we be expected to believe he won't this time?). Yes, his matches/promos are now "by the number". But that all comes from higher up in the company (mostly).

I thought Cena was good in the ring when he debuted (pre-jean shorts) and we all agree his promos during his rapper gimmick were good. IMO Cena has the goods, he's just not allowed to use them.

Maybe part of that is that he's not been allowed to turn heel - he hasn't been able to show his versatility. IMO it's far more difficult to be a longterm babyface than a heel. So, we go on hoping that the heel turn will come.

Who knows, we've all heard/made the Cena - Hogan comparisions,after 10+ years as a the babyface, who'd have thought that Hogan would become a top heel?

Just another 5 years for us to wait for that epic Cena turn...

[Volare]

Calendar set!

[Kane Knight]

Cena busts his ass. I may not enjoy watching him most of the time (he does have his moments), but I do appreciate that he does work. Cena is one of the top guys for a reason. Several, actually. He's kid friendly, but he's also a great PR face, and he's willing to work. Hard. These elements make him great for WWE in all elements except pleasing the adult base.

On a side note, anyone else think if Cena's rap album had sold better, we might see a completely different face of WWE?

[Innovator]

Inno wants to 'cleanse'. He's clearly a troll of Hitler-esque proportions.

Kane Knight for Mod: We could use a good holocaust.

Well I feel like there a lot of Stalin when it comes to banning people. My Kampf feels like Inno's best solution is to take charge of the situation.

...blitzkrieg.

[Innovator]

I feel like the mods for gus tap (o) the trolls before they get going.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't hate Cena. I've been entertained by him plenty of times. Sometimes I enjoy him for the simple fact that when he wins, so many people get pissed off.

[Schlomey]

My thoughts on John Cena


There are a few reasons I do not care much for Mr. Cena and they are as follows:


1. He is a product of WWE over booking. The heavy saturation has caused WWE fans (including myself) to feel smothered and alienated.

2. WWE-PG humor. Don't get me wrong. John Cena can talk. He is one of the best mic guys in the business. But his goofy ramblings are starting to wear thin on me.


3. The Super Cena Run. While it is a thing of the past, It is always in the back of my mind and I worry that we will see that again every time he is in the title picture...which is constantly. Some time away from the title picture would def. help me get past this.



So here it is: Cena can wrestle a good main event match. Cena is great on the mic (even though currently he is way to goofy for my liking).

Problem is Cena has been shoved down our throats for far too long. He needs a break from the title scene and a slight make over.

Yes, WWE, we KNOW we are supposed to love him and realize he is THE FACE of the company....but having the same thing over and over does nothing but alienate the fan base. Not totally Cena's fault but that is why I don't care for him much currently.

[Gertner]

I hate John Cena because this one time we were playing hide and seek and every time I found him he claimed that "I couldn't see him". Needless to say I was not amused.

[bostonbill41]

I hate his smugness.

On a side not when I went to Wrestlemania in March I was quite surprised that there was a pretty large group of fans who don't like him.
Gotta give him credit, whenever I go to a WWE show in person I see more Cena shirts than anyone else.

[Kane Knight]

I feel like the mods for gus tap (o) the trolls before they get going.

I shall also offer Jews from concentrate.

[Innovator]

He needs a get injured and go away for a while

[Londoner]

He needs a get injured and go away for a while

Then he'll just return with a seven month title run.

[NoTalentHack23]

I can stand Cena. Barely. I think when (and that's a BIG when) they start allowing a little more things to go by instead of worrying about the PG rating, he could be better. But considering he is the face of the WWE and that the WWE is all about PG right now, he's going to be stupid, goofy and sell tons of merchandise. So, bottom line....we'll see if my opinion changes in ten years when the PG stuff ends. Till then.... not a fan.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I generally dislike Cena's character because, as a few of you have said, it's too cheesy, too over the top. He got beaten down by Nexus week after week, and he kept making jokes about it. I think a character that makes light of serious things like that belongs in the mid card. But when your WWE champion loses his title unfairly, then he comes out and makes mayonnaise jokes and laughs, that tells me that John Cena, the character, doesn't care about being WWE champion.

I just don't remember any other champion in the main event being so light hearted about everything. I mean, even when the guy gets mad, it looks comical. He tries to talk angry and it just sounds out of place. I do think the guy belongs as a cocky/ cowardly heel.

But in todays wrestling/ WWE landscape, he's cheered too much to be turned. Why would they, when they are raking in the cash from kids wanting to see him and wanting to dress like him?

I've said it before, but just like Hogan with the nWo deal, we'll only see a Cena heel turn when the reactions die down. Not when he gets booed despite being a face. But when the target audience stop caring about him as a face.

[blak23]

So you think he can wrestle well, cut good promos and have unlimited respect for him, but you hate his "gimmick"? That is the most ass-tarded thing i've ever heard.

I hated Ricky Steamboats fire breathing dragon gimmick. I hated Tito Santanas matador gimmick. I didnt boo the shit out of them everytime they hit the ring.

It all boils down to simple jealousy. He is a pretty boy, (I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that) so he cant possibly be a good wrestler. Shawn Michaels faced the same delema for a while. Pure and simple, people do not like him because he is cheered by every female in the building.

by your logic (let me go down a list of wrestlers girls seemed to like)

i don't like
the rock
randy orton
dolph
cena
jeff hardy
etc.

just because my girl might find them attractive? i think youve been struck some bitchassness my friend and you are terminally slippin on your pimpin

[Aguakate]

I dont hate John Cena. I just wish they would not try to make him look like Superman all the time...that's all.

In my opinion the guy is no worse than Sheamus or Batista in the ring, and he's an actual nice guy...does things outside the ring for kids, Make-A-Wish and such, and that, no matter how horrible he may be in the ring, puts him over the top with me, cause not all "stars" do those things.

[Kane Knight]

by your logic (let me go down a list of wrestlers girls seemed to like)

i don't like
the rock
randy orton
dolph
cena
jeff hardy
etc.

just because my girl might find them attractive? i think youve been struck some bitchassness my friend and you are terminally slippin on your pimpin
Haters gonna hate.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

To be honest, I don't care about what John Cena does outside of wrestling. Sure he does the make a wish stuff, and all the PR stuff for WWE, and that is fantastic. But back in the day during the 90's and before, nobody cared about that. It's his character that wrestling fans care about. I mean, who hates a wrestler because they did drugs or did something stupid? Randy Orton by all accounts has been a dick in the past, but that won't change how people see him on camera, if he's playing an awesome character.


Now I'm not saying everything backstage and beyond is irrelevant to wrestling fans all together, because myself, along with so many other fans, will buy autobiographies, watch career based DVDs, and read the news on the internet. But I'm just saying that none of that effects the way people see them on TV, any more than celebrity news and rumours wouldn't stop me from seeing a movie and enjoying it.

[Troelar]

Well hello people of TPWW.
Seeing as this will be my first post here, I figured a good place to start would be in the current Cena-hating thread. (It's such a safe things, since I'll just echo what has already been said)

The reasons for disliking/hating Cena are mostly because he's made out to be the Wolverine of wrestling. Only instead of being bad ass whilst being invincible, he's just predictable and boring!
For me it seemed to hit a new low when he beat Batista using the almighty power of duct tape (http://cheezburger.com/View/3477264640) - sadly it hasn't been able to rise much from the stupidity of that - although his talks have become slightly more entertaining.

He works hard I'm sure, and he is unfortunately stuck in a role. So I guess I don't hate John Cena the person as much as I hate John Cena the character.

/first post done!

[Mooияakeя™]

Cos no matter how much he says it, yes I can see him. It pissed me off that much, I made this to display my frustration with this whole kerfuffle.

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivator9b4870207c1358ddac84544c579487b456fdb586.jpg

[Schlomey]

Well hello people of TPWW.
Seeing as this will be my first post here, I figured a good place to start would be in the current Cena-hating thread. (It's such a safe things, since I'll just echo what has already been said)

The reasons for disliking/hating Cena are mostly because he's made out to be the Wolverine of wrestling. Only instead of being bad ass whilst being invincible, he's just predictable and boring!
For me it seemed to hit a new low when he beat Batista using the almighty power of duct tape (http://cheezburger.com/View/3477264640) - sadly it hasn't been able to rise much from the stupidity of that - although his talks have become slightly more entertaining.

He works hard I'm sure, and he is unfortunately stuck in a role. So I guess I don't hate John Cena the person as much as I hate John Cena the character.

/first post done!


welcome to the forums. To post pictures go to "advanced reply" // click on the yellow mountain looking picture // paste the link there.

That way we don't have to click on any links and the picture is visible in your post.


Have a super day!

Schlomey :heart:

[Troelar]

welcome to the forums. To post pictures go to "advanced reply" // click on the yellow mountain looking picture // paste the link there.

That way we don't have to click on any links and the picture is visible in your post.


Have a super day!

Schlomey :heart:

Thank you :)

I was thinking the hugeness of the picture disqualified it from embedding:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/1/129171919624087050.jpg

[thedamndest]

Don't let the hugeness of any image stop you from posting it, Troelar.

[Schlomey]

there is an automatic sizer built in to this message board. It will make it the max size with the capability of viewing larger if wanted.

[Troelar]

I thank you for the kind advice, and now to get this topic back on track I give you another reason to hate Cena (even if this applies to some others in the WWE as well):
His attire is overly stupid, just to sell more merchandise - I mean who the hell needs _two_ sweatbands on each arm?

[thedamndest]

Sweaty people.

[Troelar]

Sweaty people.

Touché

[Kane Knight]

I thank you for the kind advice, and now to get this topic back on track I give you another reason to hate Cena (even if this applies to some others in the WWE as well):
His attire is overly stupid, just to sell more merchandise - I mean who the hell needs _two_ sweatbands on each arm?

VEL.

[Lock Jaw]

I hate John Cena because he ran over my dog.

[Lock Jaw]

Oops, I mean "my dawg".

[Kane Knight]

Even Lock Jaw's stealing my lines. :'(

Anyone else think even Cena's tired of the character?

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

His bank account certainly isn't.

[Destor]

i do not hate cena. i am completely indifferent to him. much like i was for face rock, i reconize that i am not his target demographic and accept the fact that he is not there to entertain ME. Thats the big issue with the Cena era vs say the Hogan era. Hogan era had strong mid card with with workers who could go to entertain people who wanted that. and the main was for the money, the kids. now though the mid card is too weak to hold the interest of the workrate inclined making Cena huge issue when he shjoyldnt be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have a tremendous amount of respect for John Cena. He busts his ass, pulls in the money where neccessary, and he's (despite what some say), not a bad wrestler at all. When the time calls for it, he can pull off something interesting. It's just mirred by his character. Cena may be a tremendously nice guy in real life, but the two-dimensional, cliche-wielding, love-machine is just not something with another depth for me to connect to as a mature adult. Woody from Toy Story has more depth, and that's not a diss on Toy Story by any means. But I'd rather my kids watch that than the WWE.

That being said, when Cena does turn heel, my critical opinion of him will probably change, because suddenly he will have depth -- and a lot of that will flow from the character he is playing now. Cena really is the Hogan of this generation, in that he's the bland babyface now, but when he does turn heel, it could potentially take the current kiddies into a more adult phase of wrestling.

[Kane Knight]

His bank account certainly isn't.

His bank account isn't the one phoning in promos and looking really tired on TV.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Let me answer more seriously and in depth.

If it was me in his position, I'm pretty sure I would be bored of playing the same bland direction-less one dimensional character. But as Destor said, we aren't the target demo.

Back in the day, I used to be so sucked in by what Hogan did and said. But when you look back at it now, it's so cheesy, and one dimensional as Cena. The old lather, rinse, repeat promo of "*insert heel name here*, you can't disrespect my fans or this company like that, I'll teach you on behalf of the Hulkamaniacs/ Cenation/ WWE Universe!". It works for the kids, and the kids cheer him. So in that light, his job is pretty rewarding.



And as I previously mentioned, even if he is sick of his character, I'm sure the amount of money gets is worth it.

[Kane Knight]

But as Destor and fifty billion other people have said, we aren't the target demo.

Fixed.

Realistically, I don't think anyone has the expectation that Cena is aimed to an adult audience. The thing is, in terms of target demos, they're still trying to score that coveted 18-34 market, while trying to market John Cena to kids. In fact, while taming the overall product.

Let me put this in more personal terms. I think a lot of people are pissed off because WWE has a new girlfriend, but is flirting with "us" on the side, for whatever reason. Maybe WWE's afraid her new boyfriend will fall through--He does have a short attention span--or possibly she just likes to have her cake and eat it too. Maybe she still wants to fuck us on the side--but she's totally thinking of him.

That's especially creepy when you consider "she" is courting little kids, but it's WWE. Taste has never been "her" strong point.

[Destor]

you dont get bored with pay checks

[Kane Knight]

you dont get bored with pay checks
You do get bored with how they're acquired, however.

[Destor]

You do get bored with how they're acquired, however.

well i was directing that at LOD`s comment that Cena should be bored with playing the same charector. Thats no more true than anyone else is bored with their job. They may be, but when they see that pay check they forget.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Didn't I say that anyway?

[Kane Knight]

Didn't I say that anyway?

You did. Which is part of the reason it looked like Destor was chasing a logical fallacy.

[Destor]

and now i see i miss read and feel a fool...*sigh* 0 hours of sleep and a lot of driving...

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Happens to the best of us :lol:

[Mooияakeя™]

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5025/motivator55a9babb549f0c.jpg

[Rev. Hallowell]

I love wrestling. I hate wiggers.

[Choviko Man]

i hates him as the penis grows when he touches the sanmantina mozarela.

[Dirk Ziggler]

he smells like poopy

[Providence Peep]

The above two comments are highly intelligent.

[Dirk Ziggler]

The above two comments are highly intelligent.

:y:

[Anybody Thrilla]

When are we going to drop this 'Cena is a wigger' thing? When's the last time he did anything that could be classified as 'wiggerish' besides rapping his own theme song?

[Providence Peep]

When are we going to drop this 'Cena is a wigger' thing? When's the last time he did anything that could be classified as 'wiggerish' besides rapping his own theme song?

Apparently some people here are stuck in the past.

[Innovator]

Shouldn't his time be up, cause his time has been now since 2005.

[CSL]

But you can't see him and his time is now so whatcha gonna do?

[Providence Peep]

http://www.mygtv.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cena.jpg
He's going to tell them about the event.