In which sports are we currently looking at the greatest player?

[Ogen]

I quite like these kind of thread because I get to learn little tidbits about sports I don't care about.

Off the top of my head you got Roger Federer who's just phenomenal, Usain Bolt who holds something like 8 of the top 20 100m times and 5 of the top 20 200m and is clearly a massive freak who just decimates all before him.

After that you've got Woods for the golf, obviously hasn't caught Nicklaus yet but lets face it he will so I'd have him in there.

I'll throw Phil Taylor in because theres such a frankly ridiculous gap in talent between him and the rest of the darts world despite darts being a tenuous one to throw in here given they are all fat pissheads.

[Triple Naitch]

Albert Pujols, Kobe Bryant

[Ogen]

I didn't learn any tidbits there, no idea who Pujols is even. I've googled him and he is a baseball player. Despite my ignorance to the sport I'm not having someone who's name I've literally never heard before is the best ever surely

[McLegend]

Nadal is better then Federer.

What about Messi(sp) from Argentina? Is he the best football player in the world?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Albert Pujols is not the greatest baseball player ever. Kobe isn't the best baller either although he's a lot closer than Pujols is.

Peyton Manning will probably go down as the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

[Triple Naitch]

I misunderstood the questions. Thought you were asking who is the best player in their sport right now.

[Ogen]

No best all time that happens to be currently playing

[Ogen]

Nadal is better then Federer.

What about Messi(sp) from Argentina? Is he the best football player in the world?

Hes best in the world right now, certainly in the top 2 of my lifetime in my opinion only one that can challenge him in terms of brilliance is fat Ronaldo in his prime. He'll have to do it for longer to be considered better than your Maradona and Pele's though. He'll really need to drag Argentina to a world cup I suppose.

[Triple Naitch]

Two years ago I would have said LaDanian Tomlinson. He was bound to break every single scoring record. Then he fell apart and is a backup on a new team.

[McLegend]

Yeah I fucked up to.

Even though he probably won't be e greatest ever, bu he wiill be the 10-5 best players ever. i' m holding out hope he will be the best player ever though.

Kevin Durant of the oklaholma City thunder. I'm telling you Ogen you will want to follow his career. He plays in the NBA.

[The Mask]

ronnie o'sullivan is another obvious one, i suppose.

[The Mask]

i think anderson silva probably has a good shot at being the best ever p4p mma fighter, but he has the same batshit insane thing going on that o sullivan has half the time.

[Triple Naitch]

I wouldn't call Messi the greatest. It seems every two years there is always a new greatest player in the world. Ronaldino was given the name before him, Ronaldo, etc.

[Ogen]

Yeah but of those 2 you've compared him with one of them was the best I've ever seen until Messi this year.

[McLegend]

Then as for Tennis. Federer is better then Nadal all time obviously.

I don't know if Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time though. I don't know if this makes sense, but he is probably the most well rounded player ever. He was at either 1 or 2 on any surface, and he has a career grand slam. However if you put Sampras up against Federer both in their primes on Center Court at Wimbledon... I think Sampras wins.

I think Sampras serve would just over powerful anything Federer could throw at him.

[OssMan]

I think Pujols will break most hitting records. Kobe Bryant is not even close to being the best of all time. Manning will probably the best quarterback when he retires.

[IC Champion]

i think anderson silva probably has a good shot at being the best ever p4p mma fighter, but he has the same batshit insane thing going on that o sullivan has half the time.

Excuse me, Mr St-Pierre hasnt died.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Albert Pujols, Kobe Bryant

Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Joe DiMaggio, Honus Wagner, Ken Griffey Jr, Reggie Jackson, and many others.

Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird...

[CSL]

Ronaldinho could have been one of the very best ever if he wasn't such a 'party boy'. I'd watch him at his peak over Messi anyday. I've never seen anybody do some of the things he's done and I've never been so in awe of a single player whilst watching him play. Easily the best player of my lifetime, even if it was only for about 18 months. Messi's probably the best atm though.

[The Mask]

Excuse me, Mr St-Pierre hasnt died.

st pierre is efficient. seems like he is unwilling to take any kind of risk in order to cement 'his legacy' and has become a bit dull to watch because of it.

[Juan]

No one will ever surpass Michael Jordan as greatest NBA player ever, but Kobe Bryant is currently the best player in the NBA.

5 time NBA Champion
2 time NBA Finals MVP
2008 Season MVP
2 time NBA scoring Champion
12 time NBA All-Star
3 time NBA All-Star MVP
12-time All-NBA selection
10-time All-Defensive selection
NBA All-Rookie selection
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
2nd most points in a game: 81
Most points scored at Madison Square Garden: 61
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51
Youngest player to score 18,000 points
Youngest player to score 20,000 points
Youngest player to score 23,000 points
Youngest player to score 24,000 points
Youngest player to score 25,000 points
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team
Youngest player to start a game
Youngest player to start an All-Star game
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years

Plus a shit ton more Lakers franchise records he holds

[Ogen]

You've underlined currently like thats the relevant point to all of this there Juan. Are people still confused by the question somehow.

[Juan]

No I get it, I know how to read, that's why I said no one will ever be better than Jordan, but I think Kobe deserves an honorable mention because it may be 100 years before we ever see another Jordan.

[DaveWadding]

LeBron is the greatest of all time.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

LeBron is the greatest of all time.

Just ask LeBron, he'll tell you the same.

[Bad Company]

We've seen some phenomonal cricketers, the likes of tendulkar, lara, warne. Certainly regarded by many as the greatest ever.
For rugby, players like Daniel Carter, Richie McCaw, could all come pretty close

[Gertner]

You could argue that Martin Brodeur is the greatest goaltender in NHL history. I know some don't agree, but he's definitley top 3 at the very least.

[RP]

Peyton Manning easily

[erictheking]

Hes best in the world right now, certainly in the top 2 of my lifetime in my opinion only one that can challenge him in terms of brilliance is fat Ronaldo in his prime. He'll have to do it for longer to be considered better than your Maradona and Pele's though. He'll really need to drag Argentina to a world cup I suppose.

PAUL SCHOLES is better. But I have the privilege of watching him every week. still got it. great season last year for him.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Peyton Manning easily

He's not even the best now. Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady (debatable because he cheated), Bret Favre (not currently, but taking the overall body of work), are better current players. Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw are better all time. Manning may be a better passer statistically, but not a better Quarterback.

Reason:
Joe Montana-
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Terry Bradshaw-
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[CSL]

Fuck off is Ben Roethlisberger better than Peyton Manning. Brady is debatable and I'm a Favre mark but lol Roethlisberger.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Sure, LOL Big Ben all you want. 14-0 & made it to the AFC Championship game his rookie year, Super Bowl Champion his second, repeated in '08. 2nd youngest QB to play in a Super Bowl, youngest QB to ever win it. Twice as many rings as the great Manning.

If Stats mean more than that, Vinnie Testiverde is one of the all-time greats.

[CSL]

I know that. I'm not saying he's a bad QB, far from it, he's just not Peyton Manning.

By your definition, Matt Millen is the greatest linebacker of all time.

Quick, somebody get him into Canton. Fucking hell.

[Buzzkill]

Nadal is better then Federer.

What about Messi(sp) from Argentina? Is he the best football player in the world?

No chance is Nadal better than Federer. He matches up well against him because Federer's only weakness is the high backhand...the spot Nadal can most easily hit to.

BUT TO ANSER THE Q

Federer, Michael Phelps, Woods...That's all in my books.

Kobe is a great player but no way would MJ go 6-24 in a game 7. Kobe also had a few other crappy games that series

[CSL]

I hated Michael Phelps for the longest time then did a complete 180 and fell in love with him when won that race at the Olympics where the first time he took the lead in the entire race was when he touched the wall.

[Rev. Hallowell]

I know that. I'm not saying he's a bad QB, far from it, he's just not Peyton Manning.

By your definition, Matt Millen is the greatest linebacker of all time.

Quick, somebody get him into Canton. Fucking hell.

Linebackers aren't the leader of the team, nor to they have the ball every play.

[CSL]

So Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino?

[Jeritron]

No, but Joe Montana is

[Jeritron]

Peyton Manning's statistics are honestly amazing. There's no doubt about that, or his legacy, but I'd honestly much rather have Tom Brady quarterbacking my team

[Rev. Hallowell]

So Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino?

Probably not, but Marino never had decent players around him either. Manning doesn't have that excuse. Just the opposite, if Manning had taken his mind off his own stat sheet and let Edge run the ball more, he may have more Super Bowls.

[Jeritron]

Some classic Reverend here

[Rev. Hallowell]

Some classic Reverend here

I kinda wish I hadn't used my title in my name. I take my religion seriously, this site not so much.

[CSL]

Probably not, but Marino never had decent players around him either. Manning doesn't have that excuse. Just the opposite, if Manning had taken his mind off his own stat sheet and let Edge run the ball more, he may have more Super Bowls.

But you still maintain that Roethlisberger is better than Manning?

[Rev. Hallowell]

Yes. Ben was able to use the great players around him to win games and championships. Manning has done this once, and hasn't figured out that it works enough to keep doing it. Manning is the better passer, there's no arguement about that, but he's not the better Quarterback. Playmakers break records, Game Managers win championships.

[CSL]

Basically, my argument boils down to the fact that if I had to choose one of them to blowout a poor team, I'd take Manning. If I had to pick one to make a critical pass on 4th and long, I'd take Manning. If I had to pick one of them to start as my QB in the Super Bowl, I'd take Manning. Every success the Colts have, be it a good thing or a bad thing, is because of Peyton Manning. The same cannot be said about Roethlisberger. Those Steelers Super Bowl teams probably would have won with any top 5-8 QB.

[Jeritron]

So do you think Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL right now, Hallowell?

[IC Champion]

st pierre is efficient. seems like he is unwilling to take any kind of risk in order to cement 'his legacy' and has become a bit dull to watch because of it.

It's not like Silva puts on stellar performances everytime. GSP has been pretty dominant, he hasn't lost a round in like 5 fights. He's beaten beaten Penn and Hughes twice, cleaned out his division, and if he can beat Silva he can retire as the greatest of all time at that point.

[Rev. Hallowell]

So do you think Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL right now, Hallowell?

If not, he's in the top three. Even NFL analysts will tell you that.

[CSL]

Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Favre
Rivers/Roethlisberger

[Jeritron]

Good call referencing the NFL analysts

[Jeritron]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CPP7LjnMEdM/Sm9_pU7xjTI/AAAAAAAABFw/po38mBJm3Lc/s320/hu_071102nfl_johnclayton.jpg

[Jeritron]

Top 5 current and Top 5 Alltime, please

[Rev. Hallowell]

Current:
1. Roethlisberger
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Brady (would be ranked higher if he didn't cheat)
5. Favre

All Time:
1. Joe Montana
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Roger Staubach
4. Bart Starr
5. John Elway

[Jeritron]

That list is shit flavored poop

[CSL]

Quite clearly Eli Manning is the best QB in the NFL.

[Rev. Hallowell]

That list is shit flavored poop

Why? No Romo or Palmer?

Who would be your top 5?

[Jeritron]

Tony Romo is garbage and I loathe the Cowboys, but nice stab

My top 5 is Tom Brady

[Skippord]

the fact that you have Terry Bradshaw above John Elway boggles my mind

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What a piece of shit Steelers homer.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Like seriously, what a stupid ignorant fuck.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This is the reason Pittsburgh fans are the most retarded wastes of semen on the planet. No fucking knowledge of sports AT ALL. Just a pile of dumbshit douchebags waving their faggoty towels in the air like a bunch of pathetic failed abortions.

[DrA]

The only person on that list that I would for sure put on my list is John Elway. Joe Montana was a bit over-rated; if he made my list he certainly wouldn't be number one. Terry Bradshaw probably wouldn't even be in my Top 25. Don't know how you could put Staubach and Bart Starr on there and not even mention Johnny Unitas. I would probably put one of them on it though. Might as well put Y.A. Tittle on there while you're at it.

[James Steele]

:lol:

Rev, do you understand how football actually works?

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

No one will ever surpass Michael Jordan as greatest NBA player ever, but Kobe Bryant is currently the best player in the NBA.

5 time NBA Champion
2 time NBA Finals MVP
2008 Season MVP
2 time NBA scoring Champion
12 time NBA All-Star
3 time NBA All-Star MVP
12-time All-NBA selection
10-time All-Defensive selection
NBA All-Rookie selection
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
2nd most points in a game: 81
Most points scored at Madison Square Garden: 61
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51
Youngest player to score 18,000 points
Youngest player to score 20,000 points
Youngest player to score 23,000 points
Youngest player to score 24,000 points
Youngest player to score 25,000 points
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team
Youngest player to start a game
Youngest player to start an All-Star game
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years

Plus a shit ton more Lakers franchise records he holds

I went ahead and underlined the ones are meaningless here.

[The Mask]

It's not like Silva puts on stellar performances everytime. GSP has been pretty dominant, he hasn't lost a round in like 5 fights. He's beaten beaten Penn and Hughes twice, cleaned out his division, and if he can beat Silva he can retire as the greatest of all time at that point.

i think silva just has that slightly mental self-destructive tweak that a few of the greatest have, like george best and maradona and ronnie o sullivan etc.

[Juan]

I went ahead and underlined the ones are meaningless here.

Well, I could go ahead and post about 50 more, but I get the feeling that your minds made up.

[DrA]

You could make a case for Ray Lewis being the greatest linebacker of all time. I probably wouldn't say that though. Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end of all time most likely.

[Rev. Hallowell]

What a piece of shit Steelers homer.

Show me where I said I was unbiased.

[Triple Naitch]

How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for date raping a girl?

[Rev. Hallowell]

How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for being falsely accused but never charged with sexually assulting a drunk gold digger?

Fixed it for ya, guy. :y:

[Triple Naitch]

Thanks, I needed that.

[Triple Naitch]

And also

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How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for being falsely accused but never charged with sexually assulting a drunk gold digger?
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...twice

[Jeritron]

He's not a playmaker. He's a game manager. That's how

[Supreme Olajuwon]

For a guy who claims to have a genius IQ, Rev. Hallowell sure says a lot of retarded things.

[IC Champion]

Tony Romo is garbage and I loathe the Cowboys, but nice stab

My top 5 is Tom Brady

Tony Romo isn't garbage. In fact few quaterbacks have a better statistical start to there careers. He'd third on the all time QB ratings list. I think people comtempt for the Cowboys is what makes them say 'Romo sucks'.

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

Well, I could go ahead and post about 50 more, but I get the feeling that your minds made up.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't recognize that he is a great player- probably top 5 all-time. It's just that some of those records don't really have any bearing on that.

I'm sure they were meaningless when Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabaar held these records too.
Again, the records aren't meaningless in general, just irrelevant when looking at how great a player they are.

[Jeritron]

Tony Romo isn't garbage. In fact few quaterbacks have a better statistical start to there careers. He'd third on the all time QB ratings list. I think people comtempt for the Cowboys is what makes them say 'Romo sucks'.

His inability to win any important games tends to lead to that as well

[IC Champion]

He's been in the league for 3 fulls seasons FFS. Not everyone gets to play for Bill Belicheck or Cowar in their first season. He's only played in two post seasons. I used to hate on Romo too, but after watching him last season, you can't say that he is garbage. He's a top 10 QB easily.

[IC Champion]

Peyton Manning, who will likely retire as the greatest of all time didnt win anything in the post season for like 7 years.

[Jeritron]

I'm using a little hyperbole to express how overrated he is. He's nowhere near this conversation, that's my point.

[IC Champion]

Oh, well still, I will molest you.

[Jeritron]

If I'm forced to rank, it's really just between Brady and Manning for the 1 and 2 spot. I'll give Brees and Rodgers the distant 3 and 4.
It's between Roethlisberger and Rivers for the 5th, I guess, but they're nowhere near Brady or Manning so does it even really matter?
That's my point, Reverend. Saying "Big Ben" is in their league, or going as far as to say he's better, is just uncalled for.

[IC Champion]

Roethlisberger and Rivers both rank ahead of rodgers. Rodgers isn't much better than Romo IMO.

[IC Champion]

Infact Rivers has shown a greater inability to win big games than Tony Romo. The Chargers have had one of the better teams in the league for the last 5 years, and Rivers hasn't won anything.

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

Roethlisberger and Rivers both rank ahead of rodgers. Rodgers isn't much better than Romo IMO.

Are you serious? I am a Packers fan, so take this with a grain of salt, but Rodgers is a much better player than Romo. He's smarter, it's undebatable that he's a faster, better runner, AND I've been drinking.

[McLegend]

I think Rodgers is great. I love the way he throws the ball, and I love watching him play.

But Drew Bress is currently the best QB playing today.

[Innovator]

Aaron Rodgers is one of the top QBs right now, he carried my fantasy team last year.

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

I think Rodgers is great. I love the way he throws the ball, and I love watching him play.

But Drew Bress is currently the best QB playing today.

No doubt about that. I'm realistic. I do overvalue Rodgers a bit, but I know he's not the best. Top 5, though, for sure.

[El Fangel]

Ovechkin and Crosby are the best of the current generation for sure.

[Gertner]

Current generation spanning 5 years? Throw Malkin in with Ovie and Crosby. If it weren't for Malkin carrying the team on his back Crosby would still have no cups. It's far too early in their careers to put them up with the greats.

[Corndad]

I'm a Steelers fan but to be honest can't stand Ben. Never did really. He's in the top 5 of the league but not at the top.

1.Manning
2.Brady
3.Brees
4.Roethlisberger
5. Rivers

Also wanted to point out to the guy talking about the Towels... If they are so faggoty why has about every team tried to bring out their own version of it?

Also a Pens fan but Gretzky > Ovie or Crosby

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Ronaldo 1994-1998 is probably the best footballer anyone will ever see. He was still a great, great player, one of the best ever, later in his career, but for those years he was just absolutely stunningly brilliant. Unstoppable is the word. He had absolutely everything - equally strong on either foot, unbelievably quick with astonishing acceleration, a massive strong beast with sublime, absolutely absurd skill and the deadliest finisher I have ever seen aside from Romario. Still a fan of Fat Ronaldo today, in fact I'd have still brought him to the World Cup if I had a say in Brazil national football team selection.

Ronaldo was also doing Ronaldinho's signature "flip-flap" thing years before Ronaldinho did it. Ronaldinho was enormously skillful but a very overrated footballer, in my opinion. I think Rivaldo was a better player without getting close to the same adulation and Ronaldinho has no place really being called anywhere close to one of the best ever. He had a couple of good seasons but one game vs. Real Madrid at the Bernabeu basically stands as the sum total of his good performances in big games. He was a one-man highlight reel who continually disappointed when it counted most.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Also wanted to point out to the guy talking about the Towels... If they are so faggoty why has about every team tried to bring out their own version of it?

Also a Pens fan but Gretzky > Ovie or Crosby

Steelers fans buy their towels. Other fans are given thiers. Fucking posers.

And as a Pens fan, Lemeux > Malkin or Crosby

[El Fangel]

Current generation spanning 5 years? Throw Malkin in with Ovie and Crosby. If it weren't for Malkin carrying the team on his back Crosby would still have no cups. It's far too early in their careers to put them up with the greats.

In their current age frame, 18-24, who do you think is better? Malkin is amazingly good but I think Crosby may have the edge with his faceoff ability. Though Malkin has far better puck control from what I have heard, so they could be even.

Lets just say they are the best of the current generation, who would you put at number 4? Stamkos? Backstrom? Getzlaf? Thornton?


Gretzky > Any player, past or present.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Gretzky > Any player, past or present.
I'm a huge Pens fan, Lemeux & Crosby fan, and admitted Pittsburgh Homer, but....this

Same for Jordan in the NBA.

[James Steele]

Steelers fans buy their towels. Other fans are given thiers. Fucking posers.

No, most people aren't fucking dumb enough to spend 5 bucks on a small towel.

[Rev. Hallowell]

Troy Polamalu should be considered...but then again I'm a homer.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

We get it. You're a Pittsburgh homer and you don't know much about sports. You don't have to keep reminding us.

[IC Champion]

Polamalu is really good, but seriously he isn't even the best safety today.

[Gertner]

In their current age frame, 18-24, who do you think is better? Malkin is amazingly good but I think Crosby may have the edge with his faceoff ability. Though Malkin has far better puck control from what I have heard, so they could be even.

Lets just say they are the best of the current generation, who would you put at number 4? Stamkos? Backstrom? Getzlaf? Thornton?

Pavel Datsyuk. Wins the Selke year after year, puts up alot of points. Probably the most under-rated player in the NHL.

[Vastardikai]

Best Defensive Back of all time would be a former Steeler: Rod Woodson.

I still don't see how Brees is ranked behind Manning or Brady. Due to the fact that
1. Brees plays on a team that has only just recently had any serious success.
2. Brees stats since shoulder surgery has been as good, if not better than Manning across the board.
3. Brady is a cheating douchebag who gets more roughing the passer calls in his favor than anyone else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Probably because Manning and Brady are still better. Brees has been great in New Orleans, but Brady and Manning are legends.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/f6Q3w

Here are the QB stats since Brees joined New Orleans in 2006. As you can see, they're all 3 up there or they would be had Brady not gotten hurt. But yeah they're about equal. But Manning has been doing it for a lot longer than the other two and Brady has his Super Bowl rings. So that puts Brees behind them.

[Aguakate]

Alex Rodriguez

[Skippord]

lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

One of the best QB/WR combos in the history of NFL right now in New England with Randy Moss & Tom Brady. Hold the record for most touchdown receptions hook-ups in one season. Obviously there's been other great duos (Rice & Montana or Rice & Young might be the best since Jerry Rice is probably the greatest WR ever) but Brady2Moss is going down in the history books.

Phil Jackson is arguably the greatest coach in NBA history with the amount of titles he has won. Probably helps he had unbelievable talent but Jordan & Kobe never won a ring without him. Coach K at Duke University is another one, already has the basketball court named after him and he's still coaching. Duke's basketball program is a contender every year & he just won a gold medal coaching Team USA as well. Been other great college basketball coaches but Coach K might be the best of them all when its all said & done.

[RP]

Moss/ Brady will never come close to Manning/ Harrison.

[Brigstocke]

PAUL SCHOLES is better. But I have the privilege of watching him every week. still got it. great season last year for him.

:rofl: Ridiculous.

[Brigstocke]

I'm not a follower of any of the three codes of 'Yankball', but I had it on good authority that Brett Favre was the greatest Quarterback in history?

Plus he was in ''Theres Something about Mary''.

Could someone please clear this up for me?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Probably top 5. Not #1 though.

[Nark Order]

Joe Montana will always be the greatest Quarterback of all time to me.

[ct2k]

Ronaldo 1994-1998 is probably the best footballer anyone will ever see. He was still a great, great player, one of the best ever, later in his career, but for those years he was just absolutely stunningly brilliant. Unstoppable is the word. He had absolutely everything - equally strong on either foot, unbelievably quick with astonishing acceleration, a massive strong beast with sublime, absolutely absurd skill and the deadliest finisher I have ever seen aside from Romario. Still a fan of Fat Ronaldo today, in fact I'd have still brought him to the World Cup if I had a say in Brazil national football team selection.

Ronaldo was also doing Ronaldinho's signature "flip-flap" thing years before Ronaldinho did it. Ronaldinho was enormously skillful but a very overrated footballer, in my opinion. I think Rivaldo was a better player without getting close to the same adulation and Ronaldinho has no place really being called anywhere close to one of the best ever. He had a couple of good seasons but one game vs. Real Madrid at the Bernabeu basically stands as the sum total of his good performances in big games. He was a one-man highlight reel who continually disappointed when it counted most.


Quite.

Had the pleasure of seeing both him and Zidane in action for Real back in 2004, past prime but still awesome, ball control out of this world.

People always forget Ronaldo's years at PSV, sensational.

[Domino]

Come on Rev, I know you're a homer but really? Big Ben is better than Manning? No way. I'll be a homer for a bit. Big Ben better than Brees too? At least Ben had a top-notch defense to work with. Yeah, the Saints hit the home run with turnovers but were 25th in total defense last year. You can't always judge by rings.

[Snowden]

I'll change gears here. Derek Jeter may very well be the best live ball era shortstop of all time when all is said and done.

Cal Ripken is right up there as well, but if Jeter can end up with 300 homers, 1500 RBIs, 400 steals, close to 3,500 hits, and around a .310 career average (all of which he's very much in reach of), he'd have Ripken beat.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Lemieux and Orr are both greater than Gretzky. Jagr is the best of the past 12-15 years.