Cruiserweight Division is at its best...

[Mr. JL]

The Cruiserweight Division is at its best when the cruiserweight champion is either weighs more than a cruiserweight or is at the maximum weight limit cut off.

An example was when Chris Jericho was the Cruiserweight Champion in WCW. I don't believe the cruiserweight division was ever hotter than it was when he was the champion. Of course that can be debated. I laughed my ass off when Jericho came out with Juvi's mask and a fake leg that was supposed to represent what he had done to Mysterio.

Also, a recent example of this was when Matt Hardy was the Cruiserweight Champion in the WWE last year. The division was reconized and it was a good reason for me to tune in.

Nowadays the Cruiserweight Division is kind of an after thought. No offense to Chavo, but even when Rey Jr. won the title it seemed like an after thought, IMO. It may just be the WWE's way of pushing the smaller talents that makes the title an after thought. But I have enjoyed the Cruiserweight Divsion the most when a "bigger" cruiserweight was the champion and focal point.

What do you think?

[Loose Cannon]

100% agree with you here. I have posted before that the greatest Cruiser Champ of all-time has been Jericho. Not only because he was at the maximum weight limit as you said, but because he could work the mic like no other Cruiser Champ I've seen sense. Hardy could of had a great run, but they pulled the plug on him as champ too quick. As for Chavo, I think he makes a great Champion because he can work the mic and I loved when he faught Eddie on Smackdown and he was Cruiser Champ and Eddie was World Champ. The problem with the division right now is that there is no strong babyface to step up to challenge Chavo except Rey. And how many times can we see Rey as Champ? I like Rey and all, but he's getting a little boring now IMO.

Now, I've said this before a number of times too, if A.J. Styles were the come to the WWE, that division would kick ass because he would make a GREAT heel champion. Styles can wrestle like a mother f'er, he's got charisma like Jericho and he can definately work the mic. Styles in the division would be GOLD if they booked him right of course.

[Stickman]

I agree completely as well. I'm not a huge fan of cruiser weights, that may be why I like the heavier ones more. Remember when Disco Inferno was trying to lose weight to be a cruiser? That was rad.

[PureHatred]

Maybe it's not the size of Hardy and Jericho; it's that both men are really good as heels. If Chavo were as good as drawing heat as either Hardy or (in his wildest dreams) Jericho then the division would be seen as more of a draw. They need a strong heel champion who can work well with the various cruiser styles in the division. It doesn't really have anything to do with the guy's weight. If that was the case, then you could say someone like Rico or one of the Bashams or GMS would make the idel CW champ right now.

Hell, lets make a call and see what X-Pac is doing. :nono:

Being a strong heel champion really has nothing ot do with the worker's size.

[Funky Fly]

Chavo doesn't exactly look like a cruiserweight. He's not much smaller than a Chris Jericho or an Eddie Guerrero.

He's just being made to look like a bitch who needs his dad to win matches. What happenned to Crazy Chavo Jr who was on par with Eddie?

[Loose Cannon]

Maybe it's not the size of Hardy and Jericho; it's that both men are really good as heels. If Chavo were as good as drawing heat as either Hardy or (in his wildest dreams) Jericho then the division would be seen as more of a draw. They need a strong heel champion who can work well with the various cruiser styles in the division. It doesn't really have anything to do with the guy's weight. If that was the case, then you could say someone like Rico or one of the Bashams or GMS would make the idel CW champ right now.

Hell, lets make a call and see what X-Pac is doing. :nono:

Being a strong heel champion really has nothing ot do with the worker's size.


Good point about Rico. I think he could work because he has such a different type of chracter and he might as well use it in the Cruiserweight division where he will look stronger then just roaming around on Smackdown. But can Rico work well with the Cruier style? I think he can, but he's got to increase his match speed a little cause his matches are rather slow right now.

[Kane Knight]

Chavo doesn't exactly look like a cruiserweight. He's not much smaller than a Chris Jericho or an Eddie Guerrero.

He's just being made to look like a bitch who needs his dad to win matches. What happenned to Crazy Chavo Jr who was on par with Eddie?
Yeah, there's not much fight in the champion. He looks like a pansy, and it's kinda lessened my interest in his matches.

Not to bash the cowardly heel, because I think it can be done if done right. It's just that I don't really have an interest in Chavo right now.

I'm not really sure that bigger is better in a champion.

[Savio]

If Nuzio was champ it'd be great. But then that'd mean Chavo wouldn't be it...:( maybe co-champs would be the right direction.

[Boondock Saint]

I didn't watch WCW when Jericho was Crusierweight champ. But I enjoy the division currently, but Chavo-Rey for the title is getting repetitive. Sometimes they through Noble and Kidman in there but that's usually it. And Tajiri when he was there. But I'd like to see someone new hold the belt eventually.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, they keep doing that. Every three to four months, they pair up another couple to have matches ad nauseum. Before it was Noble/Tajiri, now they're gonna run this one into the ground.

[natureboycv]

<font color=8307ff><b>I dunno, I don't think that it matters how big the guy is. :-\</font></b>

[Kane Knight]

It's not size that matters, it's the skill you bring to the mat...:shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really think they should have given Chavo the win over Cena on SmackDown!. There are also rumours going around that Chavo will defend against Rey at Judgment Day. That really scraped my mind when I read it. I think they should give another CW a chance. Preferbly Funaki or Paul London.

BTW, Rico recently said in WWE Backdoor that he has the chance to go for the CW Title. I think the WWE might use him better there. He could make a great heel in the division.

P.S, am I the only one that thinks there are too many faces in the CW Divison? I think Billy Kidman should turn heel soon.

[MVP]

I always wanted to see Ultimo Dragon turn heel and feud with Rey Mysterio, that'd be ratings.

[Funky Fly]

I really think they should have given Chavo the win over Cena on SmackDown!. There are also rumours going around that Chavo will defend against Rey at Judgment Day. That really scraped my mind when I read it. I think they should give another CW a chance. Preferbly Funaki or Paul London.

BTW, Rico recently said in WWE Backdoor that he has the chance to go for the CW Title. I think the WWE might use him better there. He could make a great heel in the division.

P.S, am I the only one that thinks there are too many faces in the CW Divison? I think Billy Kidman should turn heel soon.
Is it just me, or is Rico's gut getting in the way of his cruiserweight aspirations?

[Kane Knight]

Is it just me, or is Rico's gut getting in the way of his cruiserweight aspirations?
It's also putting a strain on his outfits.

[PureHatred]

LC, you missed my point. I think Rico would make a terrible CW champion, especially with that shit gimmick he's using. Like I said, you need to build the division around a credible champion. A good heel who can cut decent promoms and can draw heat w/o the typcial cheating schtick. Having Chavo steal wins every week obviously isn't keeping anyone's interest.

Matt Hary would work wonders if he returned to SD.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, how shitty is a gimmick of psychological warfare...:shifty:

[PureHatred]

If that's the point, I don't think its coming across. Most fans are just seeing the typical freak/gay gimmick. Maybe if Rico had some segments where he's perfectly normal so we can see that its just a ploy, but right now he's a face who is supposed to be geting pops from wrestling fans for trying to grab another guys package. Maybe the psychological warfare thing will seem more apparent, but right now I just don't see it.

My own personal opinionis that routine always ran better when a heel did it. He acted like an over-the-top fruit outside the ring, the fans booed, then he beat the crap out of people inside the ring, and people booed more.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, people aren't seeing the point...Which is why it was making so many people's lists for memorable moments, why people are taking notice of it. Totally missed the mark.

[Kane Knight]

Plus, if Rico was "normal" in some segments, it would kinda piss on any psychological edge he's supposed to have.

How dare he go and act like an uppitty homosexual? Why don't they stick to their fashion careers, so I can be safe in my myopic little world!!!!!:mad:

[Loose Cannon]

LC, you missed my point. I think Rico would make a terrible CW champion, especially with that shit gimmick he's using. Like I said, you need to build the division around a credible champion. A good heel who can cut decent promoms and can draw heat w/o the typcial cheating schtick. Having Chavo steal wins every week obviously isn't keeping anyone's interest.

Matt Hary would work wonders if he returned to SD.

Okay, yeah I did read your post wrong. But I'm still standing by my words that Rico would make a pretty good champion. Put his wrestling skils aside for a moment. Rico has got that unique character that really stands out from everyone else and you can't help but hate. He needs to study some Adrian Street or Adrian Adonis tapes to see how to really excell at it though. I think just because of that type of unique character that the division would have a heel champion that people would want to see get the shit kicked out of him because of all that gay crap he pulls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think rico would make a great CW Champ. He's not that large, as well has he has great wrestling skills. Imagine him just countering a high-flying-triple-pheonix-hurricanrana-bomb...or something and then grabbing the wrestlers balls and smiling. That would get over great. :y:

Charlie Haas did a great job of selling Rico's stuff, and I'd love to see Rico feud with Dupree for the US Title (when Dupree finally wins it), but first is first, and that is the Cruiserweight Division. I personally think Chavo is great as Champ, though. :-\

[Kane Knight]

Okay, yeah I did read your post wrong. But I'm still standing by my words that Rico would make a pretty good champion. Put his wrestling skils aside for a moment. Rico has got that unique character that really stands out from everyone else and you can't help but hate. He needs to study some Adrian Street or Adrian Adonis tapes to see how to really excell at it though. I think just because of that type of unique character that the division would have a heel champion that people would want to see get the shit kicked out of him because of all that gay crap he pulls.
He should also look at some of Golddust's shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He should also look at some of Golddust's shit.

I've always considered Goldust and Rico's gimmicks similiar. :y:

[Wondermouse]

Okay, yeah I did read your post wrong. But I'm still standing by my words that Rico would make a pretty good champion. Put his wrestling skils aside for a moment. Rico has got that unique character that really stands out from everyone else and you can't help but hate. He needs to study some Adrian Street or Adrian Adonis tapes to see how to really excell at it though. I think just because of that type of unique character that the division would have a heel champion that people would want to see get the shit kicked out of him because of all that gay crap he pulls.

Really? Because he was getting massive love from the fans on SD.

Rico has to go through a few changes to become a heel.

[The CyNick]

I dont think the siz eof the CW has anything to do with how good the division is or isn't.

Its all about how the division is pushed.

The problem I see has always been that the CW title is positioned behind the US/IC title. There is a major problem there.

If I were booking the CW title would be on par (or slightly below) the World Title.

When you are champion of a division, you are at the peak, but the way they book it in wrestling (not just WWE) its like being a CW champ is no better than being the Womens Champion, which is wrong.

Chavo is good enough to carry a division, he gets plenty of heat, but the problem is that he hasn't been pushed since No Way Out. If they would keep all the CWs separate, never have them fight with the heavys and main even the title, it would get over. But they dont, so it wont, doesn't matter who the champ is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Here's my idea for the divison. On SmackDown! it's Rico vs. Nunzio with Nunzio defending his right to be #1 Contender for the CW Title:

Rico and Nunzio just do what they usually do. Rico reverses some fast move sby Nunzio into several sexual posisitions. On the outside Stamboli is flirting with Miss Jackie. Rico hits his stepover kick thing and goes outside where he plants one on Stamboli, then Stamboli goes all over Rico to the disgust of Miss Jackie, who low blows Stamboli, before Rico chucks him over the barricade, before Nunzio hits Rico from behind, taking him into the ring and puts Rico in a surfboard. Rico fights up and does more Rico stuff until Nunzio controls again, hits the Sicilian Slice and all his moves (to make him look good), then have him go for the Arrivaderci, which Rico counters in a very sexual way (a little bit of ball grabbing), so Nunzio slaps Rico in abit of a comedic routine and then gives Rico the Kiss of Death, which Tazz reveals means Nunzio's getting ECW dangerous, only for Rico to counter with his tongue going ECW dangerous on Nunzio. Nunzio cleans his mouth out while Rico dances and hits the Spin Kick for three, all the while Stamboli lays in the crowd looking like he's had the most wonderful dream.

It makes Stamboli look pretty bad, but it would certainly get him noticed by the WWE.

[Goldbird]

I still remembered the days when Jericho was Cruiserweight Champ. Simply fantastic.