Possible Major TNA Hard Justice Spoiler

[The Pope]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

TNA Wrestling officials are trying to put together a match between Rob Van Dam and Jerry Lynn for next month's Hard Justice pay-per-view, which would renew one of the most memorable rivalries in the history of ECW.

I think this match would still be as great as the ones they've had even though they are now old. Jerry Still has great matches in RoH, and RVD can still move around in the ring.
Thoughts?

[CSL]

Re-hashing 11 year old angles and matches now. That's gotta be a new TNA record. I'm sure the match would be fine since Jerry Lynn has actually been cryogenically frozen since 2002 and only gets let out for his matches and Van Dam is Van Dam but come the fuck on.

[BizarroKing]

But isn't RVD scheduled to face Abyss at Hard Justice already?

[Lock Jaw]

Some people on the internet are probably getting a Hard Justice thinking about this.

As for me... still not a big fan of RVD.

[Volare]

Are there any other groups that need to be reunited or something? We can probably plot out TNA's storylines for the next 6 months on that information alone.

[Snowden]

Meh. At least they're going for authenticity.

Though if they book this, and Tommy Dreamer and Raven are all hugs and kisses, then its kind of ridiculous.

[BollywoodSingh]

If Lynn still has it, then I'm all for this. The RVD-Lynn matches are one of the few things I liked about ECW.

[Droford]

Only if Jerry Lynn wrestles with a mask as Mr JL and everyone acts as if they have no idea who it is..

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/jerrylynn/01.jpg

[jskinnyg]

I think this would bring legit to the table if it was a One Time and One Time only thing... I hate that they keep re-hashing old shit, especially the ECW angle... But the matches between these two were legendary...

I call exception to the rule here!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm on the fence. On one hand, I'd rather see RVD vs. Lynn than RVD vs. Abyss. I mean, we've got be honest -- it'll be one of those matches that we are seeing. Also, the whole ECW theme at least helps Hard Justice stand out. Especially if they don't go exclusively ECW with it, and allow Jeff Hardy and Samoa Joe to have a match, and that sort of thing.

I say go with RVD vs. Lynn. Maybe even keep Lynn around for a few months afterwards, to help put over some X-Division guys.

[VSG]

Who is Jerry Lynn?

[CSL]

The lead singer of Nickelback. He wrestles every now and again.

[Providence Peep]

Are there any other groups that need to be reunited or something? We can probably plot out TNA's storylines for the next 6 months on that information alone.

Maybe TNA should bring in these guys and have them attack Tommy Dreamer again. :shifty:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O-9i0M4wW2w/S61TroQ3q7I/AAAAAAAAAns/ysc-qpP7hAc/s400/Bushwhackers.jpg

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Re-hash or not; I would order that ppv to watch them go again.

[jskinnyg]

I say go with RVD vs. Lynn. Maybe even keep Lynn around for a few months afterwards, to help put over some X-Division guys.

I do like this idea...

[Rollermacka]

Maybe TNA should bring in these guys and have them attack Tommy Dreamer again. :shifty:

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/fullbloodeditalians.jpg

[CSL]

Tracy Smothers will forever be the fucking man.

[St. Jimmy]

I don't care about the angle or anything else, if they can get that match together I would love it. The two can still go.

[jskinnyg]

The lead singer of Nickelback. He wrestles every now and again.

Keep it comin'... Wait, that's actually an insult to Jerry...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually want TNA to sign Little Guido. God, I love that little guy. Tracy Smothers being signed would not earn too many complaints from me, either.

[CSL]

He's a mess, he should have stopped a long time ago from a health POV :(

[Mr. Nerfect]

Are we talking Tracy Smothers? :(

[CSL]

Uh huh. Apparently he started wrestling again recently as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The dude isn't Ric Flair old, but he should probably watch his health.

[Lara Emily]

The lead singer of Nickelback. He wrestles every now and again.

OMG yes, I swear to god up until mow I thought I was the only one who saw them as practically twins

[CSL]

The dude isn't Ric Flair old, but he should probably watch his health.

Apparently he had some really serious health problems last year and was advised to jack it in. And not long ago somebody said he's wrestling again. So dunno. He's not as old as Flair age-wise but it doesn't sound like he's in good shape.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tracy Smothers given a job by someone in just a token sort of role. Give the guy some money to keep him from hurting himself. Even if he just had this Chuck Norris like "don't fuck with him" vibe about him. Bring in Little Guido, who I love insanely, and have Smothers as his non-wrestling buddy/coach. Guido in the X-Division is something I would love. I like the concept of a little guy with a big man complex who can kick as a lot of ass just because of how skilled he is.

If TNA is looking for ECW guys who can still work, get in touch with Super Crazy and Nova. I'm sure neither is what they used to be, but Nova was never a guy who needed to fly. Even as Simon Dean, he did little things that just worked and made him so fun to watch. If only he wasn't such a comedy character and was allowed to be something more.

[Wolfpack423]

If Lynn still has it, then I'm all for this. The RVD-Lynn matches are one of the few things I liked about ECW.

I agree. There were very few things I liked about ECW. RVD-Lynn was one, Taz's reign as ECW champion, Awesome vs. Tanaka matches, Raven-Dreamer/Sandman feuds and not much else. Alot of the roster like New Jack, Balls Mahoney, Axl/Ian Rotten never appealed to me. I did like Lance Storm/Justin Credible as the Impact Players and I never liked Shane Douglas or Sabu to be honest. I just feel every match I see of Sabu he always manages to mess up in the match at least twice.

I thought that RVD was defending against Abyss too in some type of Full Metal Mayhem with "Janice" hanging above the ring, at least that's what I got from Impact. RVD-Lynn will be good but not as good as there 1999 series.

[Chavo Classic]

It's been over a decade since these matches; I dunno if they could pull it off.

[Mr. JL]

Only if Jerry Lynn wrestles with a mask as Mr JL and everyone acts as if they have no idea who it is..

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/jerrylynn/01.jpg

What are you getting at...:shifty:

[DAMN iNATOR]

Who is Jerry Lynn?

REALLY?!

*SIGH...*

->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Lynn<-

[Volare]

We Want New Jack!

[Fox]

Might at well try and book Super Crazy vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri vs. Little Guido w/ the FBI, too.

Throw in a piece of shit main event featuring The Sandman, Steve Corino and a bunch of weapons and it'll be 2001 all over again.

[Volare]

Oh yeah, bring back Cyrus.

[Xero]

RAM JAM!

[thedamndest]

This would probably be one of the better matches TNA could have. I would hope they change the feud a little bit instead saying "Here's Jerry Lynn, now you guys are going to wrestle 10 matches for RVD's title." It will probably just be that though.

[The Pope]

Uh huh. Apparently he started wrestling again recently as well.

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[CSL]

That's an old vid but yeah, he fucking hates JBL.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I demand that TNA return the Nasty Boys to ring-action.

[The Pope]

He was in CAPW for a while then he was never there when they converted into PWO. He was great on the mic!

[The Pope]

I demand that TNA return the Nasty Boys to ring-action.

I think it's safe to say that we all want that.

[The Pope]

TNA changed the name to Hardcore Justice: One Last Stand

[Xero]

lol

[Xero]

Can they even pretend to try to be different?

[jskinnyg]

I don't think they are capable of the word Different...

[The Pope]

Didn't TNA do like a One Night Stand a long time ago like in 2004 before WWE?

[Dave Youell]

If a Van Dam/Lynn match is half as good now as it used to be, I'd watch it and love it

[Xero]

Didn't TNA do like a One Night Stand a long time ago like in 2004 before WWE?

2006. And it was just TNA in the ECW Arena. "TNA Hardcore War".

[The Pope]

2006. And it was just TNA in the ECW Arena. "TNA Hardcore War".

No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.

[mike adamle]

TNA changed the name to Hardcore Justice: One Last Stand

I thought you were joking, can't believe they're actually doing this.

[The Pope]

I thought you were joking, can't believe they're actually doing this.

No, it's for real man.

[Xero]

No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.

It may have been their second time there (I think they did do two), but they weren't ECW shows. They were just TNA shows with a hardcore theme and a few ECW talents sprinkled in.

I guess you would consider CZW shows in the Arena "ECW Shows" too? They were doing them before WWE did One Night Stand.

[Volare]

Why did you bring up CZW Xero? You might attact retarded fanboys who are in love with that shit here by mistake.

[ImpactPlayer365]

This is all because of that company's research into what TNA watchers fondly remember about wrestling?

[Savio]

does RVD still have the title? If so why doesnt TNA build up any of their stars?

[DLVH84]

I doubt Jerry Lynn will return to TNA, after how bad they misused him. He's better off staying in ROH.

[The Pope]

does RVD still have the title? If so why doesnt TNA build up any of their stars?

They are, Lethal, Abyss, Kazarian, Aj, Wolfe, Joe

[Mr. Nerfect]

I doubt Jerry Lynn will return to TNA, after how bad they misused him. He's better off staying in ROH.

I dunno. If I were Jerry Lynn, and Hulk Hogan came up to me and said "Hey man, we want to give you a few thousand dollars to main event one of our PPVs against this guy you're known for having show-stealing matches with. And then you're free to go back and do your ROH thing," I'd probably say yes.

[The Pope]

I dunno. If I were Jerry Lynn, and Hulk Hogan came up to me and said "Hey man, we want to give you a few thousand dollars to main event one of our PPVs against this guy you're known for having show-stealing matches with. And then you're free to go back and do your ROH thing," I'd probably say yes.

Exactly

[The Pope]

Keyfabe (but pretty true)
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[Swiss Ultimate]

They are, Lethal, Abyss, Kazarian, Aj, Wolfe, Joe

Can they please build down Abyss and give his spot to the Motor City Machine Guns?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Motor City Machine Guns have been given quite a bit of air-time lately. They are currently involved in a feud against Beer Money over the TNA World Tag Team Titles (which Sabin & Shelley are holding for the first times in their careers).

[The Pope]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Initial plans for TNA Hard Justice called for the event to be headlined by a TNA vs. "ECW" bout. Officials have since decided to make the event an "all-ECW" show similar to WWE's One Night Stand in 2005.

Wrestlers from the original ECW are being contacted and major TNA stars such as AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Ric Flair are not currently not scheduled to appear on the show.

TNA Hard Justice is largely being put together by Tommy Dreamer, who has been contacting numerous former ECW talents alongside Terry Taylor.

The current planned name for the ECW faction in TNA is 'The Riot Makers'. Of course, that can always change.

[Jeritron]

The ECW alumni really need to let go. I feel like it's a bunch of washed up high school football stars who still put on the letterman jacket and wish they were 16 again. Feel like a dick saying it because I think they're great, but it's getting uncomfortable.
The whole "getting the band back together" thing is becoming sad.

[The Pope]

Source: Prowrestling.net

– It has been confirmed that the main event of next month’s Hard Justice will feature TNA World Heavyweight Champion Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn. It is unknown at this time whether the title will be on the line.

[Xero]

What does the ECW PPV even do for TNA?

Why is TNA even doing this? I know for a fact that Heyman would never want this, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were to push Heyman away.

TNA needs to build up their own fucking brand. I've been saying this for years, and they just don't do it. It's all about the past. It's all about other promotions. It's all about trying to beat WWE.

[Xero]

They won't have Tajiri or Super Crazy, for the record. Two of the better performers available won't be on the show.

[Xero]

From PWInsider:

The 8/8 TNA Hard Justice PPV became an ECW-themed PPV at last Monday's Impact taping. I was told the company had one direction planned for their angle involving former ECW talents and Dreamer pitched a newer idea and they went with that instead. TNA President Dixie Carter has signed off on Dreamer running the show and it will basically be a one-off ECW show. A lot of people have been pretty impressed with how much trust Dreamer has already been given by management. Dreamer has been contacting talent regarding their availability with Terry Taylor handling the financial end of things.

The PPV will apparently end up with a new title as well. TNA sent a new commercial to their PPV partners several days ago dubbing the 8/8 PPV "Hardcore Justice: One Last Stand." While I have not seen the spot, I am told that the commercial features a brief "ECW" chant. The company will have to be very careful about how they use the ECW letters in regard to the PPV.

Paul Heyman has nothing to do with this angle, so far. My belief is that Heyman wouldn't have gone with this direction, because what does it do to grow the TNA letters and identity, which has been one of his primary criticisms of the company. I am told that the angle is not a sign that negotiations have ended and the two sides are still talking. I am also told this reunion is NOT the big surprise Dixie Carter has been talking about in regard to changes within the company, either. This basically came together very fast over several days last week as a new independent idea for the PPV.

Talent we have confirmed that have been contacted to work and are expected to appear are Jerry Lynn, Sandman, Sabu, Spike Dudley, The FBI, Axl Rotten, Balls Mahoney and Swinger. That said, until contracts are signed, no one is 100% set in stone. Those who were booked were asked to keep their involvement quiet. The hope is to have TNA champion Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn headlining the PPV, but that is not signed and sealed yet. I am told there are multiple plans for the top matches on the show based on what talents will be available. The plan is to announce two or three matches ahead of time and leave the rest of the card as a surprise, since the original company rarely advertised matches for their events.

There's been an interesting response from former ECW talents. Some were said to have gotten choked up and excited for the show based on a promo cut by Tommy Dreamer that will air on Thursday's Impact. Others have taken a "we've been down this road before" tact and see it as just another show. Outside talents who were contacted were said to have responded in one of two ways. Some were said to be extremely thankful for the chance and excited at seeing the old locker room again. Others were trying to pull a money grab and get as much as they could for the appearance. One story making the rounds in Nashville that got a lot of laughs was a talent who has been off television forever playing hardball and refusing to come in unless he was granted a multi-year contract by TNA.

A source close to Shane Douglas has intimated that Douglas was contacted for the event, but has not agreed to terms. I heard a few days ago that Douglas was pitching the idea of wrestling Ric Flair on the show, but I don't see that as happening. That issue has been long since gone and the two did a program in WCW previously. Plus, I don't see that as working on what is supposed to be an "ECW" themed show.

Yoshihiro Tajiri and Super Crazy are booked for Japanese dates on 8/8, so they are absolutely not available for the PPV. Tajiri is working for New Japan that week while Crazy is booked for All Japan Pro Wrestling on a tour that ends on 8/8. I don't expect we'll see Masato Tanaka either as it's likely too close to the show to get a working visa for him to appear.

Talents who had independent bookings that weekend will be flown in on Sunday morning of the PPV while others will be doing a Saturday meet and greet with fans the night before the PPV at the NASCAR restaurant at Universal Citiwalk.

The company is taking a similar stance to the show that WWE did with the first ECW PPV in that they are trying to book everyone they can to help give it an authentic feel, from the wrestlers to the managers to even referees. I would hope someone will reach out to ECW Founder Tod Gordon, as it was criminal he wasn't asked to become involved in the first WWE ECW PPV and was never mentioned beyond a thank you from Paul Heyman. There's talk of paying homage to ECW talents who won't be at the PPV on the show itself as well.

Reports of a Sandman & Dreamer & New Jack vs. Rhino & Richards & Raven tag are without merit.

While this PPV is the only plans to do something with an "ECW" theme, I am told that there could be additional appearances for some of the talents coming out of it, with them being integrated into TNA storylines. However, nothing is 100% set in stone.

For fans who have asked about attending the PPV, as I have noted previously, the only way to 100% guarantee entry to the PPV is to buy a weekend VIP Package from www.shoptna.com, which also includes a ton of other events and freebies. Between TNA's VIP line, the line of Universal Studios theme park attendees and a general public line outside the park, TNA routinely turns away 100-200 fans from their PPV tapings. Given the amount of interest this PPV has garnered from out of town fans, I expect that number of fans to increase, so if you are dying to go, go for the VIP ticket.

[Snowden]

So lemme get this straight...they're going to hold a PPV, that instead of takes advantage of the ECW name by showcasing their own talent alongside the ECW alumni (and possibly pulling in more viewers due to association/the 'shit, this is kinda cool factor), just produce three hours of a PPV, half with guys who probably won't be there three months from now.

Why wouldn't you have RVD drop the title due to ECW (Jerry Lynn) interference, have them go at it, and do a short invasion properly, with the title on the line against ECW?

Whatever...TNA has a lot of potential, but its silly moves like this that won't let them get off the ground.

[thecc]

No, I thought that was their second time there. I don't know you may be right.You're probably thinking about those Hardcore Homecoming shows. Shane Douglas ran those.