10ish years too late? (spoiler?)

[Bad Company]

Yeah, this whole Kane as champion, sure, we all love him, and have wanted to see this for a while, but has too much water gone under the bridge for him to be a successful and credible world champion?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, I buy it. The guy has been doing better ring work than he's ever really done. He might not be reaching a peak quite as noticeable as The Undertaker, but generally Kane can work with the right guy really well these days. He might look out of shape and such, but he's got enough strength to still be a believable monster.

Plus, from a storyline perspective, this is the most pissed off Kane has been in a long time. If I were a mark, I'd be eating up Kane's World Heavyweight Title win right now.

[DaVe]

no way

Kane's character means, like Show, he can do whatever he wants and still look like a legit threat. Not to mention he's been the number one guy/focus on Smackdown the past month or so...

[Mr. Nerfect]

If the WWE were Dragon Ball Z, Kane would have just worked out how to ascend to the new level of Super Saiyan.

[VSG]

If the WWE were Dragon Ball Z, Kane would have just worked out how to ascend to the new level of Super Saiyan.

O-kay then!

[BizarroKing]

I think he can pull it off. The question is, will Taker be back for summerslam?

[Kane Knight]

He's a hoss. He's not going to lose momentum. The larger you are, the more you can be beaten down and turn it around in WWE pro wrestling.

Hell, Kane gets some pretty good pops on a losing streak. Give him a few wins and the freak show fans will be eating out of his palm.

[Wishbone]

If the WWE were Dragon Ball Z, Kane would have just worked out how to ascend to the new level of Super Saiyan.

IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

[Nark Order]

I called this btw and Jeritron was naysaying in my general direction!

[Innovator]

He's a hoss. He's not going to lose momentum. The larger you are, the more you can be beaten down and turn it around in WWE pro wrestling.

Hell, Kane gets some pretty good pops on a losing streak. Give him a few wins and the freak show fans will be eating out of his palm.
Yeah he's in that circle in WWE where you get job out for a month, then win two matches then the title and be completely credible.

I see this as a lifetime achievement/gold watch for Kane. One last run on top.

[Nark Order]

Yeah he's in that circle in WWE where you get job out for a month, then win two matches then the title and be completely credible.

I see this as a lifetime achievement/gold watch for Kane. One last run on top.

Yeah, which is why I thought him winning MITB was kind of silly, seeing as how they could just give him a shot and people would buy it.

[Innovator]

Maybe just to swerve everyone who thought Drew McIntyre would win? I dunno, guessing what WWE Creative is trying to do hurts my brain.

[The Pope]

No, He is still a very good river and should have no trouble bringing fisherman in.

[Xero]

It gets the title back onto Taker eventually. That's all I can see this run good for.

I'd prefer him to get a proper, or at least token good run, but I don't see it happening.

[The Pope]

I want to see him have the title for a whole year.

[Brigstocke]

I'm just glad they didn't leave it on that little pipsqueak with the mask.

[Xero]

The midget with bad knees.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hmmm, wish I went to that now.

[Brigstocke]

However, if the WWE had planned for this, would it have not looked better to have Kane beat Swagger to win the title? As Reys stupid run now seems just that, stupid.

The title has lost two points in my eyes.

[The Jayman]

It gets the title back onto Taker eventually. That's all I can see this run good for.

I'd prefer him to get a proper, or at least token good run, but I don't see it happening.

Agreed. I see Kane being the one responsible for Taker's attack and it's going to lead to another Brother vs Brother but this time for the WHC.

[The Pope]

Agreed. I see Kane being the one responsible for Taker's attack and it's going to lead to another Brother vs Brother but this time for the WHC.

I don't want to see this again.

[Ermaximus]

Kane vs Taker for the WHC in an Inferno Casket HIAC match. :nono:

[Xero]

I don't want to see this again.

Well tough shit, cause it's happening.

[VSG]

Kane vs Taker for the WHC in an Inferno Casket HIAC match. :nono:

That's a pretty contradictory gimmick match-up.

[Xero]

Not really. You have to light the casket on fire from torches on the side of the Cell.

[Volare]

Well tough shit, cause it's happening.

It sure as hell is. Who knows Kane might beat Taker...




























For only the SECOND time!

[Kane Knight]

Kane vs Taker for the WHC in an Inferno Casket HIAC match. :nono:

That's a pretty contradictory gimmick match-up.

Nah. It makes perfect sense. You see, you're trapped in a flaming cell with a casket, which you have to put your opponent in and light on fire by piledriving it through the flaming cell.

[Ermaximus]

Not really. You have to light the casket on fire from torches on the side of the Cell.

While the souls of all the people Taker has claimed in HIAC and Casket matches are in jars hanging from the top of the HIAC.

[The Jayman]

While the souls of all the people Taker has claimed in HIAC and Casket matches are in jars hanging from the top of the HIAC.

along with the corpse of Big Boss Man

[VSG]

Then I demand Paul Bearer is the special guest referee for that match! He can go "Light him on fire, Kane, unleash hell upon your dead brother" or "Oooh Yeaah, Undertaker, that hits the spot. Now just go harder and faster."

[XCaliber]

If Taker can be a credible champion at his age there's no reason Kane can't be despite not being in the best of shape he is still a very agile hoss.

[jskinnyg]

Agreed. I see Kane being the one responsible for Taker's attack and it's going to lead to another Brother vs Brother but this time for the WHC.

Yup... That would be a nice Re-Hash...

[Nicky Fives]

I think he'll be fine..... at this point in his career, I feel as though he can't really have good matches with people close to his size (Show & Swagger come to mind), but I'm sure that smaller guys like Mysterio, Punk, Christian & Hardy can help him appear as a legit threat......

[Attitude99]

Finally I've waited so long for Kane become A World CHampion, I Hope They Don't screw him again

[Kane Knight]

If Taker can be a credible champion at his age there's no reason Kane can't be despite not being in the best of shape he is still a very agile hoss.
Except Undertaker is Undertaker. Kane's not on the same tier, though he's enough of a fan favourite he should still be able to pull it off.

[CSL]

I see this as a lifetime achievement/gold watch for Kane. One last run on top.

If this is the case then okay. If not then I'm not a fan at all. Kane is about 6 years past being a credible potential champion.

[Savio]

Rey dropped the title both times to people I think really deserved it.

Kane even before he won, was the big man on campus.

[Jeritron]

I'm not one to get hung up over these things, but they might be able to use this oppurtunity to retool and "freshen up" his look.
Kane had always gone through changes like that, but he hasn't seen one in 6 years.

[Team Sheep]

I don't think his reign will be too long. It will work because Kane can just be slotted into the main event whenever and be credible. It's always been this way with him. And tbh with Swagger and Mysterio being the last 2 champs, he'll have no problems.

[Jeritron]

That doesn't mean it's another "bring the mask back" suggestion

[CSL]

What about a curly blonde mullet?

[Jeritron]

That would be fantastic

[DAMN iNATOR]

I don't think it will happen but I'd like to see Kane keep the title at least past SummerSlam, and ideally up until Survivor Series. Sadly, however it seems pretty evident (from my perspective, at least) that we're only going to experience a short "keeping the title warm for Undertaker before dropping it to him at SummerSlam" reign.

[Snowden]

Rey dropped the title both times to people I think really deserved it.

Kane even before he won, was the big man on campus.

Thats exactly what I think they're trying to pull off. With Punk hurt, the main event scene on Smackdown is essentially Swagger, Mysterio, and Show...and instead of hotshotting Drew McIntyre into the main event picture, they refreshed him, made him credible, and even better, made him a tweener in the process. Considering how shallow things are, until 'Taker comes back there needs to be a flexible champion.

[Savio]

I believe Mysterio has nagging injuries aswell right?

[Snowden]

I think so, yeah. He's been putting off knee surgery for quite some time if I remember correctly.

[TGR]

Kane is always built up as a credible threat, winning or not, primarily because JR, King, and MC have done a great job selling him even when he was jobbing. He's at the rare stage that he shares with HBK, Show, HHH, and Undertaker (among others) that no matter how many times he goes away or gets his ass kicked, he's always a force to be reckoned with.

[Jeritron]

HHH and Undertaker never get their ass kicked or slum in the midcard though. Still, I get your point.
He is a lot like Big Show, and HBK from his second run. I think Jericho falls into that category as well. They are established main eventers who spend a lot of time in the midcard or jobbing, but reach a bulletproof status where no matter what they're doing they can be cycled in and out of the main event at any time.

[Londoner]

Kane vs Taker for the WHC in an Inferno Casket HIAC match. :nono:

I sense a new PPV idea :shifty:

[Ermaximus]

I sense a new PPV idea :shifty:

Maybe I should copyright that idea now...

[Londoner]

I wonder what the ppv should be called, hmmmmmmm......

[Ermaximus]

I wonder what the ppv should be called, hmmmmmmm......

"Iron Chef Bobby Flay presents, WWE Inferno Casket Hell in a Cell. Live on PPV."

[Joesgonnakillyou]

The love people have for Kane always really surprises me. Don't get me wrong, i like him but he's not amazing.

[Kane Knight]

If this is the case then okay. If not then I'm not a fan at all. Kane is about 6 years past being a credible potential champion.

LOL. I love you man, and normally I wouldn't call you retarded, but that was seriously "sit in the back of the class with the safety scissors" retarded.

[jskinnyg]

The love people have for Kane always really surprises me. Don't get me wrong, i like him but he's not amazing.

I think it might have to do with the respect the fans & locker room have for his being one of the hardest workers in the business...

[blak23]

it should be a legit feud between kane and undertaker i think to have it end at summerslam would be a big waste of time im thinkin taker appears at summerslam and kane drops it at survivor series

[CSL]

LOL. I love you man, and normally I wouldn't call you retarded, but that was seriously "sit in the back of the class with the safety scissors" retarded.

I stopped 'buying Kane as a threat' years ago. Kane as WHC for any reason other than loyalty and/or to flip the belt to Taker in 2010 is lazy and/or daft.

[Kane Knight]

Like I said. "Pants on head" retarded.

[VSG]

Don't you have other jobbers to troll first?

[Nark Order]

When you're Kane Knight, there are no jobbers on the forum. Everybody is a threat.

[CSL]

Like I said. "Pants on head" retarded.

lol ok, why is this? And make your mind up, I'm either a danger to myself with hand operated cutting instruments or fond of unconventional head garments, not both.

[Jeritron]

Kane is always a threat since the fans pop to see him beat the shit out of people no matter where he is on the card. Kane may slum in the midcard a lot, and not be as imposing as he was in the mask days, but I don't have a problem accepting him as a champion now or at any point, regardless of where he was a month ago

[CSL]

He probably wouldn't be in the position he's been in for so long/even still employed if that weren't the case. I myself just haven't cared about him in an age. I'm happy for him personally that he got it but barring a big overhaul, he's hardly about to set business alight.

[Jeritron]

He's not going to set the world on fire at all (awful pun), but in the age of two world titles I think a Kane run is overdue.
I definitely would have preferred it in 2002 or earlier, but I'm just happy to see it. Thankfully he's bulletproof with the crowd and years of inconsistent booking and bad changes to his gimmick haven't stopped the majority from buying him, I think. I guess time will tell on that but either way I don't expect it to last very long or do any real damage. So to me it's all win.
I certainly have an easier time buying this than Swagger or even Rey.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he can pull it off. The question is, will Taker be back for summerslam?

While they've pulled Triple H from SummerSlam commercials and such, The Undertaker still appears in them. If it's not going to be Kane vs. The Undertaker, then I expect we'll see the lights go off and a familiar gong sound after Kane's match.

Maybe just to swerve everyone who thought Drew McIntyre would win? I dunno, guessing what WWE Creative is trying to do hurts my brain.

I don't really think it's a swerve. Money in the Bank is getting harder and harder to call. I don't know anyone who seriously called Jack Swagger winning (who had followed the product in those recent months), although once he came out an inkling trickled into my mind (especially with McIntyre getting his entrance cut especially short).

With this being the first Money in the Bank PPV, it isn't really surprising that the WWE went with an established guy winning one, and then a rising star winning the other. If you had Drew McIntyre and The Miz both win, then you have so many new guys you are pushing to the moon (Wade Barrett, Sheamus, The Miz, Drew McIntyre). The only real doubt I had about McIntyre winning was that if he cashed in on Rey Mysterio, then you would have had Sheamus and McIntyre as the respective World Champions. That's two guys that a lot of people don't feel are ready.

Kane may not exactly be a guy always circling around the title, but him winning is putting the World Title on a guy that has technically been there before (no matter how brief it was), and has a tremendous rapport with the fans. It also helps to add to that "who is going to win?" stigma that floats around the match, and makes it harder to typecast a potential winner. MITB matches are getting almost impossibly hard to call.

That it also made perfect sense within the Swagger/Mysterio storyline works to. I didn't call it when I first saw it, for the same reasons that many have said -- Kane is fairly established and doesn't need it, etc. -- but when you look back and see how Kane still thinks Swagger is responsible for The Undertaker's condition, his saving Rey made sense in a babyface sort of "I'm here for my own motives and they just tie into your well-being" sort of way; but also into the fact he was SmackDown!'s MITB holder, and Rey was the World Heavyweight Champion.

However, if the WWE had planned for this, would it have not looked better to have Kane beat Swagger to win the title? As Reys stupid run now seems just that, stupid.

The title has lost two points in my eyes.

Not really. Rey Mysterio was given the World Title as a thank you for sticking around when he was about to take time off. It was pretty much a political reign. It doesn't hurt that Rey moves a lot of merchandise, is massively over with the casuals, and you can never really do too wrong by giving a run here and there as a way of throwing the audience a bone.

Plus, when they do start Kane vs. Taker, it is almost definite that Kane will be playing the heel. Beating up poor Rey gives people little hints towards Kane's inevitable turn.

He's not going to set the world on fire at all (awful pun), but in the age of two world titles I think a Kane run is overdue.
I definitely would have preferred it in 2002 or earlier, but I'm just happy to see it. Thankfully he's bulletproof with the crowd and years of inconsistent booking and bad changes to his gimmick haven't stopped the majority from buying him, I think. I guess time will tell on that but either way I don't expect it to last very long or do any real damage. So to me it's all win.
I certainly have an easier time buying this than Swagger or even Rey.

I don't know if I buy it more than Swagger, but I don't really have a problem with Kane holding the gold. I don't expect it to change the face of wrestling, but not many guys do that in this day and age. Rey was going to drop the World Title to someone -- would Drew McIntyre have been any more credible? And as much as I love him, Christian himself is overdue to the point where him winning the big one will just be "about time," too. Immensely entertaining, but nothing that will change the face of the WWE. World Titles reigns probably shouldn't be booked with that mentality (although if they were, things might be a little different when a guy like Sheamus actually does win the WWE Title).

While it might just be my wishful thinking, I'm also hopeful that this isn't just to hot-shot the title back onto Undertaker. He's had more than enough runs with the belt, and it's no secret that the guy has a tremendous amount of respect to Kane (even as far as being willing to drop his streak to him). Conventional booking sort of says that The Undertaker needs to look good against Kane, as he'll be the babyface out for revenge, but there is a part of me that is hopeful in that since we're not around WrestleMania, Taker might give Kane one of the biggest wins of his career, and put him over.

Taker will no doubt beat Kane eventually, and that's technically the way it should be, but let's say Kane faces Rey in a one-on-one rematch at SummerSlam. Kane goes over cleanly and then goes after Mysterio's leg. Michael Cole is screaming "Kane has snapped!" You can even drop hints that Kane believes Rey is responsible because he only got his Fatal 4-Way shot once Taker was out of the picture. Kane is destroying Rey's leg when the lights go out, and then The Undertaker is in the ring. "You did it to me, Kane." The Big Red Machine is freaking out, and goes to boot Taker, but the Dead Man side-steps and starts throwing hard rights at Kane. He sends Kane packing in the end to the SmackDown! portion of the show.

SmackDown! features Kane cutting a weird backstage promo, finally confessing that he did do it -- cue Kane's maniacal laugh. "It was so easy." Taker gets his shot at Night of Champions, and the two brothers face off. Hopefully they work a smarter match than they have in the past, increasing the quality, and Kane just can't put Taker down with the World Heavyweight Title on the line. He goes nuts and gets himself disqualified (I hate that on PPVs, but I think with these two it will work). Kane is about to do something that would "comatose" The Undertaker again, but the lights go out, and when they're back on, Taker is nowhere to be found.

The next PPV is Hell in a Cell, where they have enough history to really warrant the stipulation. Even though it would seem obvious that The Undertaker would go over there, reverse fate and have Kane just get so vicious he actually beats his brother and retains his title. Survivor Series is next, and that's the "birthplace" of Taker. Kane can say it'll be where he meets his final end. You can either go with Kane vs. The Undertaker in a Casket Match, or something, or have a team of guys reluctantly assigned to team up with the monsters. Either way, Taker will probably have his moment there. If the title isn't on the line, then it leads to one final match between the two to close out 2010 at Tables, Ladders & Chairs. Personally, I'd love to see Kane win the feud, but it probably ain't gonna happen. That's just in time for someone to win the Royal Rumble (my bet is Randy Orton), and tease him having the choice between John Cena and The Undertaker. Two massive main events right there.

[The Mackem]

Holy shit. I'm going to have to take a day off work to read all of that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You must read slow, Mack. :p

[Kane Knight]

lol ok, why is this? And make your mind up, I'm either a danger to myself with hand operated cutting instruments or fond of unconventional head garments, not both.

You can easily be both.

Guy gets rebuilt as a monster all the time. It's clear it works. The only thing WWE needs to do to make it work as a champion-level deal is not job him out two weeks after. It can work for most hosses, but Kane's gimmick probably makes it work even easier.

Pretty much already been explained, so I'm not sure why I need to repeat myself.

[The Mackem]

Are you retarded Kane Knight?

If he is a retard it might take longer to sink in.

God, I'm surrounded by retards.

[The Mackem]

You must read slow, Mack. :p

I am retarded.

[Kane Knight]

If he is a retard it might take longer to sink in.


Good point. I shouldn't speak down to him.

[Kane Knight]

I am retarded.

I just assumed the length of time it would take had more to do with your eyes bleeding from that shite.

[CSL]

You can easily be both.

Guy gets rebuilt as a monster all the time. It's clear it works. The only thing WWE needs to do to make it work as a champion-level deal is not job him out two weeks after. It can work for most hosses, but Kane's gimmick probably makes it work even easier.

Pretty much already been explained, so I'm not sure why I need to repeat myself.

No shit. I don't seem to recall the part where I said it's a terrible business move or that the kids won't buy it. I personally (not the 99% of wrestling fans that don't post on the internet) think it's pointless and have Xero Limit 126 interest in Kane.

[McLegend]

I think it's dumb, and I think he doesn't deserve one more run on top.

But if people like it then maybe it's a good move.

[Schlomey]

Vintage Noid! Great post.

[Kane Knight]

No shit. I don't seem to recall the part where I said it's a terrible business move or that the kids won't buy it. I personally (not the 99% of wrestling fans that don't post on the internet) think it's pointless and have Xero Limit 126 interest in Kane.

*facepalm*

Well duh.

[Kane Knight]

Though you did call it lazy and/or daft, which does kind of preclude the notion that it's a good idea.

But I'm glad you're now contesting an uncontested point. You asked me to explain and I explained.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stop being so narrow, KK. He doesn't have to explain in your rules. He's got his opinion of Kane's title run. It doesn't match up with yours. Whatever.

[Kane Knight]

Stop being so narrow, KK. He doesn't have to explain in your rules. He's got his opinion of Kane's title run. It doesn't match up with yours. Whatever.

Remember when "claim of right to an opinion" was one of my "Stupid People Tricks" and you claimed you didn't do it? You just did.

Of course it's opinion. Until you can produce a mathematical formula for estimating the value of a performer, almost everything on here will remain opinion. Derp.

Yup, doesn't match up. Hence, argument. Derp.

I wasn't defining it by my terms. Unless you're talking the very specific case of him saying something that you'd be hard pressed to find non-commercial reasoning for saying. In which case, he can defend himself. Derp.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Way to reach. I think the statue of limitations has run out on that one. Claim of right to an opinion isn't a stupid person trick. When people hide behind an opinion that has no basis, I sort of see your point. But not everyone lives in a little debating bubble. You have to understand that, right? CSL has zero interest in Kane. That is enough.

Thank you for defeating yourself with your second attempt at a paragraph. Derp.

No, an arguement on your terms. Instead of putting the onus on everyone else to please you, why don't you try and prove to CSL why Kane should be interesting. And don't bring up those "uncontested points" like "casuals would love it." Discuss it on his terms and see how well you do.

He doesn't need to "defend himself." Jesus Christ, get off your fat ass and get a law degree or something. Don't take that bullshit into regular interaction. How the fuck you find me autistic is beyond me. CSL does not need commercial reasoning to dislike Kane being the World Champion.

If this is the case then okay. If not then I'm not a fan at all. Kane is about 6 years past being a credible potential champion.

You put so much stock into this. All CSL is saying is "Look, I respect Kane, and I guess he can handle a thank you reign. But I can't buy Kane as being pushed as a modern force at 43 years old, and 11 years removed from his only other World Title win."

He's not wrong to say that. There's a difference in discussing something productively, and trying to bash another person's ideas out of them using straw-men and insults which really don't make you seem as witty as you think you are. Facepalming is old, dude. Derp.

Instead of getting so bogged down in "Stupid People Tricks," maybe actually read what a person is saying.

[Providence Peep]

Kane is running on fake diesel power